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Red Hat 6.2 Beta on FTP Servers 270

Posted by CmdrTaco from the poke-at-this dept.
Bryan Mattern writes "I went to do an FTP install this morning and noticed RedHat 6.2beta on the FTP mirrors. There is no official word yet from Red Hat, but I'm downloading it right now. Might be nice to check out if you can grab it. " Update: 02/09 06:32 by H :You can also grab it from SourceForge's mirror.
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  • But how do we really know? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Maybe the poster with the period at the end of the username is the real Bruce Perens, and the poster without the period is the imposter. Or maybe neither one of them is the real Bruce Perens. Hell, I could open up an account with the username "Bruce Willis", but that doesn't mean I run around high-rises and throw German terrorists out of windows. For that matter, how do we know that CmdrTaco is CmdrTaco? Maybe the real Rob Malda runs Jennicam [jennicam.org], and Slashdot is run by a Malda impersonator. For crying out loud, Bruce Perens could be Rob Malda! The fake Rob Malda, that is. The real Rob Malda is Bruce Willis. Christ, how do we really know?

  • Re:Built in Crypto. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    A quickly erasable filesystem would also be nice. Generate a random key, and use it to encrypt the filesystem. Write the key to the disk, optionally encrypted with a password hash. You can then erase gigs of data instantly by wiping the disk block that stores the key. Tell them the password, it's useless now :)

    As for crpyto right out of the box, lawyers for kernel.org are reviewing US law to see whether it is legal for them to distribute crypto. It will probably still be a patch, they don't want to screw people in countries like China that have tight crypto restrictions. Distributions may come with the patch pre-applied though, probably compiled as kernel modules. Or they could at least make crypto easy to add, i.e. all crypto modules are packaged in an RPM that is automatically downloaded from a non-us site.

  • This is not Bruce Perens - don't moderate up.

    Now here's someone who understands how moderation is supposed to work...
  • They should, although there are still some countries that don't allow strong encryption. Perhaps a US specific version w/ssh would be appropriate.
  • Posted by NJViking:

    I have been trying to get the bootnet.img disk running for Red Hat 6.1 but it errors out on random packages as it installs.

    Downloading the "supposed" fixes from Red Hat does not seem to help.

    However, with only using 5 disks (1 boot, 1 root, 3 driver disks), I was able to install Debian 2.2 in a matter of 5 minutes with absolutely no hassles.

    Not to mention that Debian actually has a central point to upgrade packages (unlike Red Hat)

    NJV
  • Red Hat 6.1 Beta, which has been on FTP sites for some months now.
  • Programs that DEPEND on libc need some of the libc symbols. Ideally, there would be a normal and debug version of libc, together with the source, such that when you debug, gdb always knows where to go. That said, its easier said than done (since there's no protocol to adhere to when writing a debugger such that you can select the libraries that ld.so should link with)
    John
  • They won't name it version 1.0; it'll be at least 3.1

    nick
  • Services and clients of services have been split out into different packages. For example, there is now a telnet package and a telnet-server package.

    gzip has a 586-optimized version, and Mesa has a 686 optimized version.

    The kernel is 2.2.15. I don't know what patches are included but knowing redhat probally quite a few.

    The compilier is egcs-1.1.2. Rawhide was using gcc-2.95, so I'm confused.

    The start of KDE-2 packages are there, but only the libraries basically. In the rawhide release the kfm defaulted to a Windows98 style web-explorer view. I don't know if the RH6.2 kde packages also do that.

    XFree86 is up to version 3.3.6 from 3.3.2

    Fvwm has been dropped. Fvwm2 is still included for those who want to avoid the Desktop Environments.

    gnome is at 1.0.55. I have no idea how much has changed there.

    The multi-language HOWTO's are missing from the beta. They are in rawhide, so maybe they will be in the release. Also missing from the beta but in rawhide are the Network Administrators Guide, and the System Administrators Guide.

    NFS is still done in userspace. Rawhide has the knfs tools, but they did not make the trip to the beta.

  • A general rule is to skip .1 redhat releases. 6.2 is probably better.

    --

  • This is more of a feature than a bug. There are a number of security issues here. One of my biggest complaints about in the past about RH is their lack of security. The downside is when you close off a hole you make things more difficult to use. This is one of the reasons things have been so lax in the past.

    Your problem is that by doing "su -" you take on root's enviroment. If you just "su" you won't lose your prior enviroment, and things will just work. (Of course you won't have sbin in your path, but I always put /sbin, and /usr/sbin in my user's path any way.) You can always use xhosts to allow root, or screw with your enviroment.

    If you think the changes 6.0 vs 6.1 were bad just wait untill you see what happens /w 6.2;-) They are really starting to make an attempt at resolving their security issues. On the other hand it's kinda of annoying when you upgrade and discover they put ping in a new package. (This may not be true of the current public beta, but it was true of beta 2.)

    Some times I really feel a little sorry for Red Hat they get slammed for security if they leave things as is. Or they get slammed by users when something doesn't work the way it use to.
  • Actually 6.1 shipped with a pre 2.2.13 kernel. It was a stealth upgrade. Just check their kernel src.rpm. It contains patch-2.2.13pre12.gz. They've been shipping pre kernels for a long time.

  • PIGLET includes the following new features:
    - A new and improved Anaconda [tm] installer

    ...which failed to work on my system, unlike the one that shipped with 6.1 (which did look like it was working although later turned out not to have modded most of the config files that it should of (eg UK keyboard and Logitech mouse were installed as US keyboard and Generic 2-button mouse)).

