Red Hat 7.0 Beta Is Out 358
Thorkild writes: "The subject says it all. They just opened up the directories on
the mirror sites." If you can't find it without me telling you where it is, then you shouldn't be running a Beta Red Hat 7.0 ;)
Re:pentium (Score:2)
I presume thats a carefully selected snapshot.
Has the IA32 c++ ABI been finalised (and implimented), or will there still be one more round of c++ program breakage?
Re:What I was saying (Score:3)
Sure, we listen to those, as well. If you don't want to use bugzilla for whatever reason, just pick the latest name in the changelog.
Chances are you'll get a reply, even if it takes a while (we get a lot of them, I'm admittedly about 500 mails behind at the moment).
I also like a minimalist base install
We've fixed that up for 7.0. (Pick custom install and select individual packages, then don't select anything).
We're down to 30 or so packages in a minimal install.
Why do distros feel the need to come with a shitload of software?
In some countries, net connections are terribly expensive, and the average computer store (unfortunately) still doesn't carry a lot of Linux software or mirrors of Linux ftp servers, so we're better off including a lot of things.
Including it on the CDs doesn't mean you have to install it... That's what custom installs are there for.
Re:Needs easier HW setup, not require X, & svc pac (Score:2)
I'm all for allowing fresh faces to come use Linux. And if they want to use wizards, that's fine, too. I think that most 31337 Linux users feel the same way, as long as their methods of unbreaking things are still available.
Re:RedHat (Score:3)
It does however provide simpler tools to do it. I learned how to use linux on Red Hat. I used the tools to do what I didn't yet know how to, and I used the command line to do whatr i had already learned as I learned more I used the Red Hat tools less and less until I finally switched distros (Red Hat won't miss me I never paid them for it anyway). If I couldn't do it that way, I (and many others) would still be using, god-forbid, Windows.
And if more people start using linux with Red Hat, well that just makes me happier.
Devil Ducky
Fontastic (Score:2)
Who can guarantee that the fonts we pick aren't taken from some company that will sue us for stealing?
Re:What's new (Score:3)
Tux is still being worked on. Apache is probably being held for Tux.
They've been burned by bind once already.
Staroffice will be Open Source in October. It's not open source yet.
Which LVM tool?
Re:Official announcement / download locations (Score:2)
Probably marked it as over-rated because (s)he didn't want to get marked down in meta-moderation. Although I haven't looked hard for it, this is probably a copy-and-paste, and the proper moderation could be argued to be "Redundant". (Probably afraid of "inbred clueless meta-moderators".)
Anyway, the metalab link was wrong. It can actually be found at htt p://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat /redhat-7.0beta/pinstripe/ [unc.edu].
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Re:Ehmz... (Score:2)
No matter how large a company is, it can't possibly have all combinations of hardware, so how are we supposed to find bugs that occur only in systems that have the MyNet 2000 network card in combination with a Weirdo UW-SCSI card?
That's (part of) why public betas are absolutely needed.
As for supplying beta testers with the final version, I'm all for it (no, I don't have any say on this), but it's probably hard to do - how do you determine who did "enough" testing? 10 Entries in Bugzilla? Then what about someone who found only one bug, but submitted a perfect fix?
You'll probably always end up being unfair to someone.
Re:pentium (Score:2)
For the beta, yes.
Everything in there except for the kernel and some compat packages has been compiled with the snapshot.
For the final, we hope to include the final release.
Has the ia32 c++ ABI been finalised (and implemented)?
Implemented: yes.
Finalised: Hopefully, but there might be some more changes (which will of course make it into the 7.0 final).
And I bet they're pissed... (Score:2)
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Re:pentium (Score:3)
Also, since we're using gcc 2.96, the generated 386 code is probably somewhat faster than the "optimized" code earlier versions produced.
Re:What's new (Score:2)
And don't get me wrong. I would love to see all of these features, but often redhat does not go that cutting edge
Re:Slackware numbering (Score:2)
It is my understanding that some cards using the AIC7xxx chipset are really broken and 6.2 doesn't have the right workarounds (it definitely works on my home machine with an original Adaptec 2940).
Did you try the patch from http://people.redhat.com/dledford/ai c7xxx.html [redhat.com]? A couple of people have reported that fixes the problem (use the driver at the BOTTOM of the list), so I guess it's actually resolved.
I don't have the actual hardware to verify this myself.
Re:major distros go 7.0, but nothing new... (Score:2)
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OS release instability and other corrections... (Score:2)
I feel that Microsoft Windows NT is too "unstable" and it only changes major components once a year.
