Can someone give a summary of what this is really about?
Not the cover story about his statement about Minsky, that isn't enough to justify the bullying he is getting from a large section of the community now under the guise of inclusiveness (which seems kind of ironic). There must be something else that is going unsaid here to get this much pushback.
Really? you think him defending a pedophile and downplaying the crimes as not serious while also defending assault is an unjustfied reason to not want to be associated with him? wtf? Sure the reactions to what he said and did may have been extreme, but he said them, repeatedly and frankly in this day and age it is far better not to be associated with someone that thinks what he said is ok.
You feel that someone having sex with a seventeen year old, when he likely didn't know her age, and likely didn't intend to go to a retreat to have sex with _anyone_, is equivalent to having sex with a sexually undeveloped little child?
You feel that someone having sex with a seventeen year old, when he likely didn't know her age, and likely didn't intend to go to a retreat to have sex with _anyone_, is equivalent to having sex with a sexually undeveloped little child? i guess we know where you stand.
And as a middle aged or later man do you think it odd that when at a billionaire's private island, lets be very generous and say college freshman aged girls, are making sexual advances towards you? You don't think she might be operating with the "encouragement" of the billionaire host? I suppose it is your opinion that one is not supporting sex trafficking if one is not personally paying the "bill"?
Then again maybe its quite normal for the hot college freshman to be throwing themselves at old pudgy profe
Here is also a little fact that gets glossed over in all this: In quite a few US states, there is an unconditional legal age of consent of 16. With age restrictions on the age-gap, it goes down to 11 (!) in some states. So, no, a 16 year old is not a "child".
Here is also a little fact that gets glossed over in all this: In quite a few US states, there is an unconditional legal age of consent of 16.
In very few states, and often with very narrow age restrictions. We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply.
Here is also a little fact that gets glossed over in all this: In quite a few US states, there is an unconditional legal age of consent of 16.
In very few states, and often with very narrow age restrictions. We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply.
Nope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] I count 18 states with an legal age of consent of 16 that has _no_ restrictions on the age-gap. The one with the age-gap restrictions goes down to 11 in two states, but there are many with 13 or 14.
On other words: You either have absolutely no clue what you are talking about or you are lying.
Or I can do math and realize 18/50 are not good odds.
Will you also keep your lie up and claim that 18/50 (i.e. 36%) are "very few" and ignore that if you also count relationship and age-gap restrictions, merely 7 states require people to be 17 or 18 in order to legally have sex?
Or I can do math and realize 18/50 are not good odds.
Will you also keep your lie up and claim that 18/50 (i.e. 36%) are "very few" and ignore that if you also count relationship and age-gap restrictions, merely 7 states require people to be 17 or 18 in order to legally have sex?
Those age group restrictions do NOT work in the RMS honest mistake context. Your own citation specifically says the laws do not protect large differences in age and that they are becoming even more strict in this sense.
You wrote "We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply."
I just illustrated how wrong you are here, also because this is a common misconception. Now college professors that actually teach somebody may indeed not apply, but that is not because of age, but because they are in a position of power.
That you now move the goalposts just shows that you know you are wrong but cannot admit it.
You wrote "We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply."
I just illustrated how wrong you are here,...
Except that your very own citation confirms what I said. That the laws do not protect large differences in age and that they are becoming even more strict in this sense.
You wrote "We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply."
I just illustrated how wrong you are here,...
Except that your very own citation confirms what I said. That the laws do not protect large differences in age and that they are becoming even more strict in this sense.
It does not. Maybe you have some reading-comprehension issues?
You wrote "We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply."
I just illustrated how wrong you are here,...
Except that your very own citation confirms what I said. That the laws do not protect large differences in age and that they are becoming even more strict in this sense.
It does not. Maybe you have some reading-comprehension issues?
Nope. From the citation, age differences:
"In most states there is not a single age in which a person may consent, but rather consent varies depending upon the minimum age of the younger party, the minimum age of the older party, or the differences in age. Some states have a single age of consent.[58] Thirty U.S. states have age gap laws which make sexual activity legal if the ages of both participants are close to one another,[114] and these laws are often referred to as "Romeo and Juliet laws".[109] Other states have measures which reduce penalties if the two parties are close in age, and others provide an affirmative defense if the two parties are close in age."
From the citation, becoming more strict:
"The laws were designed to prosecute people far older than the victims rather than teenagers close in age; therefore prosecutors rarely pursued teenagers in relationships with other teenagers even though the wordings of the laws made some close-in-age teenage relationships illegal. After the 1995 Landry and Forrest study concluded that men aged 20 and older produced half of the teenage pregnancies of girls between 15 and 17, states began to more stringently enforce age-of-consent laws to combat teenage pregnancy in addition to prevent adults from taking advantage of minors."