    I dunno, these GUI installers look nice, but they're not going to impress any Windows converts until they actually do what they say they are doing :)

    Denny

    # Currently working on Linux UK [linuxuk.co.uk]

  • Ditto, upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1 broke my system completely...good thing I had my home directory and mp3 directory on separate partitions, so I just reformatted and reinstalled from scratch...

    I'm sitting out on this upgrade and instead just wait until XFree86 4.0 and 2.4 Kernel comes out, then buy a new computer.
  • Note the "." at the end of the username... Bruce did NOT write that comment, some idiot is trying to steal his identity using a very similar name to confuse readers. Just setting the record straight...
  • The user "Bruce Perens." with trailing "." is not me.

    Bruce

  • am, i know that, but you couldn't use fdisk if you chose the gui installer

  • This is an honest question:

    I always thought it was such a smooth move back when Mandrake first came out:

    "Red Hat with Fixes"

    My friends and I were like 'ooohhh.. how cheap.'

    But now... Mandrake is comming out BEFORE Red Hat. How can one make a 'Red Hat with Fixes' w/o seeing the latest Red Hat? Or have they finally morphed into their own solid distribution with its OWN custom fixes, etc.?

    BELOW IS OFFTOPIC:

    ---------------------------------------

    My last thing that anyone can respond to is: Whats to stop Microsoft from creating their OWN Linux distribution? My God, they have the money for it. Can you imagine?

    "Microsoft Linux 1.0 Professional"

    With that kind of marketing power, would that be a bad thing despite the GPL protecting Linux kernel? CAN Linux be destroyed by the 'If-You-Cant-Beat-Em-Join-Em' mentality? Please respond and thank you.

    War LMCTF.

    ++Om

  • where redhat6.1's similar program is only available for those who buy the software and get access to ftp://priority.redhat.com

    Actually, just change the update agent to point to ftp.redhat.com and it will work. The priority site just gives you a faster connection.
  • I was using VMware 1.1.? The bug was trying to unload its bridged networking kernel module caused a kernel panic on shutdown on my Debian 2.2 system. Ooops! kernel 2.2.15pre5 seemed to fix it.

    Then I installed VMware 2.0 beta and all is well there too...can't wait to abuse W2K with it.

  • Surely it's a 2.2.15pre(-release) version. I'm running 2.2.15-pre5 because it fixes a bug in vmware networking with 2.2.14. So far, pre5 looks pretty good, I haven't had any major problems.
  • It can cause massive damage and leave a general mess. It installs its own set of packages instead of looking at your RPM database and upgrading only the ones you actually have installed, allowing you to skip upgrading for specific packages you wish to keep at an older or customized version.

    I have upgraded my sytem from RedHat 5.2 to Mandrake 5.3 to RedHat 6.0 to RedHat 6.1 without any problems whatsoever - because I didn't use RedHat's installer.

    Instead, I boot single user, prepare a list of packages to upgrade using a set of quick-and-dirty scripts and just use rpm.

    It's best to check your list and dependencies using rpm -test `cat packagelist` before doing the actual upgrade.

    It is even quite easy to install a complete RedHat system without using RedHat's installer.


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  • i dont know about anyone else, but this I_RELEASE_A_NEW ver. of my distro. every few months is getting kinda out of control. i mean, how can anyone stay current? IMHO, if redhat is to keep on it is going to find some way of offering a simple - powerful way of keeping everyone together.

    "apt-get update"? *ducking*

    Jay (=
  • Also, does Red Hat support the Highpoint HPT366 ATA/66 chip?

    The HPT366 patch is in the 2.3.x kernels and will thus not be available until 2.4 is released. However, there are at least two ways for you to get access to your extra HDs without being forced to run a development kernel:

    1. Without rebuilding the kernel: Use the backward compatibility of the IDE controller and boot up LILO with a command similar to ide2=0xd800,0xd807. That'll force the kernel to detect whatever disk you have on the first HPT366 controller and you won't have to recompile the kernel. But you'll loose UDMA/66 and will have to do with the normal 33Mb/s transfer rate.
    2. Get the HPT366 patch from here [ntu.edu.tw], patch and rebuild kernel 2.2.14 and you're set to go.
    Check out the Linux HPT366 mini-HOWTO [ntu.edu.tw] for more information.
  • Yes it is. I am running 6.1 with updates from rawhide (== 6.2). Unless you have specific problems with 6.1 (some particular versions of packages) - 6.2 is not better. And you can always point your kpackage to ftp://rawhide.redhat.com/pub/rawhide/i386/RedHat/R PMS and just upgrade some packages that you want. Kde 2.0 and Xfree 4.0 will/b> be worth getting them thought.
  • if you're running X as a normal user, then usually by default only your username can connect to your Xwindows server. Read the man page on xhost, or for a quick and dirty (and insecure) fix, run `xhost +` as a normal user, and then try to run an xwindows program as root. xhost + lets anyone connect to your xserver.
  • Just out of curiosity, did you install using the updated RH6.1 boot disk and update disk. Booting off the CD or using the boot disk that came with the CD has some bugs. One of them I remember deals with your Lilo problem.

    Check below for the updated disks. http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHEA1999045-0 1.html
  • I upgraded last night from Redhat 6.0 to 6.1 and I ran there expert mode. Usually the expert mode lets one do more. Well this did not! It also installed lilo which is something I did not want to do since I use the NT bootloader on my dual boot machine. If it had recognized or warned me about the installation of lilo it would have been one thing, but it assumed I was a "know nothing about linux person" (newbie) and I am NOT. It also blew away my apache configuration and also changed permissions on my 'dev/ttyS2'. It really hosed my system up. If it were not for the fact that I have gained som much knowledge about administering and troubleshooting Linux systems, I'd be suing Redhat for pulling the same shit as Microsoft!