Major releases generally cause stress amongst IT shops, both trying to deploy upgrades as well as retest and develop software against the new changes. Ye olde Mainframe went for years without major changes, allowing IT to focus on solutions to problems rather than upgrades.
Now I have to correct your FUD...
Windows 98 is #2 in terms of retail sales of business software, at least according to www.pcdata.com. It's in the top 10 of all retail software sales.
Windows Me is supposed to ship this fall, not two years from now, more like two months...
RedHat 6.2 is #17 in business retail sales.
Windows 2000 is #18 on the retail sales charts.
As far as noone likes Windows 2000... That's not true. Personally my trials at home show it to be great. It's slow in sales right now only because corporations are slow to upgrade, due to the difficulties I pointed out above.
Also given that most sales of Windows are in the corporate and OEM markets, it's not doing bad at all...
Re:Not to rain on your parade... (Score:2)
So in some cases, those certifications hurt your chances of getting a job.
Re:Bah! (Score:3)
Entirely untrue.
We increase the major version number when there are changes that will prevent stuff compiled on the new version to run on the old version without being recompiled.
For 7.0, that's caused by the change of compilers (C++ binary incompatibility) and glibc (2.2, not 2.1.8).
Re:What's new (Score:5)
sendmail 8.11
Missing from the beta, present in our current tree (and definitely the final).
kernel 2.4test5ac
Actually it's there, on the 2nd CD and not installed by default because it's known to have some critical bugs.
tux 1.0
Needs kernel 2.4
apache 2.0pre4
Chances are 2.0 won't be released in time for 7.0. It'll probably be in 7.1 (and I'll make RPMs for 7.0 available as soon as I have the time).
bind 9.0
Same as for apache - I'm actually using the 9.0.0 release candidate to host bero.org, but it has a couple of problems, like some missing utilities, and requires all master zones to be changed because the TTL stuff is now mandatory (and most people haven't used it with bind 8), so there's no really clean update path. Not something we could do in the couple of days between the 9.0.0rc1 release and the beta.
staroffice
It's still binary-only, they've just announced they'll GPL it by October 13th. We'll include it once that happened, until then, it will be on the Linux Applications CD in the boxed sets.
LVM
It's present in the 2.4 kernel we're shipping.
reiserfs
Too unstable at the moment. They keep changing the journal format, and the recovery tools aren't quite where they should be.
Yes, reiserfs is nice while it works (I'm actually using it on one of my machines), but if something doesn't work and a journal replay doesn't fix it, you're usually in trouble.
I'll make a kernel RPM with the patch available over at people.redhat.com/bero/experimental when I have the time (probably shortly after the 7.0 release) for those who want to play - but for now, we don't feel we can support it.
Re:Slackware numbering (Score:3)
You must be using a different 6.2 than the rest of the world then...
If you have any issues with 6.2, report them [redhat.com] - we can't fix problems we aren't aware of. Considering my web server (running 6.2) has had an uptime of 103 days before I rebooted it for a kernel upgrade, I'd hardly call it alpha-quality code.
Re:Generating .config from current installation (Score:3)
So how do you find out what drivers you need?
Well, to start, use the command `lsmod` to see which modules are loaded. That should tell you which network driver you need to build.
hmm looking at the new tree (Score:2)
send flames > /dev/null
Re:Continuous Beta (Score:3)
Yes. And we are. Check out Raw Hide [redhat.com], which is actually a snapshot of our current development work, updated every couple of days.
Our official betas are when we decide something has all the features we need in the final version, and generate ISO images to make it available to a broader group of people.
Re:Version number bloat? (Score:3)
All the major number increase means is that an application compiled on a 7.0 system won't run on a 6.x system without being recompiled (because of the glibc and compiler upgrades).
Binary compatibility throughout a major number release is very important to us (do you think we LIKED keeping egcs 1.1.2 as the primary compiler in 6.2?).
Re:Fontastic (Score:2)
Check the readme files - many of the fonts are free. Others include unclear license but have author address - you can send a query to the author.
The problem with free truetype fonts, the way I see it, is not lack of fonts, but lack of good high-quality fonts for normal use.
The vast majority of free fonts are fancy fonts that are not suitable as default fonts. Is there a possibility to create "Times New Roman", Helvetica etc? Are the fonts themselves copywrited, or only their manifestation as computer vector fonts?
