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VMWare Beta Release 213

Posted by CmdrTaco from the multitask-this dept.
Ever want to Multitaks operating systems? Thomas Reagan has the answer for us- he says " VMWare for Linux Beta is out! Go to the homepage to download it! " Any of you who saw this have been pretty impressed. If I actually ran a different OS, I'd consider it. (now if only vmare.com had real bandwidth)
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  • Reload this kid's screenshots page a lot.
    :-)
  • Rather than downgrading Glibc, just remove the "#include " line in driver.c. It worked for me. Credit goes to another thread where some kind fellow posted patches, and I just skimmed through them and found this...

  • whoa. (Score:1)

    by Fict ( 475 )
    First I just wanted to say that you are my new hero :) Anyhow the site is dead beyond any comprehension... I don't suppose you could put that liscense key up if you still remember it? The important thing tho, can I play half life? :)
    Thanks SO much :)
  • No, you can't move windows outside the box.

    Winmodems won't work; You connect with the linux dialer and the VM's adapter uses it (it doesn't go in the other direction).
  • The licence (which is how they choose to apply their COPYRIGHT) is fine.

    A software patent (which has nothing to do w/ the licence or copyright) prevents other folks from independantly developing anything using the same technique. THIS is evil (if you question this, read some LPF publications for a very good explanation of why).

    Get a clue before you flame.
  • It's lower level than the OS, so of course it can do DX6 and Win98 -- and it'll be able to run DX7 and W2K every bit as well when they come out.

    Not so sure 'bout the joystick, though.
  • I was referring to the target OS.
  • Posted by stodge:

    I wonder how it compares to Win 9x for performance. In particular Office, Quicken and games. Also I wonder how good the Direct X (6.1?) support is. I imagine a lot of people only use Windows for games, finance and Office. I know there are alternatives on Linux for Office and finance, but IMHO they're not as good. If someone has installed this thing, please post info on running games.
  • The closest open-source equivalent would be "Bochs", which you can find at freshmeat.net.
  • ...but not $300, for something that:
    • Is closed-source
    • Won't run OS/2
    • Doesn't work with mcopy or traditional disk images/disk tools
    $300 is just way too much. I don't need it that bad.
  • Already went through that hell...

    And it's not that I can't necessarily afford to spend $300. It's just that it's not *worth* $300, IMO.

  • If it can run Corel Draw reasonably well I'll reformat my Windows box tonight!


    Any word on performance? How does this thing actually work (does it interpret the machine code or execute it somehow)?
  • Also, you can add your regular login to the "disk" group, as they suggest, to be able to not run it as root. Obviously, you can play with the perms any way you see fit...
  • You can sort of run Linux from the same partition as the host OS, but you *must* not mount any shared partitions read/write. There may be some issues with Linux in the VM getting confused by the Linux host changing the filesystem, but it works OK for me... Having both Linux's writing to the same partition would be disastrous, though.
  • It doesn't look like the guest OS gets to play directly with the hardware; instead, it is emulated and native drivers are used. Doing it this way avoids conflict between the two drivers, but it also means that you can't use drivers in the guest OS to access hardware that the host OS doesn't support.
  • I was wondering if it would be useful to run Linux as guest on top of a Linux host, in order to do kernel development in the Linux guest, protected from crashes. Of course, you couldn't do much device driver development since there are not many devices in the virtual machine.

    I find it strange that some OS's such as Beos and OS/2 are not supported. If they really provide a clean well-defined virtual machine, every x86 operating system should run in it, no?

    Overall, it think it's good that it's so expensive. Suits don't mind paying through the nose, and the rest of us should support free and non-patented technologies anyway.

    --

  • I wish they did. Running Warp 4 under Linux would be *too* cool. :-) Then I *could* use the WPS on a Linux box!! :-)
    --
    -Rich (OS/2, Linux, Mac, NT, Solaris, FreeBSD, BeOS, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
  • But it's lower level than the guest OS, which is what matters here.

    Daniel
  • I don't see why it shouldn't support BeOS, since it works (as far as I can tell) by emulating computer hardware rather than software. You just wouldn't get the 'snazzier' features (like video acceleration through their custom drivers)

    Daniel
  • It won't have any effect on wine, they're different types of programs with different goals and different strengths. It might actually help since the Wine DirectX developers can now set up a virtual Linux machine to test on (so if X falls over they can keep going) ;-)

    Daniel
  • Hmm, it worked for me. I got this one time though, try doing make clean and deleting the include files (linux/modversions.h and another one) that the makefile added.