    It also has done something to X windows now. I usually am able to su - to root in an xterm and then export DISPLAY=:0.0. and run certain programs as root in X. Now I get xlib connection refused. I'M ROOT!!! How the hell can you refuse me a connection??????

    My next letter of complaint is going straight to them to let them know that I extremely disappointed in this release. They are becomming just like so many of the other crap companies that are selling Linux distros. They care less and less about the seasoned user and more and more about the newbie. While it is great that they care about the newbie, but they need to realize that when they hoze up someones system that they can really piss people off. Like ME!

    signed one dissatisfied Redhat 6.1 customer.

    send flames > /dev/null

  • I know its not the best way but the best way to fix this is to just add

    ' xhost 127.0.0.1

    in your .xinitrc or .xsession script. that way it will allow connections from other users on your system. Of course this means that other people will be able to popup windows on your desktop if they are loged into your machine. lots of fun if you have xroach installed :)

    ArsonSmith

  • As someone who's used every RedHat version since 4.2, I'm very aware that you can expect things to be broken from a RedHat upgrade period, even if it wasn't a non-official, beta release.

    Here's hoping they fixed that horrible graphical installer in 6.1, though.

    Cheers,
    ZicoKnows@hotmail.com

  • Why do you need libc symbols if you aren't debugging libc? Or do you often need to debug libc? I'm confused.
  • Here I was all set to download 6.1 to set up a little firewall for the office on one of the surplus machines and now the site's going to be slashdotted. I better find a good mirror before I lose access to the site altogether
  • 1. If Red Hat didn't want people to download it, they wouldn't have put it on a public FTP.

    2. As of 3:24PM PST, all of the mirrors i've checked have the new beta. If people aren't checking mirrors by now, they're either lazy or lame.

    3. If you don't like how /. does stories, start your own website. a
  • If I was trolling I would have asserted that bob young was the grits guy. I actually run red hat (have done so for ~ 4 years) and I don't think this is news - for nerds or anybody else. It's not like this is an official beta, there might not actually be a 6.2 release. If redhat does announce the beta, you can bet there will be another /. story on it.
    --Shoeboy
  • I don't know if they should be held guilty for inflating version numbers anymore. I am extremely surprised that they didn't follow Mandrake's jump to 7.0 (what justification was there for that?). Kudos to Redhat, I guess.
  • Yes, you can. Just edit rpmrc, add a new archflags line and change some of the buildarchtranslate lines (and make a /usr/src/redhat/RPM/i586 directory or something like that). The problem is that Mandrake ships with PGCC, which is a branch off of gcc, specifically aimed at Pentium, K6, on up and with good optimizations for those archs. Red Hat does not ship this, nor do they even have RPMs for it. GCC as it is in RH 6.1 (or so I've heard) doesn't have as much in the way of Pentium-optimizations. I've heard pgcc is a little flaky from various sources, though I've never varified it myself (well, many things were flaky for me when I tried it, but I can't rule out user error), plus Redhat now owns Cygnus, which is in charge of GCC proper, so they'll probably want to use the official version, I'd think.

    GCC 2.97 is supposed to have a better pentium backend, so I don't know how that will go. It may finally make sense for them to make i586 and i686 RPMs. Personally, I've recompiled GNOME, X, Python, and whatever new packages I get using GCC 2.97.1 and -march=pentium. It's not worth the days it would take to recompile everything. I'll live if xclock wastes some cycles it might not have.
  • Not really... it's just a pre-release kernel.
  • Sure it is, matter of fact it's downright rude to make an announcement that you know is going to impose a load on a company's service when they're making every attempt to distribute the load out to the mirrors so you can download it.

    How about looking at this from the service's point of view rather than wallowing in your own little world? ~dlb
  • I love news like this. This is why i hit slashdot like 50 times a day instead of going to cnn or abcnews.com or even cnet or wired... Because I like Geeky news, and I want to be on the cutting edge of things. Yeah, I could wait till Red Hat issues a press release on the subject, or until official word hits ZD-Net or some crap like that, but I'd rather be on the cutting edge of things.

    So, in short, for those of you complaining that this "isn't" news or saying that /. shouldn't report on every new software release or whatever, quit your damned complaining. If you don't like it, go read one of the sites mentioned above, live a boring life, you're obviously not "geeky" enough for Slashdot. Go somewhere else.

  • Every day we get a new beta :)

    (pity apt isnt installable atm, but thats what freezes are for, isnt it)

    * Yarn pokes mirror.ac.uk and decides to check if it has the required packages now
  • Rawhide is a rolling distribution -- it's never frozen-in-time as a snapshot and called a beta.

    You might call Piglet a snapshot of Rawhide. Or not.

    -E

  • Red Hat 6.1, aside from the stupid installer, actually wasn't bad from a quality perspective. Especially by contrast with Red Hat 6.0 :-). (Hint: I filled Bugzilla with bugs on RH 6.0... amazing thing was, all of'em were fixed for 6.1! I never had such behavior from Red Hat before!).

