Debian 2.2 Potato Is Stable 198
batsman was among the countless folks to announce that Potato is now Stable... i.e., Debian 2.2 has been released. The ISO is available, but I'm not linking (not because I'm an elitist (although I am) but to at least try to let the mirrors do their thing). No official word outside of mailing lists, but the 'stable' directory is now Potato. Congrats to all the ever slaving Debian developers... time to dist-upgrade those boxes that aren't already running woody! It's official now since the release is on Debian's site *grin*
No please! (Score:3)
*Not* linking? (Score:2)
Either Taco's growing a conscience, or he's just tired of "why are you linking before the mirrors go up??????????" posts.
Debian Team Bravo (Score:1)
I know what's going on.... (Score:4)
Long wait (Score:1)
Still, it explains why my apt-get failed earlier this afternoon...
Potato? (Score:1)
at last! (Score:3)
:)
Re:Potato? (Score:3)
Look for it in the next stable release, or maybe netBSD will support it.
I really like debian's release system. (Score:5)
Great news... (Score:2)
He's been wearing the debian "what your mother would use if it was 20 times easier" t-shirt for a while, and has always used the upcoming release of 2.2 as an excuse for why *he* isn't using it.
I can just guess... "But the 2.4 kernel is going to be out soon, I can't install a debian while I'm waiting for that!"
Impressive... (Score:1)
However I would also like to give a congrats to the Debian People. I think it's time to take out the third partition of Red Hat and try some Debian (Slackware and Caldera are the others).
Re:Potato? (Score:2)
Re:First to link! (Score:2)
VPs of Old (Score:1)
Shouldn't that be with an 'e': potatoe .
Ok. That was bad but . . .
Re:at last! (Score:2)
Potato install guide (Score:5)
For those who are new to this, please start by reading the potato install guide [debian.org]. I seriously doubt that pre-burned CDs are available yet, but network installations should be possible.
The main web page (www.debian.org [debian.org]) still isn't updated, but we can't have everything, can we? ;-)
Re:Great news... (Score:2)
Re:Debian Team Bravo (Score:3)
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Re:I really like debian's release system. (Score:1)
I switched to another distribution of Linux. So as to avoid flames, I won't mention its name. This non-Debian Linux distribution works so smoothly that I will never go back to Debian. Never. Not ever.
Believe me, I wanted to like Debian. I convinced myself that I liked Debian. I mean c'mon, it's PC to like Debian. But when I look back, I see that I wasted a lot of time when I could have been running something which provided fewer headaches, and fewer problems.
One reason *not* to link ... (Score:3)
Re:at last! (Score:1)
Re:Potato install guide (Score:1)
Re:I hope... (Score:2)
And you plan to run just the kernel then, no GNU OS?
hippie crap. Linux is hippie crap. Microsofts last FUD campaign, I can see it now...
"Dont use that hippie crap, use Win2k, we have short hair!"
apt? (Score:3)
Uh Rob, it's 'apt-get dist-upgrade' . For those of you wondering what I'm nitpicking about, from man apt-get:
dist-upgrade
P.S. I love Debian, and I'm running it at home. Hmmm... last time I checked Potato was using Linux 2.2.17preX - is there a reason why the Debian developers felt it was necessary to release 2.2 now, even though it has an 'unstable' kernel. Are there some 'issues' with 2.2.16 that I should know about (of course, I run 2.4.0test on most of my home boxen, but I'm just wondering).
Re:Where do I get my CD image? (Score:3)
The box you link to is a P166, which is currently running at a load average of around 10 just dealing with the rsyncs from the mirrors.
Please moderate this moron to the nether reaches of hell --- Thank you.
Re:*Not* linking? (Score:1)
Not entirely true (Score:2)
Arguably the only valid testing is to get it out there and wait for problems to appear. They will anyway, regardless of how long Debian has taken.
On the other hand, the slow release cycle is slowly stripping debian marketshare to the tpoint where none of this will matter. I can't see debian being relevant in two years at this pace.
useful links (Score:5)
The (mirrored) official announcement from Martin Schulze: http://www.ids.org.au/ian/potato- announcement.txt [ids.org.au].
Remeber, irc.debian.org (open projects) #debian, and #mashpotato for support.