No idea about major/minor versioning (Score:2)
Re:Does the Xfree 4.0.1 come with free TT fonts? (Score:2)
Freetype is a LIBRARY that supports handling truetype fonts.
We've been including it and patching XFree86 to handle it since 6.0 or so.
However, there are no TT fonts included ATM (neither with the 7.0beta nor with Freetype) - if you can point me to a place that has good and free TT fonts that we could include, do.
It's hard to find any high-quality free TT fonts.
Re:Some Packages Of Interest (Score:2)
We're ready for 2.4 in these terms.
Everything in the distribution has been compiled with 2.4 kernel includes, and all packages have been updated (we're even including iptables, the ipchains replacement for 2.4 kernels).
why not include the beta kernel with a product not expected to ship for another few months?
We don't expect to see a 100% stable 2.4.x release before going gold on 7.0. Therefore, we need beta testers to check how well our updates to the 2.2 kernels work with all sorts of hardware. That's why we're including the kernel that's closer to the default kernel for 7.0 final.
If you take a look at the kernel source RPM, you'll see we've added a number of patches, such as USB support - we don't want to include them in 7.0 without having had any public beta testing on that kernel.
Why rush 7.0
I'd rather delay 7.0 by a few more weeks to wait for some projects, but it's out of the question for the business side.
Not many would run beta in a mission critical situation
Right - but the beta is supposed to be as close as possible to the final, and the final will have 2.2.17 by default (with 2.4.0 included on the CD for those who want to play).
We can't go "2.2.17 is tested well enough, we'll just throw it in if 2.4.0test9pre7 isn't stable enough at release time" because we don't want to ship untested kernel patches. That would be suicide... (Then again, maybe not, seems like Microsoft has done it all the time
why not openssh or lsh? (Score:3)
Re:Talk about making retailers mad.. (Score:3)
We all know the REAL reason you release so often is because is gets announced on slashdot and you write replies to everyones comments. Your replies all get modded up to +5 and your karma soars.
THAT is why RH really releases so often - You simply want more karma.
Sigh....now I have to be the one....... (Score:3)
Lame Observation (Score:2)
Please stop arguing about which distro is better. Any Open-Source OS that can be tuned to YOUR needs is the one you should use. It's not about which one, its about all of them.
It's getting boring to read _lame_skript_kiddie_ complaints about how *pick-your-distro* doesn't have a 2.4 kernel, or StarOffice, or whatever. Did you know you could go get it yourself, review the code, configure, make, and install too?
If you didn't like it, you can change it, yep, learn a little programming, and make it exactly how you want it
Can you do that with MS ? nope nope nope, You get it Bill's way.
Anyways
So Beta 7 is out, great, RH is taking a positive step towards decreasing the MS marketshare on the desktop. I think that a 6 month turnaround is about right, remember, MS released new OS's what, about every 3 years (95->98, 3.51->4.0->2000). That is one of the benefits which is driving *nix up the marketshare ladder, server and desktop.
Lets pull it apart boys !!! (and girls)
-BrewX
Re:why not openssh or lsh? (Score:3)
[Open]SSH uses RSA for host key authentication.
We've made RPMs available at ftp://ftp.redhat.de/pub/rh-addons/secur ity/ [redhat.de], where the RSA patent doesn't apply, though.
AFAIK you may not use them in a place where the RSA patent applies, so don't get them unless you're outside of the US and any other contry that has the RSA patent.
Fortunately, the patent will expire later this year.
Re:What about ReiserFS? (Score:3)
Once it has stabilized, we'll include it unless something better comes along before that.
For 7.0, I'll put up a kernel RPM with the ReiserFS patch on http://people.redhat.com/bero/experimen tal/ [redhat.com] when I have the time (probably shortly after the 7.0 release) for those who want to play, but don't say I didn't warn you.
Re:Don't Get Me Wrong (Score:2)
You can turn that of at installation time if you choose a custom install.
The reasoning is, basically, that someone who can't run a custom install probably won't find his way around on the text console. Someone who can (and wants to) handle the text console as primary UI is much more likely to know how to vi
I didn't mean to be insulting of course
I thought so - I just prefer "an advanced user might miss the XYZ feature FreeBSD has" over "it seems to be targeted more at newbies", because once we know WHAT is missing, we can fix it...
Re:2 CD's? (Score:2)
Red Hat's involvement in the community (Score:2)
People who say that RH have sold out are plain wrong.
Re:Talk about making retailers mad.. (Score:2)
Yes, the plans are to get a user account with karma > whatever the code currently supports, thereby causing a buffer overrun and taking over Slashdot, and thereby WORLD DOMINATION!