    I was unimpressed by Mandrake 7.0. It did not properly detect my sound card (Red Hat 6.1 did), and while the enhancements to KDE were appreciated, Red Hat's unenhanced KDE wasn't any harder to use once you dragged a few icons a'la Mandrake out onto the desktop. And Red Hat 6.1 comes with PostGreSQL support already pre-compiled into all the web languages (Python, Perl, PHP3), so that you can sit down and write database-enabled web applications without ever installing a single software package. (Hopefully Caldera 2.4 will do this with MySQL too). Mandrake 7.0 also doesn't come with OpenLDAP or pam_ldap.

    In short, Mandrake 7.0 wasn't much better than Red Hat as a workstation, was worse than Red Hat as a server (the most common use for Linux, after all), and I just didn't have much use for it.

    -E

  • IMHO, whenever the errata exceeds 50MB, an automatic version increment should occur.

    Let's face it: not everybody is on a T1. This will also encourage Red Hat to do it right the first time (witness the Apache upgrades for 6.1).

  • I don't know what the Slashdot policy on this is - it would probably be good to delete the user.

    Please don't moderate this up.

  • If you don't have a testbed server to play with 6.2, I suggest waiting a month until the product is officially released, then grab and install this; by this time, the major security bugs will have been found and errata'ed, and you'll know of any possible quirks in the install if you follow the right discussion boards.
  • Whasn't the beta releases named rawhide?

    What ever happened to the rawhide distrobution? Did they simply give up on the idea on rawhide, and now just name things beta?
  • The user "Bruce Perens." with the "." at the end of his name is not me.

    Bruce

  • That's the great thing about Linux, if it's not broke, or you don't need the latest hardware support, you can keep running what you have.

    True most of the time, perhaps. Every once in a great while you have to upgrade because of software, too.

    Case in point: I have been running RH5.2 happily for about a year, but I really really wanted to try out Mozilla. Of course, none of the recent builds are recommended for glibc2.0 (RH5.x), because of bugs that get fixed in 2.1. And nobody would build binaries for us little glibc2.0'ers, because what was the point? It wasn't stable anyway. I tried, but somewhere in the middle of the build I realized that clearing out over 600MB of space wasn't going to be enough, and dumped it. *sighs*

    So, I tried the upgrade to 6.1 yesterday. And somehow the FAT table on my poor DOS partition was destroyed. I swear, all I did was choose "upgrade." This being a work computer, it's important that I have a partition for Windows (even though I was able to run most of the apps via WINE).

    Anyway, now I'm flailing around, trying to get work done without anyone knowing that I've lost every ounce of my Windows stuff. Point is, sometimes you get lost in the cracks (like I did), and have to deal with either upgrading or actually falling behind. (But I learned my lesson: next time, I'm either going to do the install completely manually, or dump the whole thing and try Debian.) *smiles*

  • What are they doing at RH? With all the fiscal support they've been getting, I'd expect some pretty amazing advances in terms of installs and upgrades. Oh well. It's not my problem and I have nothing to contribute, so I'll just shut me gob!

  • Oh come on - it's not like this is a major ethical transgression on slashdot's part to announce that a new unannounced beta has been released.

    In fact, it's their bloody job. This is news on the internet, which means that time on the scale of hours is critical. Sure, it would be "nice" of slashdot to coordinate everything with Redhat, but they can't do that.

    I for one want to hear about these things as quickly as possible, because that's what slashdot is good at for me - speed. If I want to hear it after it's official and all the mirror sites have a copy, then I'll bloody well read a press release off of RedHat's site when they announce it.

  • The mirrors started syncing it since noon Central time yesterday, i snagged me a copy of the iso by 4pm, and the installer is much better than in 6.1
    This is what 6.1 installer should have been like. They finaly made an option for you to use fdisk instead of stinky diskdruid during the gui installation.

  • You just unplug the mouse and presto, text mode installer.
  • Check out the period "." at the end of the name. Slasdot guys, shouldn't this be grounds for cancellation of an account..?
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  • Before we begin with all the posts about how Red Hat is simply inflating their version numbers, etc, etc, let's take a moment to look at the past Red Hat release schedule...

    Oh yeah, comes out about every 6 months, like clockwork. That's a good thing, IMHO - if you want to stay on the cutting^H^H^H^ fairly sharp edge (and of course you don't HAVE to....) there it is, all wrapped up with a bow on it.
    ----
  • ALthough I use mandrake 7 and enjoy it greatly (as a client machine -- not so much as a server, as I prefer FreeBSD) -- you might want to get the supermount patch from freshmeat.net, and patch it into a vanilla 2.2.14 kernel. It should compile cleanly from that point on.

  • perhaps an account name should not be exactly the same as another with only punctuation or spacing as difference? a little intelligence in the name checking would go a long way.
  • Bah. This method truly SUCKS on remote hosts, because you must manually REVOKE the cookie afterward on the remote host. If several people can su root on that host, they can steal that cookie and keep it even if you revoke it. Whereas with xhost, at least I can remove the xhost access.

    I want to be able to xhost +COOKIE:LARGE-HEX-NUMBER, which I could just generate on the fly, then transfer to the remote end. When finished, I could just drop it from xhost, neatly revoking authorization. Steal the cookie all you want, it's useless now.

    At the very least, I'd at least like to just create new xauthority entries. try it yourself sometime with xauth generate. works exactly once, defeating the purpose.

    That would just all make sense ... which is why it's made impossible.
  • <i>It also has done something to X windows now. I usually am able to su - to root in an xterm and then export DISPLAY=:0.0. and run certain programs as root in X. Now I get xlib connection refused. I'M ROOT!!! How the hell can you refuse me a connection??????</i>

    You shouldn't need to export your display. As a user, enter "xhost +localhost" into your xterm. Be sure to then shut off access via "xhost -localhost" when you're done doing whatever it is you have to do.