And remember, before asking anything, '/msg apt install guide' !
Also, mark_, netsnipe, and raja have worked hard to bring you MashPotato (The Mobile Array of Support Helpers for Potato ), visit the website: http://www.linuxgiant.com/debian/ [linuxgiant.com]
Enjoy!
Re:I really like debian's release system. (Score:5)
unlike dselect, apt doesn't fool with all the suggested packages and just gets the ones you need
Re:Where do I get my CD image? (Score:1)
The mirrors are still getting it (Score:2)
"Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 ("Potato") has been released. CD images are becoming available on our mirrors at this moment."
Mark Duell
Re:Where do I get my CD image? (Score:1)
The end of the test cycles! (Score:1)
I'm also glad to see the old stable distro (slink) slide off the stack.
j
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What are the ramifications... (Score:1)
Re:One reason *not* to link ... (Score:5)
Re:Potato install guide (Score:1)
Re:I really like debian's release system. (Score:2)
I feel your pain. I hate dselect, too.
Know what? You don't have to use it. As of Debian 2.1, there's a new package management tool called apt-get. (Eventually there will be a front-end called apt or something, but it's not ready yet.) While apt-get doesn't do everything that dselect does, it's a whole lot less painful.
For example, to check for new packages and then upgrade all your existing packages, you can use the following commands:
apt-get updateapt-get upgrade
Re:Not entirely true (Score:3)
Arguably the only valid testing is to get it out there and wait for problems to appear.
But the simple fact that the unstable (and the beta "frozen") distribution is available to anyone at all times takes advantage of this. Debian's unstable (ie., the cutting-edge branch) is being tested on an innumerable number of machines constantly.
The stable distribution is testing to almost ludicrous stability; home users and other non-"mission critical" users are fully able to run the latest bleeding edge. At work, we run potato exclusively (once it got far enough into the frozen stage). We can't have anything break, and a working system is more important than the latest toys. Toys are more important at home, so i run Woody :)
potato (Score:2)
First, the installer doesn't just dumps you in dselect anymore. You get a list of tasks to install. There's also a nice config app for XFree that works very well (although I don't know why most distros dont use XF86Setup).
Of course, I'm a fairly lazy person, so I simply downloaded the first iso, burned it, made a base install, and dist-upgraded with most tasks to woody. (Most stores don't carry non-stable Debian CDs)
This rocks, because I was at work, so I needed to install quickly. The full install, including the download of all up to date woody packages on a cable-modem took me about an hour. This is basically due to the fact that I'm not used to re-installing and I didn't do so since about 8 months. (and I have a cheapo PnP ISA SoundBlaster 16 (don't ask..))
Anyways, to get back on what I meant to say: Everyone that thinks Linux sucks will love this Debian release, "apt" rocks.
Now, let's go get drunk and spread the good news
Re:What are the ramifications... (Score:2)
Thank you.
Re:No please! (Score:2)
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Re:No please! (Score:2)
Hey, at least it's probably not a lemon.
Re: at last! (Score:2)
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Will Corel Linux 2.0 be Potato Based? (Score:1)
Also, how will the 2.4 kernel affect CLOS & potato when it comes out later this Autumn?
Re:Not entirely true (Score:1)
If Sun has their way, now that they're releasing Solaris for 'free', in two years no Linux distros will matter.
CDs in Australia.... (Score:1)
I just checked out Linux System Labs [lsl.com.au] and EverythingLinux [everythinglinux.com.au] for the CDs (they both contribute to debian and are listed as such on the debian web site). Amazingly, LSL has Potato CDR's, and they don't seem to be 'beta' versions either. Someone must at LSL must be on the debian-announce mailing list :)
Here - Debian 2.2 (Official final release) CDs from LSL [lsl.com.au]
Re:Not entirely true (Score:1)
I'm _extreamly_ new to linux/unix, but I'm begining to play with Debian because of there comepletely free ideals... sure, maybe I'll get burned in the end and go with something like Mandrake, but I'm sure there are those more experienced then I who will perfer Debian for the very reasons it intrests me now.