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What is this really about? (Score:5, Insightful)
Can someone give a summary of what this is really about?
Not the cover story about his statement about Minsky, that isn't enough to justify the bullying he is getting from a large section of the community now under the guise of inclusiveness (which seems kind of ironic). There must be something else that is going unsaid here to get this much pushback.
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You feel that someone having sex with a seventeen year old, when he likely didn't know her age, and likely didn't intend to go to a retreat to have sex with _anyone_, is equivalent to having sex with a sexually undeveloped little child?
i guess we know where you stand.
Yeah, normal for college freshman to throw ... (Score:2)
You feel that someone having sex with a seventeen year old, when he likely didn't know her age, and likely didn't intend to go to a retreat to have sex with _anyone_, is equivalent to having sex with a sexually undeveloped little child? i guess we know where you stand.
And as a middle aged or later man do you think it odd that when at a billionaire's private island, lets be very generous and say college freshman aged girls, are making sexual advances towards you? You don't think she might be operating with the "encouragement" of the billionaire host? I suppose it is your opinion that one is not supporting sex trafficking if one is not personally paying the "bill"?
Then again maybe its quite normal for the hot college freshman to be throwing themselves at old pudgy profe
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Here is also a little fact that gets glossed over in all this: In quite a few US states, there is an unconditional legal age of consent of 16. With age restrictions on the age-gap, it goes down to 11 (!) in some states. So, no, a 16 year old is not a "child".
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Here is also a little fact that gets glossed over in all this: In quite a few US states, there is an unconditional legal age of consent of 16.
In very few states, and often with very narrow age restrictions. We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply.
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Here is also a little fact that gets glossed over in all this: In quite a few US states, there is an unconditional legal age of consent of 16.
In very few states, and often with very narrow age restrictions. We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply.
Nope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
I count 18 states with an legal age of consent of 16 that has _no_ restrictions on the age-gap.
The one with the age-gap restrictions goes down to 11 in two states, but there are many with 13 or 14.
On other words: You either have absolutely no clue what you are talking about or you are lying.
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Or I can do math and realize 18/50 are not good odds.
Will you also keep your lie up and claim that 18/50 (i.e. 36%) are "very few" and ignore that if you also count relationship and age-gap restrictions, merely 7 states require people to be 17 or 18 in order to legally have sex?
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Or I can do math and realize 18/50 are not good odds.
Will you also keep your lie up and claim that 18/50 (i.e. 36%) are "very few" and ignore that if you also count relationship and age-gap restrictions, merely 7 states require people to be 17 or 18 in order to legally have sex?
Those age group restrictions do NOT work in the RMS honest mistake context. Your own citation specifically says the laws do not protect large differences in age and that they are becoming even more strict in this sense.
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You wrote "We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply."
I just illustrated how wrong you are here, also because this is a common misconception. Now college professors that actually teach somebody may indeed not apply, but that is not because of age, but because they are in a position of power.
That you now move the goalposts just shows that you know you are wrong but cannot admit it.
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You wrote "We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply."
I just illustrated how wrong you are here, ...
Except that your very own citation confirms what I said. That the laws do not protect large differences in age and that they are becoming even more strict in this sense.
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You wrote "We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply."
I just illustrated how wrong you are here, ...
Except that your very own citation confirms what I said. That the laws do not protect large differences in age and that they are becoming even more strict in this sense.
It does not. Maybe you have some reading-comprehension issues?
Re:Yeah, normal for college freshman to throw ... (Score:2)
You wrote "We're talking HS senior / HS sophomore sort of age restrictions. Middle aged or older college professors need not apply."
I just illustrated how wrong you are here, ...
Except that your very own citation confirms what I said. That the laws do not protect large differences in age and that they are becoming even more strict in this sense.
It does not. Maybe you have some reading-comprehension issues?
Nope. From the citation, age differences:
"In most states there is not a single age in which a person may consent, but rather consent varies depending upon the minimum age of the younger party, the minimum age of the older party, or the differences in age. Some states have a single age of consent.[58] Thirty U.S. states have age gap laws which make sexual activity legal if the ages of both participants are close to one another,[114] and these laws are often referred to as "Romeo and Juliet laws".[109] Other states have measures which reduce penalties if the two parties are close in age, and others provide an affirmative defense if the two parties are close in age."
From the citation, becoming more strict:
"The laws were designed to prosecute people far older than the victims rather than teenagers close in age; therefore prosecutors rarely pursued teenagers in relationships with other teenagers even though the wordings of the laws made some close-in-age teenage relationships illegal. After the 1995 Landry and Forrest study concluded that men aged 20 and older produced half of the teenage pregnancies of girls between 15 and 17, states began to more stringently enforce age-of-consent laws to combat teenage pregnancy in addition to prevent adults from taking advantage of minors."