Stormix Bankruptcy 102
An Anonymous Coward writes: "So has the news that Stormix has filed for bankruptcy been covered? I was surprised to get a form letter in the mail today from Deloitte & Touche saying they filed for bankruptcy on Jan. 17. And they owe me $20." The Stormix users mailing list has some information, and Newsforge has a summary. I'm typing this on a Stormix system right now, so I hope someone picks it up and maintains the distro.
Hard Facts Please? (Score:2)
Now, I'm not saying that Storm is going into the crapper; I'm just saying that as of yet, all I've seen is two copies of the same letter typed in by some yabo on the internet (I'm sure there is a good chance you are legit, so don't bother flaming. But until I see a scan with the DeLoitte and Touche stationary, I'll keep holding my breath.)
Re:Oooh... BIG surprise! (Score:2)
Stormix did a lot for Debian. They created a *nice* installer, put some good setup and administration tools with it. Wrote the *best* manual I have ever seen come with a Linux distribution, and provided excellent commercial support.
I ran stormix for quite a bit, and it was definatly one of the better distros out there.
Re:Too Late - for what? (Score:1)
Re:Stormix is a parasite (Score:1)
Darwinism at Work (Score:2)
This is what it's all about really - Darwinism and survival of the fittest. If Stormix had totally kicked ass to the point that everyone took notice and lots of began actually using it, it would still be around. Common sense. Some distros are bound to go the way of the toilet while others flourish.
Thank god for what we do have - a plethera (sp?) of distributions left to choose from. Unfortunately the same rule is working against the open source community in the kingdom of the web browser. I personally believe that is our biggest hurdle to overcome, not faltering distros of Linux. Redhat, Debian, Slackware and Mandrake aren't going down anytime soon. AFAIK.
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:1)
-MunKy_v2 [dialug.org]
StormPKG (Score:2)
It would be nice if some people picked up the other storm parts and became maintainers from them in Debian....are their any other nifty storm software other than stormpkg, SAS and the installer (which I wouldn't think Debian would want as they are working on their own)
Re:Debdrake (Score:2)
Thanks
Bruce
Re:I like the Debian philosophy...but.... (Score:1)
Re:Oooh... BIG surprise! (Score:1)
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:1)
It fails to make any sense. Let's just have Linux 12/2000 (2.4), Windows 8/2001 (2000 SP4, probably), and be done with it.
They had interesting hardware... (Score:1)
Stormix??? (Score:1)
I'm on the MaxLinux network and recently noticed that Stormix stopped running ads with them -- it should have been pretty obvious to me.
Also, I was contacted by the parent company of Stormix, a company that does web hosting and domain registration -- so I wasn't aware that Stormix was its own entity.
Very gloom year so far for the Debian distros.
I liked stormix :( (Score:2)
Re:Sorry to hear, but the Software will Go On! (Score:1)
What would be even more compelling though would be an uderlying, Beowolf style, aggregation of computational load across the NOW structure. Wishful thinking I guess . . . but you gotta admit it will be coooooool.
Smells like Cheese! I'm getting outta here!
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Stormix down, but not out - read the fine print (Score:2)
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Remove the rocks to send email
You're wrong on the KDE part. (Score:2)
How Ironic (Score:1)
I believe in the pureness of the fact that the only distributions to "survive and thrive" will be the ones that saw 1's and 0's in the early days -- rather than $$ dollar $$ signs of late.
Long live Debian & Slackware...Oh yea -- and long live REAL rock & roll...
Direction (Score:2)
Thanks
Bruce
Re:Sorry to hear, but the Software will Go On! (Score:1)
Re:This is good news ... maybe. (Score:2)
However, I have to defend the quality of Stormix, and disagree that it's a 2nd-tier vendor in quality. (In market success is another matter -- guess it sounds like they're having at least some serious trouble right now ... fmaxwell is completely correct in noting that a *combination* of factors is really what matters) Stormix (along with Mandrake) is one of the easiest distros to install, gets X working quickly, has intelligent disk tools, and seems to have an overall *clean* approach -- not as software heavy as SuSE or many others, it's true, but the result is a nice, useable system.
A common view seems to be that Storm's financial failure came in spite of its technical excellence, but I would suggest that it actually came because of it.
Let me explain: Stormix was basically Debian plus a newbie-friendly installation and some GUI configuration front-ends. In my opinion, this was a great idea for a project...but maybe not for a company.