Wiwi
"I trust in my abilities,
Debian is in it's own little world (Score:1)
Now that's bad enough, but on top of that, the Debian system makes hell on users who try to install other software. If you happened to download a
Add partitioning, (Score:1)
ePotato? (Score:2)
Wow! (Score:1)
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Debian's naming scheme (Score:3)
Re:Debian is in it's own little world (Score:2)
For someone who changes Linux distributions (Score:1)
Keep in mind, while I've been working with computers for 15 years (began programming TI-99/4A basic when I was 6 :) ), Linux is relatively new to me. I'm teaching myself all the Unix commands as I go along, and I've been playing around with it for a year or two.
I've heard good things about Debian, but the install freaks me out (same reason I don't want to try FreeBSD). Apparently the new stable release is a little easier on the install. What's the default, KDE or Gnome? Should I stick with Caldera OpenLinux (it seems to do the job for me, all I do is browse the internet and program C++ on it), or is there something more Debian can offer?
Re:I really like debian's release system. (Score:1)
Re:Ahh Excellent (Score:1)
Re:Will Corel Linux 2.0 be Potato Based? (Score:1)
I guess in any way.I was running 2.4pre1 through pre4 with potato with no problems.
I don't see how it will affect Corel too much unless they still use that monster
kde-corel which makes it pretty impossible to upgrade too much.That's why I dumped
Corel.Maybe you should wait and see or even better switch now?:-)
Re:Debian is in it's own little world (Score:1)
Just put these two lines in
deb http://www.uk.debian.org/debian woody main non-US/main
deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/d
and you get the latest (albeit, so called unstable) "woody" distribution, with the addition of Gnome from HelixCode.
Admittedly, it's about as unstable as most other distro's are when they're released, but if you can put up with that, it's what you were looking for.
WRONG, read the docs before you talk. (Score:3)
So like I said, read the docs before you criticize. Just because you don't know how to do something, does not mean Debian does not let you do it.
Re:apt? (Score:1)
Say, I have a system without X, won't dist-upgrade install X too?
Ultimate sources.list for Debian - 6000 packages (Score:2)
Enjoy!