Oops, now I told too much.
Guess I'd better do something to make at least some people believe we're releasing because we're actually improving something...
400th post!
I'm currently pouring hot grits down my pants and looking at a Natalie Portman poster!
Your favorite Linux distribution sucks, all real people do "cat >/dev/hda"!
Hope this qualifies as Troll, -1.
Obviously, I'm not after Karma.
Building a stock RedHat Kernel (Score:2)
Look in
You'll see several files, names something like
kernel-2.2.15-i386-BOOT.config kernel-2.2.15-i586.config
kernel-2.2.15-i386-smp.config kernel-2.2.15-i686-smp.config
kernel-2.2.15-i386.config kernel-2.2.15-i686.config
kernel-2.2.15-i586-smp.config
Decide which one you want. I'm using
kernel-2.2.15-i386.config on my laptop and
kernel-2.2.15-i686-smp.config on my desktop.
You that you have a file, in
# make xconfig
or
# make menuconfig
Depending on X or Text mode. Look for an option like "Load Alternative Config File". Type/Paste in the name of the file you picked. Save & Exit.
# make dep; make clean; make; make modules; make bzlilo; make modules_install
You have it all wrong! (Score:4)
BTW, what's this "kernel" thing people keep talking about?
(hey mods, it's a joke)
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For a distribution with 2.4.0-test series kernel. (Score:2)
Caldera's Linux 2.4 Technology Preview includes:
This is not to be confused with Caldera's confusing versioning scheme in which 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 all were based on Linux kernel 2.2.x. Maybe Caldera will jump up to 7.0 when the real 2.4.0-honest-to-God comes out in October 200x, and RedHat, Mandrake, Slackware, and SuSE all come out with 8.0.
The Race (Score:2)
Bryan R.
Re:What about ReiserFS? (Score:3)
Its about installation. Mandrake 7.1 gives you the ability to create a ReiserFS and a swap partitions - and thats it! you don't need another ext2 partition for booting etc.. - and THATS the beauty here..
So, what about releasing a boot/root disk that will add the options to create a ReiserFS in addition of ext2? like Mandrake does...
Re:6.1 problems (Score:2)
Red Hat needs to stay organized... (Score:4)
It's little things like that that can really irk your support base... the pointy hairs might not notice, but we do.
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newbies vs. productivity (Score:2)
I started on Slack in 1996. Painful. But I loved it. Today I know and understand linux, and I'm looking at being more productive. Sure you can use cp and mv and find -name, but that gets tedious and redundant. Nothing beats the ease of point-and-click. I recently installed Slack 7.0. Downloaded the ISO. Still had to make those root/boot disks. Sorry to say, but Bootable CD's aren't just for newbies.
The RPM is (IMO) the best package manager out there. Upgrades are easy, new software installs are easy. Don't get me wrong, I love compiling software as much as the other dude, but that's not productive for _me_. Give me a binary RPM so I can _use_ the stuff. The
2 CD's? (Score:2)
pinstripe-en-i386-cd1.iso
pinstripe-en-i386-cd2.iso
Are they finally breaking down and needing 2 CD's?
Re:then what should we be using? (Score:2)
javajawa# sleep
LVM tools? (Score:3)
But recently they've been failing on both fronts. Suse seems to be taking the lead on new features (with their support of X drivers, and shipping LVM and reiserfs), and Redhat has slipped on the security front. Redhat took two weeks (two weeks!) to issue patches the the last round of security problems affecting the 2.2.14 kernel. Not the 24-hour turnaround I've come to expect.
I suspect the distro will be good in other respects, though.
Re:RedHat (Score:5)
how does RedHat (or any distributon, for that matter) lessen the potential for total immersion in the unix environment? it's not like the graphical admin tools and scripts that are provided mean that you can no longer go into
skip automatic hardware detection, don't set up TCP/IP at install time, don't install any windows managers, and certainly don't install GNOME or KDE. there you go...its thin'n'crispy (tm) just like unix 'should be'.
on the other hand, you can install all the bells and whistles if you'd like, and pretend the technical details don't exist
i thought this whole 'choice' thing was what linux was about?
Re:Talk about making retailers mad.. (Score:2)
Uhm, actually, as a Debian user, I'm pretty much used to this situation.
Except of course that we don't even have KDE 1.x yet... (c:
(of course, I still *use* Debian...)p.--Cycon
Re:OT RHCE Certification upgrade (Score:2)
If you take a look at what have been changed from RH 6.2 -> 7.0 - you'll see that its not much...