You start with Debian, a system that automagically updates and configures itself, and then you make it accessible a broader range of users with pretty GUI tools.
What you end up with is a very happy user with a very nice system who has absolutely no need to ever purchase an upgrade or support.
To make it worse, Storm lacked a target market and the marketing ability to reach that market. RedHat is the server distribution, Mandrake is the newbie/desktop distribution, SuSE is the lots-of-software distribution, Debian is the Free distribution. What is Stormix?
Storm's existence was a big benefit to the larger Linux community. The consolation for us is that their GPL'ed work can continue...hopefully it will quickly make its way back into Debian. The big losers, I suppose, are the excellent technical people who worked at Storm. They certainly didn't deserve this fate. Their contributions are appreciated; best of luck to them.
Bad news? (Score:1)
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:1)
I'm sorry to see Stormix go because it was the one Debian distro that I could recommend to Windows users for switching to Linux. To me, Sotrmix was friendly enough to let people learn Linux on Debian to start with, rather than switching after taking the time to learn the idiosyncracies of other distros.
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:2)
Sad news, great distro, fantastic home-grown apps (Score:2)
Anyway, I've proof-read it now, and am reposting:
REPOST:
This is really sad.
While the original Storm Linux was a little rough, and had many installation issues, their newest version (Rain 2.0.6) is absolutely fantastic.
The installer is very slick, and SAS and StormPkg are great tools! I use them all the time. I installed Stormix and immediately upgraded to Woody without a hitch.
My question is why doesn't the Debian community pick up their great stormpkg apt front-end and run with it? All of their stuff was GPL'd. To be honest, I really can't see the difference between what Stormix was and what Progeny is hoping to be.
As for someone else picking it up and maintaining it, I really hope that Debian takes a close work at the work they did. It was great.
Stormix was what got me on to Debian. Since then I've taken the time to get accustomed to it, and I honestly believe that I'll stick with a Debian based distro forever.
This is very sad. They had a very good product. I wish the people well in their future endeavours.
Nice T-shirt!
Ben
END REPOST
Now, a question: I'm thinking that it might be interesting to try to grab their distro and make a new one out of it, similar in concept to Corel's in that it only uses the best of Linux software be default.
Would anyone out there be interested in working with me on it?
I'm thinking Stormix (So Debian) based with the newest versions of the following apps:
- Linux Kernel
- XFree
- KDE
- Gimp
- XMMS
- Some development tools
- Gnometoaster for CDR creation
- Not much else
We could cover all of the bases with only the best available, and add a few custom tools where needed.
Maybe I'm crazy for suggesting this on Slashdot, but it's just an idea. I'm honestly not looking for a flame here... I'm getting to the end of my degree and am looking forward to what I might do afterwards..
Cheers,
Ben
Re:Life sometimes sucks. (Score:2)
Two-thirds of all small businesses fail within the first three years. So it looks to me that we're seeing exactly what we should be.
Shalon Wood
Comment removed (Score:4)
Re:Too Late (Score:1)
Re:Stormix was not a parasite (Score:4)
Bruce
Ask not for whom the bill tolls. (Score:1)
Re:Sorry to hear, but the Software will Go On! (Score:2)
Now, aren't you glad that Linux isn't Unix? :-)
Thanks
Bruce
Storm Linux (Score:1)
I like the Debian philosophy...but.... (Score:2)
I actually do like the concepts behind Debian, and the fact that it's not as commercial as some of the other releases. Unfortunately, it doesn't measure up to the pure level of usability that other distributions are at. I tried it last week for 2 days and it didn't want to cooperate.
I installed it from a local FTP mirror. The installation went fine and dandy. I would have preferred an ISO image, but I didn't find one on the local FTP mirror. Anyways, that wasn't a major problem and the system was installed within a fairly short time.Everything went fine until I tried to set up the XFree86 system. Then everything seemed to fall over. I have the i810 chipset at work where I was attempting to install the Debian system...the version of XFree86 they had didn't support it. I knew this from dealing with the same problem under Red Hat. But unfortunately, Intel only provides Red Hat specific patches. somehow on their site.
The next step was to change what the Debian folks call the "/etc/apt/sources.list"...so I changed it to unstable and downloaded all of the updated packages, including XFree86 4.0.2 which has support for i810. Unfortauntely half the the deb packages failed to install, so I went into the archives directory manually and installed all of the packages which were showing failed dependencies. That seemed to work and after running apt-get update-dist a few times more, all the packages were sucessfully installed.So I tried the new XFree86 system....but all I got was "Waiting for X11 to accept connections ..............(screen was soon full of dots). Note that this was several hours later. I reinstalled and tried everything again the next day, but I didn't have any luck.