# Last edited 8/14/00 CM
#
# ULTIMATE SOURCE.LIST
# Maintained by Craig McPherson
# Contributors:
#
# Benjamin Patrick Mohan
# Philip (FireEgl)
# Anyone I'm forgetting (please let me know)
# This is meant to be used with systems running the unstable version
# of Debian. It fetches stable package lists also for purposes of
# completeness (some packages I like were removed from slink), and
# because there's no harm in it. This list also will fetch package
# lists from the project/experimental branch. These are new packages
# that haven't yet been accepted into even the unstable release.
# These packages are usually marked as experimental in the package
# description itself, and I must warn you that these packages are often
# VERY experimental. There's some GREAT stuff in project/experimental,
# and there's stuff that will crash the moment it's installed. I've
# never encountered anything that actually hurt the system, so don't
# be afraid to give them a try. That's part of the fun of it. Final
# note is that there is some redundancy in this list. This is because
# I don't like having to edit the file whenever a server is down, which
# seems to happen a lot with some servers -- important stuff is always
# fetched from two locations, in case one is down. This will make an
# apt-get update take a few minutes longer on a modem connection, so
# comment-out whatever you want.
# To put this file to good use, copy it (or the parts of it you want)
# to your
# apt-get update, or select the "update" option in dselect.
# This is just a jumping-off point. This is just what works for me. For
# people with cable modems and other fast connections, it would be
# advantageous to check the Debian mirrors list and replace some of the
# servers below with servers that you can get a high data transfer rate
# from. The first two servers below were chosen for their good ping time
# from my location, not for actual data transfer rate -- I didn't want
# to spend all day downloading from 50 servers to see which were fastest,
# so I just selected the first two based on ping time. The others servers
# on the list are unique in some way. Final note, I don't know what would
# happen if you used this file with Corel or Storm Linux, because I haven't
# used them yet. Check their documentation for the consequences and caveats
# of using normal Debian archives with those distros, and let me know while
# I'm at it, I'm curious about how it works.
# FYI: You will note $(ARCH) in some of the entries below. APT will
# substitute your system architecture (i386 for Intel users) whereever
# $(ARCH) appears. This allows access cross-platform with the same
# sources file. See the sources.list manpage for more info.
# PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS, we can
# work together to create the ULTIMATE sources.list.
# umich.edu - main US mirror I use, very fast connection
deb ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/debian/ dists/proposed-updates/
deb ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/debian/ project/experimental/
deb-src ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/debian/ dists/proposed-updates/
deb-src ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/debian/ project/experimental/
# ca.debian.org - main non-US mirror, emergency main mirror
# Uncomment the commented-out lines below if the United States blows up
# but you still need to update your Debian system.
deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/contrib/binary-$(ARCH)/
deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/non-free/binary-$(ARCH)/
deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/main/binary-$(ARCH)/
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/contrib/binary-all/
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/non-free/binary-all/
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/main/binary-all/
deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/contrib/binary-$(ARCH)/
deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/non-free/binary-$(ARCH)/
deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-$(ARCH)/
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/contrib/binary-all/
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/non-free/binary-all/
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-all/
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ dists/proposed-updates/
#deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ project/experimental/
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/contrib/sources/
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/main/sources/
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/contrib/sources/
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/main/sources/
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/contrib/sources/
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/main/sources/
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ dists/proposed-updates/
#deb-src ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ project/experimental/
# Netgod: New X stuff. It's cool.
deb ftp://ftp.netgod.net/ x/
# TDYC: KDE and Stuff
# Note: the kde2 branch contains heavily developmental stuff. It
# was pretty rough last time I checked, but that was a long time
# ago, so use your own judgement in trying it.
deb ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde/debian stable contrib kde rkrusty
deb ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde/debian unstable contrib kde
deb ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde/debian unstable kde2
deb-src ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde/debian stable contrib kde rkrusty
deb-src ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde/debian unstable contrib kde
deb-src ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde/debian unstable kde2
# Main Debian archive and main security/non-US site
# Pandora is the same server as security.debian.org and non-us.debian.org
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian dists/proposed-updates/
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian project/experimental/
deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-security/ stable updates
#deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-security/ unstable updates
deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/contrib/binary-$(ARCH)/
deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/main/binary-$(ARCH)/
deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/non-free/binary-$(ARCH)/
#deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/contrib/binary-all/
#deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/main/binary-all/
#deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/non-free/binary-all/
deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/contrib/binary-$(ARCH)/
deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-$(ARCH)/
deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/non-free/binary-$(ARCH)/
#deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/contrib/binary-all/
#deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-all/
#deb ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/non-free/binary-all/
deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian dists/proposed-updates/
deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian project/experimental/
deb-src ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-security/ stable updates
#deb-src ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-security/ unstable updates
#deb-src ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/contrib/sources/
#deb-src ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/stable/non-US/main/sources/
#deb-src ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/contrib/sources/
#deb-src ftp://pandora.debian.org/debian-non-US/ dists/unstable/non-US/main/sources/
# Yet another backup mirror -- just in case
# This one is down at the moment, but usually pretty fast
#deb ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian stable main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian/dists proposed-updates/
#deb ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian unstable main contrib non-free
#deb ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian project/experimental/
#deb-src ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian stable main contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian/dists proposed-updates/
#deb-src ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian unstable main contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian project/experimental/
# TDYC mirror - KDE and other stuff
# You might need this... TDYC is often overloaded.
# Now, the mirror itself seems to be down... I'll investigate.
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-kde.tdyc.c
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
deb-src ftp://ftp.uni-marburg.de/mirror/debian-snowcrash.