So my guess will be that it will take you from 1 day to 1 week to learn what has been changed and study the changes...
I'm sure that no one will disqualify you because you have the RHCE for 6.2 while they'll use 7.0
Good for Red Hat :) (Score:4)
Well, this is great news for the community since like it or not, public perception of Linux comes from what RedHat are doing more than any other organisation - hence this'll be seen as Linux 7.0, which sounds better to the newbie than Linux 2.4.0-test3 :)
It does seem that people who are long-term Linux users don't use RedHat anymore, maybe because it has been geared towards the "newbie", but at the end of the day surely Linux is Linux, and you can set up any distribution how you like given a bit of time.
Still Linux does need something aimed at helping newer users overcome the initial "fear factor" of running Linux. Whether you like it or not, by doing so they're doing everyone a favour in the long run. So although I don't use it, I wish them all the best and hope this release goes well for them.
Re:What's in it? (Score:2)
Take a look at the releases of KDE beta's and you'll notice that they were released exactly as planned (with few days more for packaging - but I'm sure this is not a problem for Redhat).
Re:You have it all wrong! (Score:2)
Bah! Wait, lemme say that again... Bah!
I couldn't give a shit about the karma, I've got karma to burn. But the "unacceptable" bit bugs me. So much so, in fact, that I'm doing it again.
DON'T MAKE ME LOAD THIS THREAD AGAIN! I'LL GET OUT THE BELT!
watch out bugtraq (Score:2)
I dunno (Score:2)
Then RedHat fixes most of these problems in a
I don't know about the
So imaging what a beta of an unstable product will be... 2.4.0-test4pre2, gcc-3.0pre5, etc.
I would stick with 6.2 unless you're really brave.
Generating .config from current installation (Score:4)
It would be great if the installation routine could create a .config file in /usr/src/linux that would match the current installation and hardware! I can't build a new kernel because I can't figure out what network card I have (/proc/pci says one thing, conf.modules says something completely different, I can't find the chip on the motherboard, and nothing I've tried works anyway). However, the installation itself knows what hardware I have, but if I try to build another kernel, I have to manually figure it all out. There is no reason for this.
The installation routine should generate a .config based on the hardware it has detected and the options the user chose during the installation. In other words, I should be able to build the kernel from /usr/src/linux without specifying any options, and it should work!
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Font copyright (Score:2)
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Re:Generating .config from current installation (Score:2)
This will not solve all your problems mentioned, but it is a good step in that direction.
Bill
Re:What's new (Score:2)
Re:Dude (Score:2)
I gotta agree there. However, Shakespear, now that is literature.
To troll or not to troll, that is the question
wether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of moderation, or to login to a sea of troubles, and by posting intelligently gaining karma
To whore, to troll, no more
And by a troll we say to end
The intelligence and thousand on-topic threads that slashdot was heir to.
More Boxes, More Sales... (Score:2)
It is nonetheless not at all obvious that this winds up causing an actual problem.
After all, if a new version comes out every 6 months, that means that CompUSA and BestBuy have the opportunity to have regular displays that say: New! Improved! Buy now!
I would certainly agree that this results in there being some obsolete RHAT boxes out there that may become virtually unsalable. That does not forcibly represent a problem; computer stores have already needed to be able to cope with "best before" dates, and dealing with products that have to head to the Bargain Bin.
Thus, for Red Hat Linux releases to exercise the "Bargain Bin" does not forcibly represent a problem for retail marketing.
Re:Bargain bin sales... (Score:2)
The point really is that there are mechanisms already in place for coping with returns, and a fair bit of control is in the hands of retailers, at least those that buy in bulk.
If BestBuy knows that RHAT does a release roughly every five or six months, but winds up over-ordering based on estimating sales badly, I'm not sure why this ought to be considered the fault of RHAT. The dummies are in BestBuy's purchasing department...
Shouldn't this be a 6.3 release? (Score:2)
-Brandon
Some Packages Of Interest (Score:2)
Latest Beta KDE (3!)
MySQL Now Included
Latest Postgres
Looks like some fun stuff. Intesting that they wouldn't include a beta of the kernel but of KDE. Guess RedHat knows what will and will not be done by the time 7 ships.
Bryan R.