In retrospect, I have had much better luck with Mandrake, Red Hat and SuSE.Cool, I'll have to check out Progeny (Score:1)
Reason for Bankrupcy protection (Score:2)
If you can convince a judge that you might get your act together, you can get bankrupcy protection. That means that you can help off from the creditors and try to make money, then you work out a system to pay them back.
This is in the lenders best interests (you didn't think the laws were to protect commoners). For example, say I am one of 10 creditors for a company that owes $10m, and has $1m on hand. They might have money coming in (could pay back in two years). Protection helps us all.
Why can't we do this independently? There is a hold-up problem. Say that I am owed $5m, and cut a deal to be paid back. Someone owed $250,000 demands payment, and they'd get paid in full, (while I get nothing). A few of those situations, and the $1m on hand could be sucked out, leaving the company unable to make payroll and going under.
Even if there weren't people that could be paid, we'd have a problem. Imagine a company with 2 creditors for $10m. They owe one of them $8m, and one $2m, and they have $1m on hand. The $8m agrees to hold off payments so the company can try to pay in full. The $2m company now decides to collect, forces the company into bankrupcy and takes the $1m (because the big boy agreed to put off payments). This would be a mess. The lesser debtor could blackmail the big debtor into transferring debt, because all they can get is $800,000 from them both filing, or $0 from not filing, and that isn't right.
The courts protect creditors from each other more than protecting those that lost it all.
damn shame (Score:2)
Re:Hard Facts Please? (Score:1)
Real OS vs. collection of stuff (Score:2)
The wonder is that Red Hat Linux/SuSE Linux/etc. continue to be usable. The fact that they have bugs is undeniable and unavoidable, given the fact that they are random grab-bags of Open Source software, rather than being an operating system. If you want an operating system, get FreeBSD. Of course, this does not assure bug-free operation either (FreeBSD has had some rather annoying spontaneous reboot problems as of late, that keep coming and going), but you'll probably be more stable.
I, of course, run Red Hat Linux 7.0 on my personal system. That's because I love playing with a bunch of unstable bleeding edge software, I'm a techie, it's my curse. That does not mean I would implement Red Hat 7.0 on a production system though.
-Eric
Re:hahah! (Score:1)
Have fun using an inferior OS for about the silliest reason I've ever heard.
Re:Darwinism at Work (Score:1)
1. Too much promotional material! I beta tested for these guys and, though it started with just a burned CD, I ended up with a boxed copy of their first shipping product, multiple stickers, a t-shirt (wearing right now actually), and probably other things that I can't recall.
2. Think about it: they marketed their product in Canada! I know Linux supports a plethora of platforms, but the sad truth seems to be that it still hasn't been ported to the pine/tree architecture. I'm sure the four to five Canadian Linux users will rise up in arms against my comment, but seriously, I never saw a single ad for Stormix or noticed the box carried in computer stores. Then again, I live in Kansas - one of the few places technologically inferior to the Great White North. At least CompUSA has a *nix section... not that their employees know what it is.
a dist on a dist on a dist on a. (Score:1)
They should do what everybody else is doing, join their forces. Make it a part of Debian, unless it totally sucks that is(I wouldn't know haven't tried Stormix), when the death is only natural. Kill it if it can't fly.
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Shameless link postin' karma whorin (Score:1)
The thread in question [stormix.com]
Its evolution in action (Score:1)
Personally speaking, this is a sad day, since anything that competes with the Redmond Retards has to be a good thing, but in the grand scheme of things, will we really care in say three months time ?
Re:Not a good month for Debian-based distributions (Score:1)
Was that meant to be a joke?
I tried Mandrake and got pissed at its winblows
"The user is a moron" mode. There are some
moronic setups which are not that simple to
get rid off. If they would document all the
hidden bullshit it would make it usefull.
Take the numlock shit they came out with in
version 5.3. It took a while to figure out
the offending script that was forcing the
numlock on on every login despite the fact that
it was clear in the bios that the goddam numlock
was to be turned off.
Now they have a "smart hardware identification"
on boot. What if I don't want the damm thing
to look for changes in my hardware everytime it
boots? If I'd wanted a crawling boot I would
have installed winblows.