# Enlightenment
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads enlightenment/
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads enlightenment-cvs/
# GNOME
#These first two entries are commented out because they're currently
#dead. I'll put them back in if I find that they've been moved
#elsewhere
#deb ftp://gnomeftp.wgn.net/gnome-1.0/debian slink main
#deb ftp://gnomeftp.wgn.net/gnome-1.0/debian unstable main
deb http://www.debian.org/~jim/debian-gtk-gnome/gnome
deb http://www.debian.org/~jim/debian-gtk-gnome/gnome
#deb http://www.debian.org/~jules/gnome-stage-2 unstable main
# Gabber (and other stuff, haven't fully investigated)
deb http://eliot.landrum.cx/packages frozen main
deb http://eliot.landrum.cx/packages unstable main
# Helix-Gnome stuff:
deb http://SpiderMonkey.HelixCode.Com/distributions/d
# Sawfish (was Sawmill) stuff:
deb http://WWW.RCPT.To/ pending main
deb-src http://WWW.RCPT.To/ pending main
deb http://WWW.RCPT.To/ non-patent main
deb-src http://WWW.RCPT.To/ non-patent main
# Official KDE:
deb ftp://FTP.US.KDE.Org/pub/kde/stable/latest/distri
# Other Enlightenment related CVS':
deb http://WWW.Debian.Org/~ljlane/downloads/ efm-cvs/
deb http://WWW.Debian.Org/~ljlane/downloads/ eterm-cvs/
deb http://WWW.Debian.Org/~ljlane/downloads/ epplets-cvs/
deb http://WWW.Debian.Org/~ljlane/downloads/ feh-cvs/
deb http://WWW.Debian.Org/~ljlane/downloads/ imlib2-cvs/
deb http://WWW.Debian.Org/~ljlane/downloads/ imlib-cvs/
deb http://WWW.Debian.Org/~ljlane/downloads/ econfig-cvs/
#deb http://WWW.Debian.Org/~ljlane/downloads/ ee2.cvs/
# PingOO - A French, Debian based Linux dist. (www.PingOO.Org)
deb ftp://FTP.PingOO.Org/debian stable main contrib xfree-update
#The next two entries are commented out because trying to install Storm
#or Corel packages on a straight Debian system often results in weird
#dependency issues. Comment out the appropriate entry if you're using
#Storm or Corel, otherwise use them at your own risk.
#Storm Linux
deb ftp://ftp.stormix.com/storm rain main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.stormix.com/storm hail main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.stormix.com/storm rain main contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.stormix.com/storm hail main contrib
#Corel Linux
deb ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/CorelLinux corellinux-1.0 main contrib
deb ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/CorelLinux corellinux-1.0 non-free corel
#deb-src ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/source/corellinux-1
#deb-src ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/source/corellinux-1
#deb-src ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/source/corellinux-1
#deb-src ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/source/corellinux-1
#deb-src ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/source/corellinux-1
#deb-src ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/linux/source/corellinux-1
#END
#Craig McPherson - craig@bsu.dynhost.com
The LAST Potato(e) Joke! (Score:1)
"The potato goes in the front!"
Now can we please make it stop!?!?!?!
;) -tkk
Re:apt? (Score:1)
No, dist-upgrade will only upgrade packages you already have installed in your machine. If you need/want any new ones, just apt-get install .
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Re:For someone who changes Linux distributions (Score:1)
Maybe not RedHat easy but if you have 15 years of computer experience it should be a walk in the park... give it a try www.freebsd.org
-Chong
Re:Not entirely true (Score:1)
Or, to put it another way, you can't really guarantee a 1 year uptime until you've actually run a few servers for a year without them going down. You never know if there's going to be a subtle, slow acting bug of some kind that happens to kill systems after 6 months until you test those systems for that kind of time scale.
Debian for everyone! - Download on gnutella (Score:2)
Of course, it's shared from a box running potato. :-)
Have fun, all!
--Kai
--slashsuckATvegaDOTfurDOTcom
Re:WRONG, read the docs before you talk. (Score:2)
Maybe dpkg has an option to do that; I wouldn't know since it wouldn't install on my RH system.
Re:*Not* linking? (Score:1)
Re:WRONG, read the docs before you talk. (Score:2)
You set equivs up and tells the system that there is local software installed that provides qt, or x or whatever you need.
I use if on my local install of X until branden gets X stable. This way, i don't have to fool with putting packages on hold.
Excellent. When will woody freeze? (Score:4)
What I'm wondering now is when we can expect to see woody freeze. I apologize for not following the debian-devel list and picking up the debate on my own-- I'd feel like a creep lurking on the devel list for a project that I don't have time to commit to (Some day, debian, I will give back to you, but now is not the time... ).
My suggestion would be to commit to a freeze as soon as the 2.4 kernel is released. My simple-minded resoning is that Xfree 4.0 plus the new kernel should be sufficient reason to push a new stable release out the door.