Re:And I bet they're pissed... (Score:3)
I was looking at Redhat-beta-pinstripe on sourceforge, and they do have SRPMS for
XFree86-4.0.1
kernel-2.2.16-17
and
kernel24-2.4.0-0.16
So their hopes must be pretty high. I bet the final release of 7.0 will have kernel 2.4.1, at least as an option. The big selling point will probably be the GLX support for the i810, rage128, matrox, voodoo3, etc.
They do have support for Xfree86-3.3.6, though, so they may be hedging their bets.
Re:Generating .config from current installation (Score:2)
send flames > /dev/null
Re:Don't you know it (Score:2)
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Re:What I was saying (Score:2)
Excellent. I tried to install RH6.2 onto an LS-120 to use as an emergency boot disk, but it didn't fit. When your base install, with no packages selected is over 120MB, it's a sure sign you've gone too far in the bloat direction. Then again, I've been using Linux since it came on a boot and root disk direct from Linus, so everything seems a bit bloated these days :-)
Re:Red Hat - the way I like it (Score:2)
To other distro maintainers: when you can duplicate the effects of kickstart (or roboinst or jumpstart, etc), I'll use your distro. I hate Red Hat, but you're just not getting the job done for me. Sorry.
Talk about making retailers mad.. (Score:4)
I fear that RedHat will drive the penguin out of the retail market faster than any MS generated FUD could .
In related news... (Score:2)
About twenty minutes after the beta directories were opened up on the mirrors, the first of the ERRATA files were transmitted to the mirrors for downloading...
FNORD!
This numbering sequence... (Score:3)
Picture things in 2 years, we're going to have Redhat Version 14, Slackware Version 15.1, and SuSE 42.
They're going to have to stop the insanity eventually! :)
It Doesn't Seem To Happen That Way (Score:2)
Re:What's new (Score:2)
This is a problem that I have, and is probably one that THEY know of, and is a good reason not to include reiserfs as part of the basic install.
Including the reiserfs patch (as part of an upgraded kernel source archive), and providing ext2-to-reiser utils (if and when they are written) would help things a good deal.
p.s. I haven't bothered to check/contact the reiserfs mailing list over this. This is not an excuse for me not having the problem 'fixed' -- 2.2.13 works fine for me. However it is a valid excuse for not having reiserfs in -their- kernel at this point.
p.p.s patience. I'd personally like to see LVM first, and reiserfs to wait in the wings until it is virtually (i.e. at least appears) designed for LVM.
John
Re:Redhat, the Win9x of Linux.... (Score:2)
(1) There's an apt-get mechanism that you can set up to do automated updates (think, security patches) of your system software. Redhat is working on this, too, but Debian has been there for a long time.
(2) They don't ship alpha quality software! I sincerely hope that RedHat has bought some QA with their IPO money, because despite having a reputation for being easy to install, RedHat upgrades always strike me as a severe nightmare.
(Hey, maybe I'll try a *beta* release of a "x.0" version of RedHat! That sounds so exciting! Uh, on second thought....)
Re:You have it all wrong! (Score:2)
Ehmz... (Score:2)
But then again; I also can't understand why people buy Microsoft beta's and participate in the testing. MS is afaik the only company which can test a beta and make money out of it as well.
Re:Red Hat needs to stay organized... (Score:2)
A few other lists are up, too - see https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo
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Re:then what should we be using? (Score:2)
Re:What's in it? (Score:2)
certification (Score:3)
I just got the RHCE certification (didn't really care about it but my company insisted on paying for it, so who am i to argue?). Since the certification is specifically for RH6.2, and that it will expire at the end of the RH7.x serie (that's what the instructor said anyway, but nobody is really sure) - at the rate RH is going that should be in a year or so?
As I said, I am glad my company paid for this. Considering how much it cost ($700 just for the test), and how soon it becomes obsolete, I would NEVER have paid for it.
Re:Whatever... (Score:2)
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Tim Wilde
Gimme 42 daemons!
Re:Official announcement / download locations (Score:2)
What the heck does that mean, exactly?
Sun started (I think) the practice of the
By taking everything out of
Re:Whatever... (Score:2)
So that's the reason my grandparents got Win2k betas?
Re:pentium (Score:2)
We are aiming for better binaries - more ones, less zeros.
Seriously speaking, we compile with optimizations for pentiumpro but no architecture specific commands (selected packages excepted, like glibc and the kernel). And since we use a compiler with a new x86 backend, we should actually see some performance gain - previously, "optimizing for pentium" with gcc was just a gimmick.
