Ever since I learnt that the Red Hat management never used anything Linux on their desktops , I've considered them to be without true skin in the game. They did and do earn money, but part of that is through their strategy of getting Poettering to develop stuff that somehow gets gobbled up by many smaller distribution makers, like SystemD and PulseAudio. The latter took years to fill its boots, and last time I looked into the promise of networked audio, it put my WiFi on the handbrake so much it could only
Systemd does wrap itself around SysV init scripts and try to manage them: I've not worked with Gentoo in some time, but I believe that is how it is handling daemons that still lack systemd configurations.
Systemd does wrap itself around SysV init scripts and try to manage them: I've not worked with Gentoo in some time, but I believe that is how it is handling daemons that still lack systemd configurations.
Gentoo absolutely does not use systemd.
It is an option which is disabled by default, but I've not seen a Gentoo system that has taken that option up. My own Gentoo boxes do not and they work fine without it (or pulseaudio for that matter).
Hello, fuckwit. You said "it's too late to block systemd" I pointed out that there is a Linux distro that doesn't even depend on it. I'm not sure where in the world "can't be blocked" equates to "is not installed by default" but maybe that's where you live.
Does the fact that I can choose to install Steam on my Gentoo system mean that it "depends" on Steam?
I still run WindowMaker myself. My wife uses Mate when she logs in, I think. I never liked Gnome so I don't avoid it because of systemd; in fact I didn't know it was an issue.
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Red Hat aren't true friends of Linux and Free Soft (Score:5, Insightful)
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> As to SystemD, let me look back in 5 years, it's too early...
Some of us would lament that it's too late to block systemd.
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> As to SystemD, let me look back in 5 years, it's too early...
Some of us would lament that it's too late to block systemd.
Gentoo does not use systemd and works fine.
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According to the Gentoo wiki, I'm afraid you're mistaken. Gentoo may not rely exclusively on systemd, but it's installed and enabled.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/S... [gentoo.org]
Systemd does wrap itself around SysV init scripts and try to manage them: I've not worked with Gentoo in some time, but I believe that is how it is handling daemons that still lack systemd configurations.
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According to the Gentoo wiki, I'm afraid you're mistaken. Gentoo may not rely exclusively on systemd, but it's installed and enabled.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/S... [gentoo.org]
Systemd does wrap itself around SysV init scripts and try to manage them: I've not worked with Gentoo in some time, but I believe that is how it is handling daemons that still lack systemd configurations.
Gentoo absolutely does not use systemd.
It is an option which is disabled by default, but I've not seen a Gentoo system that has taken that option up. My own Gentoo boxes do not and they work fine without it (or pulseaudio for that matter).
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> Gentoo absolutely does not use systemd.
> It is an option which is disabled by default
Forgive me, but "disabled by default" is not the same as "absolutely does not". To quote Inigo Montoya:
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means,
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Hello, fuckwit. You said "it's too late to block systemd" I pointed out that there is a Linux distro that doesn't even depend on it. I'm not sure where in the world "can't be blocked" equates to "is not installed by default" but maybe that's where you live.
Does the fact that I can choose to install Steam on my Gentoo system mean that it "depends" on Steam?
Now piss off.
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I run Gentoo without systemd. Very happily.
But it's not without at least one consequence, which is minor for my use case, but YMMV:
It becomes really difficult to run Gnome. (In spite of things like elogind.) It is technically possible, I think, but I never managed to make it work.
For my needs, a lighter-weight desktop like Xfce4 works better anyway, though, again, YMMV.
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I still run WindowMaker myself. My wife uses Mate when she logs in, I think. I never liked Gnome so I don't avoid it because of systemd; in fact I didn't know it was an issue.