I switched to SuSE with no regret.
I haven't seen anything yet that is as nice
to setup as SuSE 7.0 Professional.
Not a good month for Debian-based distributions (Score:3)
I hope that people don't get the wrong impression about Debian from this. It's really kick-ass; but I'd prefer a little more eye candy. What I'd really like to see is something like a Debian-based Mandrake. That'd be really cool.
It's a damn shame; I used Stormix for a bit, and it showed promise.
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I'll bite. (Score:1)
Mandrake 7.2 and KDE 2 for me? for free?
Maintenance (Score:1)
Yeah, someone will be maintaining it. They're called Debian. :-P
Life sometimes sucks. (Score:3)
wow (Score:1)
i just installed stormix the other day, not bad (i know, 99% debian)...but i was kinda concerned when it wouldn't recognize my sound blaster (doh)
i'm stickin to debian
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Maintain the distro? It's mostly Debian...! (Score:1)
Sorry to hear, but the Software will Go On! (Score:4)
Reviews of the Progeny install have been very good (go to ftp.progeny.com/pub/progeny/ [progeny.com] and download the CD image), and this ease-of-use addition will be a real boost to Debian.
I'm sorry to hear about Stormix, but there's been an ex-Storm person at Progeny for a while, and I hope the other good people from Storm get to move over.
Thanks
Bruce
Stromix Linux (Score:2)
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:1)
PLEASE IGNORE PARENT.. (Score:1)
Ben
Re:Debdrake (Score:1)
Re:This is good news ... maybe. (Score:1)
However, I have to defend the quality of Stormix, and disagree that it's a 2nd-tier vendor in quality. (In market success is another matter -- guess it sounds like they're having at least some serious trouble right now
I hope this is a glitch and not the last word from Stormix. (Time will tell etc)
timothy
Re:Darwinism at Work (Score:1)
DISCLAMER:
This spell check was brought to you by the guy who accidentally wrote home-groen in the title. Take it at face value.
Ben
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Debdrake (Score:1)
Actually, the update-menus tool actually comes from Debian. As someone who used Mandrake for several months before switching to Debian, I find it works much better in Debian.
The reason? While Mandrake has made its packages populate /usr/lib/menu/, the Mandrake user still often finds himself relying on Red Hat packages, and packages maintained by third parties. Thus, instead of having his menus automagically update themselves, he ends up with yet another set of text files to maintain by hand.
Stormix Message Board (Score:2)
You might find this message thread [stormix.com] particularly interesting...
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Re:It's not that freakin hard to make your own dis (Score:2)
Yes I'm sure it's easier to come up with an OS when you start with such a well designed system as Debian espesially because it has the deb/apt package system but I can't see how you whould think that that was a trivial project. And I havn't even gotten to the subject of Support, even if you do throw out your own distribution are you going to support it and fix bugs and solve customers problems with it?
Re:Stormix down, but not out - read the fine print (Score:1)
Here's to reviving debtor's prison! Let's shift more of the burder in loans to the lendee, further skewing the financial balance of powers!
Sarcasm aside, bankruptcy exists for a very good reason. Without it, freedom can be irrevocably linked to financial health. Any creditor enters into a financial agreement with trust, but also with the knowledge that *any* financial investment involves risk.
It's a choice to lend money. And sometimes you lose.
The bankruptcy system is sometimes abused (see home ownership rules in Florida, recently, and default rates on law student loans), but on the whole, I'm glad it exists...
Lack of option (Score:3)
Now, Stormix didn't really have that issue. IMO, the main issue that Stormix had was that you had no option on initial install via the penguin-poo slick GUI to install, say, more advanced programs. You had to find them on the CD afterwards and install them, and there wasn't a large array of programs available via initial install. IMNSHO, they could have simply had the 'extra' programs under a second sub-menu, say, as 'extras', or 'more programs', with a notice that the main programs would not be enough for most people, and then go on to label the 'extra' programs under a category as say, "CD Burning Tools" and install them all in that manner. I'd say that was quite possibly the biggest fallacy of Stormix, as far as usability is concerned.
I was thinking today that, if Stormix realeased, say, Stormix 2001, they would likely base it off Mandrake, but base it off of apt, possibly with their own custom db of packages. (i586, anyone? I certainly notice a huge speed difference with optimized packages.)
If that were to be done - a apt based Mandrake distro with a more sensical installer for beginners (keepin' it technical for us geeks at the same time) I think everyone could be happy. (RedHat wouldn't have much to hold to that - what got them in the lead was their RPM w/ early acceptance of X and such.)