Official announcement / download locations (Score:5)
Red Hat Linux "Pinstripe"
a Beta release
Red Hat. Inc. presents a beta release of Red Hat Linux for your
hacking pleasure. First, the regular drill:
This is a beta release of Red Hat Linux. It is not intended for
mission critical applications. It's not even intended for
non-mission critical applications. Important data should not be
entrusted to Pinstripe, as it may eat it and make loud belching
noises.
Significant changes have been made since the last version of Red Hat
Linux. We need your help to find and report bugs. Search for
existing bug reports for problems you find by using bugzilla at:
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ [redhat.com]
Attach patches if you're motivated!
This beta includes so much cutting edge software, the binary packages
come on two iso images. The installation program now handles reading
packages from multiple CDs.
* Where can I get this release?
Pinstripe can be downloaded from our public FTP site at:
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe
With the support of volunteers ftp site administrators, Pinstripe is
available from several mirrors. The following have complete copies of
Pinstripe, please use a mirror close to you:
North Carolina, USA:
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/red
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/re
California, USA:
ftp://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redh
http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/red
California, USA:
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/be
http://www.kernel.org/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/b
Connecticut, USA:
ftp://ftp.uselinux.org/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/
Indiana, USA:
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta
http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/bet
Michigan, USA:
ftp://mrhankey.bizserve.com/pub/linux/redhat/ftp.
New York, USA:
ftp://ftp.ee.cornell.edu/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pi
Pennsylvania, USA:
ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions
Pennsylvania, USA:
ftp://cronus.res.cmu.edu/pub/linux/ftp.redhat.com
Tennessee, USA:
ftp://sunsite.utk.edu/pub/linux/redhat/redhat/bet
http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/redhat/redha
Australia:
ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/redhat/beta/pinstr
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/redhat/beta/pinst
Germany:
ftp://ftp.gmd.de/mirrors/redhat.com/redhat/beta/p
Germany:
ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/linux/redhat/beta/p
http://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/linux/redhat/beta/
Norway:
(ISO images only)
ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions
Peru:
ftp://sajino.terra.com.pe/pub/linux/redhat/beta/p
Japan:
ftp://ftp.kddlabs.co.jp/Linux/packages/RedHat/red
* What's new in this beta?
General system improvements:
o FHS compliant packaging of files
See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ for more information
o Document roots for Apache and anonymous FTP are removed from
o Packages with services are automatically restarted on live
upgrades
o Expanded LDAP integration
o Expanded Kerberos integration
Core system components:
o glibc 2.1.91
o XFree86 4.0.1, XFree86 4.0.1 runtime environment
o XFree86 3.3.6 X servers included for maximum hardware compatibility
o GNOME 1.2
o kernel 2.2.16
o GCC 2.96
Expanded hardware support:
o Basic USB support (mouse and keyboards)
o Expanded hardware accelerated 3-D support
System service changes:
o inetd replaced by xinetd
o BSD lpr replaced by LPRng
A sampling of package upgrades:
o GIMP 1.1.24
o Perl 5.6.0
o Tcl/Tk 8.3.1
A sampling of Package additions:
o SDL, smpeg
o SANE
o gphoto
o MySQL
o AbiWord
o dia
o ispell has been replaced by aspell
o XEmacs
Next generation development library previews included:
o pango: Unicode font rendering
See http://www.pango.org/
o Inti: C++ foundation libraries including GTK+ GUI toolkit classes
See http://sources.redhat.com/inti/
Enjoy!
The OS Development Team
Red Hat, Inc.
What's new (Score:5)
perl 5.60
php 4.01 - speed boost over version 3
mysql - now open source, no longer just in power tools
XFree86 4.01 - speed boost over version 3
enterprise kernel - raw filesystems and other performance patches
kde 1.91 - beta for 2.0, includes new browser
kde office 1.91
And what's missing:
sendmail 8.11 - crypto smtp
kernel 2.4test5ac - decent smp performance
tux 1.0 - very fast RedHat kernel web server
apache 2.0pre4
bind 9.0 - major rewrite
staroffice - now it's open source
LVM
reiserfs
Sendmail and staroffice aren't beta and should have gone into this release, the rest are probably too bleeding edge. Anyone think of anything I've missed?
Re:Talk about making retailers mad.. (Score:2)
In other words, I think the guys who read
Vanguard
PS Or, maybe I'm living in a DSL induced fantasy land?
SuSE (Score:2)
Personal is aimed at the desktop-market, so maybe it will be preconfigured not to run all services under the sun by default and make beginners a bit less vulnerable.