    --Cycon
  • Or have they finally morphed into their own solid distribution with its OWN custom fixes, etc.?

    Well, Everyone's said this already, but since you asked. Mandrake isn't RedHat with KDE anymore. It is their own distribution, which just happens to use RPM as the package manager. Just like Corel isn't Debian "with fixes".

    Okay, this is really what I wanted to respond to.

    Whats to stop Microsoft from creating their OWN Linux distribution?

    Nothing, and who cares. I mean, if they do, and people use it, I won't need to. Sure maybe I'll lose out the ability to run some applications that are written for MS Linux, but I can't run MS Apps now anyways.

    I doubt Microsoft will ever release a Linux distribution. It just wouldn't be profitable for them. It goes strongly against their belief that people don't want "free software". However, I do think that they will make something to "compete" with Wine, so that their apps will run under Linux. But that'll only happen when they *know* that they've lost the market to Linux. At that time though, I forsee a "Windows for Linux" product on shelves. Just wait and see...

    -Brent
  • When I installed Mandrake 6.0 I noticed the same thing, but I made a small hack to Xsession to check for the existence of a file in $HOME and invoke the appropriate desktop. It seemed neither nontrivial nor nonobvious, but I suppose I can put up the details later (when I'm at home on my Mandrake box). :)



    This is my opinion and my opinion only. Incidentally, IANAL.
  • It seems that few people understood my point, but I think that you did. They seem to have changed to much, since 6.0 to 6.1. It scares me. My next upgrade is going to be from my own custom scripts. I'll be working on them now, so that I do not have to go through the hastle of testing there upgrades.

    send flames > /dev/null

  • ..connected.. I have a dial up and do not spend that much time on the internet... so my machine is virtually standalone... I will say this about 6.1 after recovering my system and getting the updates applies (there were alot!) It is nice to have xdm running and apache modules running again.. time to get some php3 going on my box.. for my 'mine' lan user.

    send flames > /dev/null

  • I upgraded last night from Redhat 6.0 to 6.1 and I ran there expert mode. Usually the expert mode lets one do more. Well this did not! It also installed lilo which is something I did not want to do since I use the NT bootloader on my dual boot machine. If it had recognized or warned me about the installation of lilo it would have been one thing, but it assumed I was a "know nothing about linux person" (newbie) and I am NOT. It also blew away my apache configuration and also changed permissions on my 'dev/ttyS2'. It really hosed my system up. If it were not for the fact that I have gained som much knowledge about administering and troubleshooting Linux systems, I'd be suing Redhat for pulling the same shit as Microsoft!

    It also has done something to X windows now. I usually am able to su - to root in an xterm and then export DISPLAY=:0.0. and run certain programs as root in X. Now I get xlib connection refused. I'M ROOT!!! How the hell can you refuse me a connection??????

    My next letter of complaint is going straight to them to let them know that I extremely disappointed in this release. They are becomming just like so many of the other crap companies that are selling Linux distros. They care less and less about the seasoned user and more and more about the newbie. While it is great that they care about the newbie, but they need to realize that when they hoze up someones system that they can really piss people off. Like ME!

    signed one dissatisfied Redhat 6.1 customer.

    send flames > /dev/null

  • yes I have heard of xhost+ and xhost-. The point is that they changed my system configureation and I had to reconfigure a whole bunch of things.

    I do have backups and I have been using Linux for many years myself. The fact that there installation did not ask me if I wanted to install lilo really pissed me off. If I did not know what I was doing I would not have just booted my system and done lilo -U to restore my nt boot and then reconfigure my system. My system is firewalled so I do not care about xhost+ enableing access to my system, becuase the port is closed to ALL except :0.0

    The issue is that Redhat's distro assumed that I wanted things there way, and did not let me do it my way, and thus I have to reconfigure a server now that causes downtime which if I were a buisiness it can cost money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    send flames > /dev/null

  • my system is firewalled so noone except users on :0.0 can run X. NOONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    send flames > /dev/null

  • ...or at least experiencing difficulties. Going to the main site [hackernews.com] yields a page which says

    [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    with a last updated stamp of 01/01/97.

    In light of the recent DoS stories I thought this might be interesting to some people.
  • Imagine someone sent this into slashdot:
    "I went to do an FTP install this morning and noticed a hidden folder under ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/sql containing tons of pre sp2 hotfixes for sql7.0. There is no official word yet from microsoft, but I'm downloading it right now. Might be nice to check out if you can grab it. "
    Would anyone care? Of course not. Cause it's not news.
    If you found a tcpdump log on the ftp server showing that bob young was the grits guy, that would be news. Finding a beta release 12 hours before a press release is issued isn't news.
    --Shoeboy
  • I think theres a reason they don't announce the beta right off the bat and it's probably (just maybe) so they can get the distribution out to mirrors so their core site doesnt get slammed.
    Jeezus, do you think we could be just a tad more responsible when making these kind of announcements?

    ~dlb
  • Don't use xhost +. That leaves your system open to anyone. Someone could start a hidden X program that looked at the keystrokes you were entering and snag your passwords. That's one of the reasons xterm has a secure keyboard mode.
  • 1) Nothing prevents microsft from doing this.. and though it seems wierd, they are welcome to do it.