I suspect that the issue has been discussed in much greater detail on the devel mailing list, and that there are many different schools of thought on the matter. I guess I fall into a hypothetical "updates to >n major packages warrant a new release" school of thought. I hold this view mostly due to frustration-- e.g., I was really upset when I learned that I could not build php out of CVS due to outdated gnu tools in slink.
But enough of my rambling. What we really need here is an update from someone intimate with the devel list. If there is consensus on when woody ought to freeze, what is it? If the matter is still being debated, what are the various viewpoints?
p.s. to debian weekly news: This is the sort of thing we would love to see covered, but I know Joey is spread pretty thin to begin with (perhaps because he's both very productive and quite tactful, to boot? ). Commentary from someone not intimate with the project might be welcome, as an addition to dwn, just as it might be unwelcome as an addition to the devel list.
p.p.s. to (lwn | dwn | linuxworld | linuxtoday) : If you're willing to remburse someone, modestly, to lurk and cover debian-devel, put a notice up on your site (or better yet, just drop me a line
MashPotato (Score:3)
This is Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau from the MashPotato/B> Project [debian.net],currently being hosted at LinuxGiant until Raja is well enough to move it over to SourceForge, who is hosting our project. Thanks semis for getting the post in early. Most of the crew are volunteers from the official #debian IRC channel at irc.debian.org. MashPotato's aim is to provide all users of Debian with comprehensive live IRC support and an ongoing website. Over the upcoming months, the MashPotato site will be loaded with the latest tips, guides and Debian news, but currently our priority is to help out new and old Debian GNU/Linux users getting a hang of Potato and Woody as well.
Here's an excerpt from a post that was made on the Debian-user mailing list:
So if you've got any troubles whatsoever with Debian GNU/Linux, Potato or Woody, then hop into #debian or #mashpotato hosted on any IRC server that's part of the OpenProject IRC Network> and we'll be glad to help you. [openprojects.net]
MashPotato - Mobile Array of Support Helpers for Potato
Re:Excellent. When will woody freeze? (Score:4)
Anyway, we've discussed it less than you would expect so far. Common views include:
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Linux Humor... (Score:2)
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FreeBSD is easy to install. (Score:2)
I certainly would say it's as easy to install as pre 6.x Redhat.
Anyways, don't be intimidated by FreeBSD, hell it's only time. Take an hour or two and give it a shot.
Once it's going, good God, the ports and packages are GREAT. Installing new software through one of these two methods works very well.
Re:Who needs ISO? (Score:2)
mount -o loop
This is great for ftp installs.... It doesnt work with NFS though.
Use the mirrors. PSU's was incredibly fast. (Score:4)
- A.P.
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Re:I really like debian's release system. (Score:2)
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infrequent releases are a problem (Score:2)
But with the infrequent releases, Debian just became too outdated for me. Because I have some machines that don't have an Internet connection or only have a slow Internet connection, the latest official release on CD is sometimes the only thing I can install. I haven't found any "Debian packages up to last month" kind of CD distributions (if you know of any, please let me know).
Also, lack of interim version numbers means that Debian can be hard to use in an environment with many users who handle their own installations, yet want to share software: if you want to tell other people to bring up their machines to a known level to run some software, what are you going to tell them? If operating system releases are infrequent, the last numbered release is often too out of date.
I hope Debian will be able to stamp version numbers on interim releases, maybe every other month. This shouldn't involve any significant extra work, just a declaration "these packages are Debian 2.1.7". CD-ROM vendors can then burn those versions into CDs and ship them out, and everybody has a reference point. From my point of view, those interim releases don't have to be extensively tested: if there is some real problem with some release (which is probably rare), that will become widely known and people will avoid it.
Am I missing something? (Score:5)
-Personal rant ON- /. story about his death and all the comments on it. Everyone sympathized yet no one is able to remeber the posting for even 1 month? Do a search on 'Espy' on this page and it turns out to nothing. Thats a strange way of showing that you sympathized with the going ons IMVHO.
This makes me kinda sick. Even though I don't know Espy, never chatted with 'm and heard from him when he passed away, I really have a strange feeling after reading the
-Personal rant OFF-
Time to buy some floppies. (Score:2)
Unfortunatly no-one in town seems to sell blank floppies any more! Even the local supermarket sells CD-Rs, but I don't have a CD-R drive or a fast network connection.