Re:Why 7.0 (Score:2)
Kernel 2.4 is optional (and the release should be mostly compatible w/ 2.4 final)
Re:Official announcement / download locations (Score:2)
Re:RedHat (Score:2)
How so? (If we don't know what's wrong, we can't fix it!)
I'm running it without X about 90% of the time, I'm not missing anything...
For the link-impoverished: (Score:4)
With the support of volunteers ftp site administrators, Pinstripe is available from several mirrors. The following have complete copies of Pinstripe, please use a mirror close to you:
North Carolina, USA:r ipe/ [unc.edu] s tripe/ [unc.edu]
ftp://metalab. unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/beta/pinst
http://metala b.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/beta/pin
California, USA:p e/ [sourceforge.net] r ipe/ [sourceforge.net]
ftp://ftp.sourc eforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstri
http://ftp.sou rceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinst
California, USA: /pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [kernel.org]
ftp://ftp.kernel.org
http://www.kernel.o rg/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [kernel.org]
Connecticut, USA: /beta/pinstripe/ [uselinux.org]
ftp://ftp.uselinux.org/pub/redhat
Indiana, USA: .purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [purdue.edu]
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn
http://csociety-ftp.e cn.purdue.edu/pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [purdue.edu]
Michigan, USA: ftp://mrhankey.bizserve.com/pub/linux/redhat/ftp.r edhat.com/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [bizserve.com]
New York, USA: ftp://ftp.ee.cornell.edu/p ub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe [cornell.edu]
Pennsylvania, USA: ftp ://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/red hat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [psu.edu]
Pennsylvania, USA: ftp://cronus.res. cmu.edu/pub/linux/ftp.redhat.com/beta/pinstripe/ [cmu.edu]
Tennessee, USA: ftp://sunsite.utk.edu /pub/linux/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [utk.edu] / [utk.edu]
http://sunsite.u tk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/redhat/redhat/beta/pinstripe
Australia: ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pu b/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [aarnet.edu.au]
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/ pub/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [aarnet.edu.au]
Germany: ftp://ftp.gmd.de/mirrors /redhat.com/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [ftp.gmd.de]
Germany: .de/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [uni-bayreuth.de]
ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.d e/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [uni-bayreuth.de]
http://ftp.uni-bayreuth
Norway: (ISO images only) ftp ://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/red hat/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [psu.edu]
Peru: ftp://sajino.terra.com.p e/pub/linux/redhat/beta/pinstripe/ [terra.com.pe]
Japan: ftp://ftp.kddl abs.co.jp/Linux/packages/RedHat/redhat/beta/pinstr ipe/ [kddlabs.co.jp]
Re:Redhat, the Win9x of Linux.... (Score:3)
Either than this, they are all the same. They all package free (as in freedom) software developed by someone else.
RedHat however has the best balance when it comes to ease-of-use/stability/quality/support....
It has also built a good brandname, kindda like Sony for electronics. Sony stuff might not always be the best, but you know it's among the best.
As for hardcore geeks prefering Debian. I think it's mostly the "I don't use what newbies use" attitude or maybe it's "I use something very few use"
Anyway, conclusion: they are 90% same stuff with some version number difference.
Re:Talk about making retailers mad.. (Score:4)
Making less releases would put us behind all the others (just imagine the slashdot announcement "SomeDistro 10.3 released, has Kernel 2.4.1 and KDE 2.0, while Red Hat is still at Kernel 2.0.38 and KDE 1.0" - nobody (except for some Red Hat haters, maybe) would like that!) - at the pace of development in Linux, 6 months can be a major change...
We're not talking about 3-years-later-than-95-is-still-almost-the-same-OS
Changing that would be giving up some of the biggest advantages of Linux and (fast) open source development.
Re:2 CD's? (Score:4)
For a normal install, you won't need the second CD. It's just there for some extra packages that most people probably won't need.
Re:Some Packages Of Interest (Score:4)
We are actually including a 2.4 kernel package (I think it's on the 2nd CD), it's just not installed by default.
The reasons are simple - you don't want a mission critical server to crash because of a broken kernel.
While a UI segfaulting is not very nice, it's hardly as critical.
Re:Don't you know it (Score:3)
I'm guessing from the quality of your post that you are also fantastically good looking, witty, urbane and generally perfect.
Keep up the good work, we all know that there are very few highly educated Slashdot users around and we need reminding every now and then as to that which we should aspire to.
troc
Re:Some Packages Of Interest (Score:4)
We'll start doing that as soon as they release the source. If anyone at nVidia is reading this, please cause the right consequences.