    2) Adherence to open standards will still save us.
    Microsoft banks on all their proprietary software to keep people buying nothing but MS.
    If they were to bring out a linux platform, they would lose that edge. Anyone could develop apps...

    But what.. you say.. if MS uses the linux kernel, a full complement of linux apps, and then puts their own proprietary UI on it? Well... good for them. Is it X compatable? If not, it might not fly. If it is... that's just fine with me. What if they develop all their apps to require their proprietary GUI, and others do as well? Hmm... this is a bit outside of the OSS stuff we are use dto.. but they still don't control the back end. The choice of the MS GUI over others *would* be based on performance. If make a package that lets the windows destop work with linux behind the scenes... all the better for me. Developers would be *very* quick to use the image of a 'windows' platform with the ease of development of a unix backend to create some cool apps.

  • #1 wish of server operators: better administration tools. LinuxConf's GTK+ frontend is buggy and poorly designed from a user interface point of view. Occasionally the program exhibits other weird behaviors too (not changing things it said it would change, etc). And it's still not that comprehensive.
    Check out Corel's video settings tool in the KDE control center. THAT is something I've wanted for YEARS. Webmin, by the way, is much nicer to use than any form of LinuxConf right now. Really, though, I don't need for one tool to be comprehensive, but I DEFINITELY want a central location from which to configure things, even if some of those config utilities are command line. This is an area in which many commercial OSes surpass Red Hat, but it should also be a relatively easy part to fix (which is tougher, writing a nice config interface, or scaling to 32+ processors?). Please, please work on this.
    --JRZ
  • eh, come on.

    this is __news for nerds - stuff that matters__, not CNN, remember? what would /. be like if only news worthy of the title "real news" was posted.
    rather boring; and much like everything else i suppose.

    let's keep things nerdy

    /largo
  • Ahmen to that my brother. I watch the redhat-install mailing list and there were many problems with 6.1 when it hit the streets. I have stuck with 6.0... I might go with 6.2 ...I dunno. They have hopefully fixed all of the 6.1 bugs by now.

    Then again, my system is a running like a friggin tank on steroids, maybe I should just stick with 6.0 until I *need* to change. It's fun to try the new stuff, but I'm actually pretty happy that I'm not on that "forced* upgrade cycle anymore.

    That's the great thing about Linux, if it's not broke, or you don't need the latest hardware support, you can keep running what you have.
  • The kernel in 6.2 as per the mirrors is 2.2.15 .
  • I hate to break it to you, but the 6.1 installer has that option for both text and GUI too. You just have to install in expert mode to be given it.


    you can also get to it by having the X autoconfig fail. :-\
  • List the X authorization cookies:

    [nonroot@mymachine homedir]$ xauth list
    mymachine:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 LARGE-HEX-NUMBER-WHICH-IS-THE-COOKIE
    mymachine/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 PROBABLY-THE-SAME-LARGE-HEX-NUMBER

    Go root and add the authorization cookie to root's xauth file. Since you are on the same machine, and on the console, you want to copy the line that says mymachine/unix:0:

    [nonroot@mymachine homedir]$ su - root
    Password:
    [root@mymachine /root]# xauth add mymachine/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 LARGE-HEX-NUMBER

    Now, export display to the console:

    [root@mymachine /root]# export DISPLAY=:0

    Now everything should work.

    Although typing: xhost +localhost seems more economical, it opens you to "X attacks" by any one with login access to your machine (attacks such as popping whatever X programs on your screens or being able to know whatever programs are running on your X and killing them or sending any X events to them). Besides, some sensitive X programs (particularly those that are supposed to be run by root) simply refuse to run on displays with xhost +whatever-machine because of the unsafety descibed above.

  • Dude, that was the best trolling I've seen in a long long time -- I salute you!

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."

  • I believe you 8^)

    I checked install everything on Mandake, and it left me happy - sorry you didn't have the same experience.

    In terms of major distros:
    I can't remember what I used around kernel 1.0.x
    I used slackware starting in the early 1.2.13 days (pretty nice, especially for the time)
    Redhat led me into the 2.0.x days, after I had compared Slack and Redhat... then I started using Mandrake this past summer, and I was really impressed by some of the ups (and dissapointed by the downs of course). Haven't tried suse yet, though I've got the CD right here. Helped a couple people with Debian... but not a whole lot of personal use.

    Mandrake kept me happy, and I was able to do all the devel work that I needed to do w/o any extra effort. I tend to remove most default rpms after I start using them to roll my own for the newer releases (apache, anything that uses CVS). RedHat and Mandrake both contributed to my dislike of rpms, and life goes on.

    I wasn't trying to criticize you, or RedHat - again, just relating my experiences.

    (BTW - no distro has a good *default* install yet. Even with the 'workstation' and 'server' presets that some offer. This includes any version of windows, too 8^)
  • If Redhat's marketing make a thing about their installer being easy to use, and it blatantly isn't, then the poster might have a case. I don't think MS claim their *installer* is easy to use, so you probably can't get them on that.
  • I'm particularly interested in USB development.

    Also, does Red Hat support the Highpoint HPT366 ATA/66 chip?

  • It also installed lilo which is something I did not want to do since I use the NT bootloader on my dual boot machine. If it had recognized or warned me about the installation of lilo it would have been one thing, but it assumed I was a "know nothing about linux person" (newbie) and I am NOT

    I must say that is very stange. I have installed 6.1 on numerous machines (5 at least, including one this afternoon), and I always got a screen asking if I wanted to install LILO or not... it was at the same place it asked if you wanted to make a boot disk before it starts installing. All this was in the normal non-expert mode. However, I must note I've never upgraded from 6.0 to 6.1.