FreeBSD - give it a try at least (Score:2)
Give it a few tries, or do as I do, install a minimum system, and then add things whenever you feel a need for them.
Distributions that by default install zillions of stuff are worthless since you only get more confused, especially if you're new to the system.
I think you should give FreeBSD a try, it's well worth the time, even if you decide to stick with Red Hat.
Regards, Tommy - FreeBSD enthusiast
Re:I really like debian's release system. (Score:2)
I don't know why everyone says that. dselect was the thing I liked most about Debian. I kept thinking about porting it to sit on top of RPM instead of dpkg for my RH systems, but never got round to it...
Re:Solaris bites with kimodo dragon teeth! (Score:3)
Re:I really like debian's release system. (Score:2)
The complaint isn't a bitch, but the process is. You go on to talk about the long testing periods, but the best testing period is when it's released and out in the field. If I want to stay behind the curve with say, RedHat, I can go to RedHat's site and pick up patches against RedHat releases that are just as old as anything Debian puts out.
Your comment about long testing also runs counter to the claims of many in the Open Source community that when a problem comes up (such as a bug in the Linux kernel), it can be fixed rather quickly. Why should I sit behind the curve waiting for "stability" when I can get good stability, performance, and features on the curve with just about every other distribution that isn't Debian based? Damon Runyan's oft quoted "the race may not go to the strong and swift, but that's the way to bet your money" applies to Linux as to everything else in software; I'd rather bet my money on anything but Debian.
Re:Solaris bites with kimodo dragon teeth! (Score:2)
Hmmm... does Linux support hot-swappable system boards? Does it scale well up to 64 processors? No and no. Comparing Solaris and Linux is a futile pastime. They came from different roots, and are meant for different jobs. Perhaps Solaris is a little slow on x86 machines, but Linux has the advantage that it has been developed specifcally on this architecturefor years. Most of Solaris's devlopment is geared toward running on high-end Sparc's, not lowly x86's.
Which is why Solaris will continue to be used on the high end for a very long time. However, this does not change the fact that for most people Linux is faster.
This is not a slam on Solaris. Solaris has been tuned for hardware an order of magnitude more powerful than the one to four processor boxes where Linux shines.
When the put a 64 processor Sparc on my desk maybe then I will start to worry about how well Linux runs on it. In the meantime Linux will probably be my desktop and development system of choice :).
Re:I hope... (Score:2)
If you removed all the GNU software from your box, it would be *useless*
Re:CDs in Australia.... (Score:2)
Re:A rant (Score:2)
You can install the necessary debs by hand. Check out man dpkg if you aren't sure how this works. Or you could do what I do and simply change the line in /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable long enough to:
apt-get install php4
This will get php4, and whatever other packages are necessary, and then you can switch back to stable.
Either way there is no sense building the packages by hand.
Re:Will Corel Linux 2.0 be Potato Based? (Score:2)
now that potato is out (Score:2)
Re:HURD rocks! (Score:2)
Unstable stability? (Score:2)
system yet." However, I've heard people say that Debian's unstable is more stable than other dists main release...
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So does this mean... (Score:2)
Re:HURD rocks! (Score:2)
I suppose a CD would be nice (it would save quite a bit of download time if you're on dial-up), but, quite frankly, I don't think anyone would buy it :D
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:2)
It's not the Joel "Espy" Klecker release. It's Debian 2.2 (or "potato"), dedicated to Joel "Espy" Klecker. Always has been; always will be. The last paragraph of the release announcement mentions it; a dedication is burned on each official CD. However, it's not the name of the release.
(By analogy, the movie The Negotiator is dedicated to late actor J. T. Walsh. Nobody calls it "The J. T. Walsh Movie"; that's not its name.)
WHY aren't there canonical CD images? (Score:2)
How are we supposed to get CD images and know they're really final and correct? (Say what you will about Red Hat; their ISO images are easy to find and never in disagreement between different mirror sites that carry them.)
Re:Debian is in it's own little world (Score:2)
Re:Debian's naming scheme (Score:2)
Re:Debian's naming scheme (Score:2)
1.1 was buzz
1.2 was rex
1.3 was bo
2.0 was hamm
got it!!??