*sigh* Well, I hope Stormix continues to be worked on by someone. If for no other reason, that boot logo was tatz. ;)
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CAIMLAS
Linux Linux Linux... (Score:3)
Some facts:
1) There have been several linux distros over the years, and have had a rise and fall (and rise and fall etc...) in popularity. lsl. mcc. slackware. debian. redhat. Suse. + all the spinoffs/oneoffs...
2) There's more to unix on the x86 than Linux... and more platforms than x86.
Now.. really, instead of all these efforts.. why not put some effort into some actual computing instead of arguing about what's a better distro, or tweaking your desktop for the 1000th time? Do a bit of code. Ever installed FreeBSD before? OpenBSD? NetBSD? Go scam a copy of Solaris x86 and learn what it's all about... I'm not saying any are as 'good' as linux at the things you probably expect them to be.. but...
What I'm saying is.. it seems to me a lot of pro-linux people nowadays are getting to be as bad as any other OS-worship crowd.. they paint themselves into a little corner instead of looking at computing in general. You think it's a big linux world.. but it's not.. there is a lot more out there.
Whither webmin? [was Re:Debdrake] (Score:1)
Well it was there at the end of October last year (I remember installing it :o) -- but then it disappeared off the package list.
Does anyone know what happened to it?
- Derwen
Stormix may not be dead (Score:1)
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This doesn't necessarily mean Stormix is going to immediately shut down; many businesses in both the United States and Canada file bankruptcy as a temporary measure while they get their financial act together or look for a more stable company to buy them.
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So maybe some company (Progeny, whoever buys/bought Corel Linux, some other Debian derivative, etc) may decide to buy Stormix, and get the talent, IP and name... or maybe they just need to refinance -- hmmm, anyone want to put together a Stormix xonsortium? Didn't think so :-)
rr
I'm on nothing.. (Score:2)
I mentioned Sol x86 because I doubted a lot of kids in their basements would have a sparc laying around... and sol x86 is basically free ($20).
Oh. And experience with it might really help them if they ever actually have to use solaris/sparc.
I'd go on a tear about the 'parents basement' thing.. but it's not worth it
If you want to be a Debian-based distribution... (Score:2)
...you have to be at least as good as Debian, or nobody will notice you until the Slashdot headline says you're gone.
Consider Corel a moment. Can you really take a distribution seriously that installs a network-connected machine without a root password? If they can't even get such a basic security feature right, what else didn't they do right?
The last version of Stormix I looked at wasn't very impressive either.  I really only looked at the installer and this was back in October, however the install was very choppy and unnatural.  I actually believe Debian's potato installer is more friendly.
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:1)
Sad news, great distro, fantastic home-groen apps. (Score:3)
While the original Storm Linux was a little rough, and had many installation issues, their newest version (Rain 2.0.6) is absolutely fantastic.
The installer is very slick, and SAS asn StormPkg are great tools! I use them all the time. I installed Stormix and immediately upgraded to Woody without a hitch.
My question is why doesn't the Debian community pick up their great stormpkg apt front-end and run with it? All of their stuff was GPL'd. To be honest, I really can't see the difference between what Stormix was and what Progeny is hoping to be.
As for someone else picking it up and maintaining it, I really hope that Debian takes a close work at the work they did. It was great.
Stormix was what got me on to Debian. Since then I've taken the time to get accustomed to it, and I honestly believe that I'll stick with a Debian based distro forever.
This is very sad. They had a very good product. I wish the people well in their future endeavours.
Nice T-shirt!
Ben
Re:Whither webmin? [was Re:Debdrake] (Score:1)
Re:I like the Debian philosophy...but.... (Score:1)
It's not that freakin hard to make your own distro (Score:1)
Re:Stromix Linux (Score:1)
We need to start a fund (Score:2)
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I'm a karma whore, mod me up damn you!
Progeny (Score:1)
Re:Stromix Linux (Score:1)
Here's the story [newsforge.com] they did about LinuxOne a little while ago.
been there done that... (Score:1)
Thank god I am not there!
Re:Sad news, great distro, fantastic home-groen ap (Score:2)
Weird thing is that I really wanted to work for them (I live in Vancouver), but never got around to sending a resume...guess it was for the best.
this is not written in stone (Score:2)
but it was all kde, and i could not seem to get it properly gnomeified...so i switched to debian.
some of the stuff was broken...but they sure had a great support list.