    I must note that on X-Windows, I've never had any problem su-ing and running programs (such as rp3-config) as root.

    If you're really unhappy, try FreeBSD or OpenBSD. BTW, don't let the rumors about OpenBSD being hard to install fool you. I did it this afternoon (OpenBSD 2.6) with very little trouble (the disk configuration program is confusing at first but it's not that hard). However, it didn't like the PCMCIA Ethernet card and the drive was promptly nuked for RH 6.1.
  • And the stable kernel is only 2.2.14! Better get Windows 95!
  • Even if it is not official yet, they're going to have a lot of traffic now...

    I can see the headlines : Another popular site victim of a DoS attack...

    -----

  • <I>I had replaced sendmail with postfix, and the upgrade stomped on it, reinstalling sendmail.</i>

    Then you did something wrong.
    You probably didn't rpm -e sendmail, so the installer saw sendmail was installed and needed to be updated.

    Or, you installed a broken postfix RPM that doesn't provide smtpdaemon, so the installer saw there's no smtpdaemon and resolved that dependency by installing sendmail.
  • We're currently working on it.
    If you've checked the beta, you've probably noticed the
    wuftpd-config
    printer-config
    apache-config
    squid-config
    firewall-config
    packages.
    They're a start. There will be a central tool for them all, but we probably won't finish it in time for 6.2.
  • We'd like to include OpenSSH - but the stupid RSA patent doesn't allow it.
  • In the mean time, you can download official Red Hat packages for both ssh and openssh from our German servers. ftp://ftp.redhat.de/pub/rh-addons/securi ty [redhat.de].
  • The 6.1 installer was indeed a bit rushed - little more than expectable, considering it was completely rewritten.
    6.2 fixes most known bugs.
  • <i>why does redhat insist on upgrading the sendmail even if this package was uninstalled</i>
    <br>
    Because you installed a broken qmail package.
    You need a package that Provides: smtpdaemon, or the installer will resolve that dependency by installing sendmail.
  • No, 6.2 is still with egcs for compatibility reasons.
    7.0 will have a current gcc (whatever is current by then - probably either 2.95.4, 2.96 or 3.0).
  • Well, I haven't tried this 6.2 beta yet, but after 6.1 I am starting to get more and more of the impression that it's going way too much Windows direction. It's no longer about understanding things and how they work, but rather about knowing "when it says this it in fact means this-and-that" and "if you want to do this (e.g. fdisk) you must pretend to do something else to get the first thing done". See also "Insert Driver disk", missing descriptions of packages in 6.1 text install, overall feeling of losing control over the installation of the system, unhelpful help (or none at all) etc..
    So in this light it's a piece of good news that the installer got better.
    To your "root in xterm" problem - just do xhost +root@localhost or something to that effect before you do your su, DON'T do xhost + as it could be pretty dangerous (anybody could send you an X client which would grab your keyboard, snoop your keys and whatnot)..
  • Try this:

    # export XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority

    (where user is the owner of the display you want to use - it's safer than xhost)

  • I have to admit, I don't understand enough of why this was - I just know it 'was'. when I would 'gdb -core core' and look around, I couldn't see even the line # (in my prog) where things crashed. and of course I built with '-g' on all my modules.

    and building with -g on glibc and linking with it (putting it in /etc/ld.so.conf) did provide the line #'s (and other symbols I needed - FROM MY APP).

    and repeating the same experiment on a redhat system I had at work also gave me line #'s in my gdb session. so go figure - but the truth remains; even when I specified 'install all' on both distros, redhat let me develop and DEBUG software whereas mandrake was too concerned with keeping the lib as fast and small as possible.

    --

  • RE: default install.

    on redhat, the default install is "install all". ie, everything that has an rpm. so whenever I have enough disk space (almost always) I check "install everything".

    so THAT wasn't the problem. again, it REALLY was mandrake - not me that was at fault.

    --

  • I played with mandrake 5.3, then 6.0. then, after realizing that they were more of an 'end user' desktop than a developer desktop, I switched back to redhat.

    what do I mean by this? when debugging even an ultra simple prog, there were no symbols in libc so my gdb session was essentially worthless. to prove it, I downloaded all of glibc (whew!) and built it (took hours on my dual celeron 466) - then linked my prog against that lib. voila! got my debugging symbols.

    emailed the mandrake team and they had little to say. so I jumped ship and went back to redhat.

    --

  • Built in Crypto. (Score:3)

    by jelwell ( 2152 ) on Wednesday February 09, 2000 @11:02AM (#1291520)
    From an Anonymous Coward, "DES sucks. Let's see Blowfish, RC4, RC2, Twofish, IDEA, RSA, 3DES, Safer, etc. on the standard, precompiled, linux distros (with the crypto source already in there too).
    I want to be able to create encrypted file systems right out of the box. It should even be an option in the setup program. That way, when the MPAA/RIAA kick down the door searching for copies of DeCSS or MP3s, you can just hit the power switch and be safe."
    What I wouldn't do for the ability to create an encrypted file system right out of the box. I'm so sick of hearing stories about Government granting searches of home computers. [startribune.com]
    Joseph Elwell.

  • Red Hat Announcement (Score:3)

    by roystgnr ( 4015 ) <roy&stogners,org> on Wednesday February 09, 2000 @02:06PM (#1291521) Homepage
    Since nobody else seems to have the full thing posted yet, and it's funny:

    Tired of collecting Beanie Babies and Pokemon cards?

    Christopher Robin called last night complaining about the lack of collectibles pertaining to the famous "Pooh" show. Eeyore, of course, said,
    "I dooon't knooow aboouuut this".... But what does Eeyore know anyway?

    The result:

    PIGLET

    This is no ordinary pig! Stand back folks, he's large and live and ready to rumble. This pig is knocking back CPU loads of 99 whilst having tea and crumpets with Pooh Bear. This bad boy eats Lizards for breakfast and spits out kernel patches. Approach with caution, he could be dangerous!

    PIGLET: Your once in a lifetime chance to have this rare collection!

    This is a limited time offer, when we run out of bits, they'll be gone forever. Don't miss out folks, the Internet lines are lighting up, they're going like hotcakes, and we can't guarantee availability on this item for very long! Similar items we have provided in the past are now going for over a ONE MILLION percent gain on the original price tag of $0.

    PIGLET includes the following new features:

    - A new and improved Anaconda [tm] installer
    - Partitionless installs
    - Improved X Configuration
    - Additional GUI Partitioning tool
    - Software RAID Configuration in Kickstart Installations
    - RAID upgrades
    - ATAPI Zip and Jaz Drive Recognition
    - Rescue Disk Improvements
    - It works!
    - Rescue via the installation CD
    - Pico on rescue disk
    - mtools on rescue disk
    - Kernel 2.2.15
    - Enhanced Software RAID
    - P III Enhancements
    - New web based High Availability Configuration Utility
    - Kerberos Integration
    - New Window Managers
    - New desktop backgrounds and themes
    - Docbook tools
    - Standard Samba mounts in /etc/fstab
    - Smaller minimal install
    - Separate client/server packages for servers:

    PIGLET, pick up this rare find at:

    ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat-6.2beta/

    Or at a mirror near you! A list of Red Hat ftp mirrors can be had via your web browser of choice at:

    http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.ht ml [redhat.com]

    PIGLET is available now for Intel, Sparc and Alpha architectures. PIGLET is ONLY available through the Internet, and ONLY for a limited time!. This is a beta release of Red Hat Linux, and we don't encourage using this for mission critical applications. However, like most Red Hat beta collectibles, it is very usable for:

    1) Testing those new holographic storage devices
    2) Installing on all of the machines in your favorite lab
    3) Seeing what that "Linux thing" is really all about
    4) Preparing your thesis on "Works in progress"

    We have created piglet-list for discussion of this beta release. To subscribe, merely send a message to piglet-list-request@redhat.com with the code word "subscribe" in the subject line, respond to the confirmation message request, and enjoy hours upon hours of entertaining and useful messages from hackers trying to make this thing fall down go *BOOM*...

    (With a special thanks to home shopping channels everywhere!)

  • But the imposter can simply create another account (Score:3)

    by cpeterso ( 19082 ) on Wednesday February 09, 2000 @09:17AM (#1291522) Homepage
    If Rob deletes the "Bruce Perens." account, then the imposter will simply create a new account. Deleting the account doesn't quiet him; it just gives him extra attention. At least we know the "Bruce Perens." account is fake and can warn other people.

  • Piglet (RH6..2-beta) details (Score:3)

    by Internet Ninja ( 20767 ) on Wednesday February 09, 2000 @01:35PM (#1291523) Homepage
    Just got the email from RedHat. Here's some features of what's new.
    PIGLET includes the following new features:
    - A new and improved Anaconda [tm] installer
    - Partitionless installs
    - Improved X Configuration
    - Additional GUI Partitioning tool
    - Software RAID Configuration in Kickstart Installations
    - RAID upgrades
    - ATAPI Zip and Jaz Drive Recognition
    - Rescue Disk Improvements
    - It works!
    - Rescue via the installation CD
    - Pico on rescue disk
    - mtools on rescue disk
    - Kernel 2.2.15
    - Enhanced Software RAID
    - P III Enhancements
    - New web based High Availability Configuration Utility
    - Kerberos Integration
    - New Window Managers
    - New desktop backgrounds and themes
    - Docbook tools
    - Standard Samba mounts in /etc/fstab
    - Smaller minimal install
    - Separate client/server packages for servers:

  • Re:This server is going to die... (Score:4)

    by Tower ( 37395 ) on Wednesday February 09, 2000 @08:55AM (#1291524)
    --More breaking news from the internet front: Today, RedHat (RHAT), popular linux distributors and mega-crazy IPO company, was hit by a world-wide DoS attack. This attack differed from the typica SYN-flooding attacks, where attackers open numerous bogus connections to a server. The attack was characterized by a massize amount of so-called 'FTP' clients, attempting to retrieve data from the server. 'FTP' is a know program that has been in existance for a long time, and is widely known. "We knew about FTP, and we thought we could protect against this type of occurence, but apparently, the effects were heightened by the 'slashdot effect'", said an unnamed source from RedHat.

    This is not the first time that a site has claimed to be 'slashdotted', and only one of many ever-increasing cases of this effect coupling with the always dangerous 'FTP'. Anonymous Coward comments, "yeah, d00dz - FTP can like, get stuff off of peoples hard disks and stuff. Ya know, like pictures of Natalie, and Don Knotts.. It r4vvkz!"

    The DoJ is now working with NSA on ways to prevent the dreaded 'slashdot effect', and curb use of the 'FTP' programs that are so widely spread around the Internet. "It's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it!" says Al Gore, self-proclaimed founder of the Internet, "We've been fighting these battles for years."

    In unrelated news...

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