BTW, I think they are still seeking an infiusion of cash, and are close to breaking even, so I don't think I'd write them off just yet.
Maybe we should slashdot the stores and rescue them? Just kidding.
Re: LinuxOne (Score:1)
Stormix will be missed (Score:1)
The problem with Stormix? Progeny. It'll be increasingly difficult to be a Debian-based commercial distro with Progeny and Ian Murdock and a good bunch of Debian core developers around. It's sad to say, but Progeny will be the only and one Debian-based commercial distro.
And now we came to another point: for a long time, newcomers to the distro market made it RedHat-based; when it was exhausted people started to think that will be appearing Debian-based, but this January party has been over.
Now capitalism started to say, "the fittest will survive". That's life in the capitalist lane.
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:1)
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:1)
Too bad... (Score:4)
Re:Oooh... BIG surprise! (Score:1)
Re:Direction (Score:2)
That's a nice theory, but I've just recently read about how it takes something like 16 months just to become an official debian contributor.
That's a longe time.
The other thing is that no matter how noble Debian's goals are, the community as a whole isn't overly focused on the end-user experience.
I love Debian, but I've read too many arguments on how it should remain techincally difficult to install just to keep the barrier of entry high enough to ensure the "assume smart user" mentality og Debian.
You know what, that's cool. If that's how Debian wants to run I support it 100%. I think that Debian's goal IS servers and experienced users. That leaves a place for the Progeny's, Corel's and Stormix.
Cheers,
Ben
(A happy Debian GNU/Linux user for my PC and Alpha..)
Re: (Score:2)
Wait a minute! That's old data! (Score:2)
Thanks
Bruce
Re:Wait a minute! That's old data! (Score:2)
Now you are annoying me. (Score:1)
What you have to realize is that I have installed and used several operating systems over the last few years, including several flavours of Linux, Solaris/SPARC, Solaris/Intel, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Windows NT 4, Windows 2000 and Real/32. I have NEVER had as many problems as I had with Debian the 2 days that I tried it than with any other operating system.
This has now been compounded by the fact that I have had a rude Debian user (you) attempting to belittle me. However, this does not disturb me in the least. I have been a professional programmer for the last 2 years.Re:Now you are annoying me. (Score:1)
Don't let him torque you off. Debian is very user unfriendly in my experience also. I am from the BSD world, where even text installs JUST WORK. I found that the Distro that they are talking about in this article, Storm, was quite good. It had polish, and ease of use and configuration. It did most things correctly.
If you want the good of debian, ie: massive variety, idealogical purity, etc, but the good of mandrake: ease of install, eye candy, just works. You need to try one of the deb based distros, and Storm was the best.
I find that deb based distros handle dependencies more gracefully than rpms. You do have to get that apt-get list updated right though, and avoid unstable. They are REALLY unstable usually.
Don't let the zealots get you down. They just don't know how to express their enthusiasm politely. Probably been working tech support with very stupid users for too long, and are in "talk down to the idiot" mode permanently.
Cuchullain
Good Heavens! don't use unstable! (Score:2)
There is no guarantee, nor even a tendency, for packages in unstable to get along, or stay in synch. They really mean "unstable"
With weekly updates, I found that an unstable machine becomes completely unusable about twice a year, requiring a day or two to get back up.
The solution is to use "testing," which is lagged two weeks from unstable so that the bombs can be removed . . .
Too Late (Score:1)
Re:Now you are annoying me. (Score:1)
Being a "professional programmer" does not add (nor eliminates) you any credibility -- I am *not* a programmer at all, but had never a single problem installing *any* operating system that I was interested in exploring (with an exception of OS/2 Warp).
I am very sorry that you had such problems with Debian. At the same time I am having a problem understanding how (with all the experience that you are citing) it could possibly happen to a degree of pissing you of so much?..
If you wan to continue this discussion off-thread, feel free to reach me via my [unprofessional, never finished] website.
Re:Its evolution in action (Score:1)
Something else: (Score:1)
Debdrake (Score:2)
Plus there are other niceties in Mandrake, such as a utility for importing your Windows TTF fonts, the menu utility that keeps the app menu across desktop managers consistent, and I guess what would end up renamed as Debdrake Update.
Just some ideas for anyone up to the challenge.
Digital Wokan
I wanted to spend 8 years defending the US constitution.
Re:Darwinism at Work (Score:1)