  • Bleah (Score:1)

    by Daniel ( 1678 )
    After all the trouble I went to, booting Win95 gives me the logo screen, and then vmware dies with 'NOT_IMPLEMENTED'. I tried emailing what it asked for to support@vmware.com and got back a procmail error. Heh. Cute idea, but totally broken as far as I can tell if it doesn't even survive the boot process. (if I sound a little critical it's because I spent all afternoon fighting with it, trying to get it to boot)

    OTOH, booting the Debian install disk under Debian was kinda fun for a few seconds.

    Daniel
  • Do you have another drive installed that vmware can't see? LILO tries to access all drives with images on startup and dies noisily (with 01010101010101) if one is missing.

    Daniel

  • It's time to go back to basic sources. The United States Constitution [nara.gov], Article I, Section 8, states:

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; ....
    (Emphasis added---see your local social contract for other countries.)

    It's not about an inventor's ownership---there is no ownership of ideas, nor even any limits on use except as society has decided it's to its advantage to allow such.

    The advantage posited is that if society offers remuneration to those who come up with new ideas, we'll get more such ideas, and civilization will advance that much more rapidly. (I'm all in favor of penicillin and contact lenses, myself.) The remuneration is in the form of a monopoly on use of the idea (for a limited time), allowing the thinker to make money on it before others get a shot at copying it.

    This was a Good Thing for ideas that took years of sweat, tons of metal, and a lot of limited and expensive resources to develop, like, say, Bessemer furnaces, safety pins, and leading-shoe brakes. If the idea wouldn't be implemented without a pay-back for the thinker, society was less likely to reap its benefits. So, we say (for patents) ``Here, tell us what your idea is, document it for all to see, and in return for that openness we'll help you make money from it---not because you have any ownership of an idea, but because we'll get the benefit of having it sooner, and letting other thinkers build on it.''

    The vital concept here is that patents are for the good of society, not the person with the idea. If an idea is most likely going to be developed anyway, there's no social benefit to limit use of it. Further, software is one of the most likely areas for ideas to be developed without monopoly, simply because coding is cheap, attracts thousands (millions?) of people, and is the most fun you can have with your clothes on. If one hacker doesn't generate a given idea, there'll be another one along in a minute.

    Unfortunately, over the decades, people got (remained?) greedy, and specialized enough to have never studied their own history, and so began to think that an idea, of all things, could have an owner, and that it was their right to have a monopoly and control access to the idea.

    Look back on the development of software: in the past 60 years is there any evidence that its progress has been hampered by people afraid to develop ideas for lack of protection? Hah! Never in the history of technology has a field advanced so rapidly or been so fecund, and most of it has been due to the open availability of ideas. Until the 1980s no one could patent software, and copyright seemed to work quite nicely, thank you. Now, unfortunately, we have people who think that because they spent a year or two on an idea, they should be allowed to prohibit anyone else from using the idea, even though it's hardly novel, or even notably hard---tedious in reducing to a useful form, but no more.

    So, someone building a virtual machine (which IBM made mega-bucks on in the '60s and '70s [and may be still, for all I know]) cannot be allowed to say ``I'm the only person who can use this idea for the next 17 years'' (or is it up to 20 now?) when the same idea has occurrred to anyone who's written an emulator.

    Applying protection to ideas that would be developed anyway is a net loss (it slows, not speeds technical advances) and thus is not intended by patent law. For more background and analysis, check out the League for Programming Freedom's web site [mit.edu], and remember---you can't own an idea, and you can't even limit its use unless society thinks it'll get something back for allowing such limits.

  • "a few things: vmware doesn't run off of your actual windows partition, it makes a "virtual disk drive" (basically a really big file called win95.dsk or something) for you."

    I wonder if it's possible to make your own image of your existing hard drive using dd if=/dev/hd? of=/win95.dsk

    A guy can dream, can't he?
  • I tried BeOS R4.0 (I have a 4.1 beta at home that I haven't tried yet, but don't expect any different results). The floppy boots up to "Examining disks..." then displays the empty "Rescan for boot volumes" screen. No matter how many times I choose "rescan", it never finds the Be CD-ROM. If I hold down F1 while booting and check the BeOS debugging that comes out of COM1 (which VMWare conveniently lets me redirect to a file), I see:

    cam_load_modules...
    cam: attempting to load 'busses/scsi/buslogic/v1' (internal)
    buslogic: sim_install()
    buslogic: no controller found
    cam: module 'busses/scsi/buslogic/v1' cannot be loaded
    cam: attempting to load 'busses/scsi/aic78xx/v1' (internal)
    adaptec: sim_install()
    adaptec: no controller found
    cam: module 'busses/scsi/aic78xx/v1' cannot be loaded
    cam: attempting to load 'busses/scsi/53c8xx/v1' (internal)
    symbios: sim_install()
    symbios: no controller found
    cam: module 'busses/scsi/53c8xx/v1' cannot be loaded
    Creating startup devices...
    flo_init: problem creating cylinder buffer area
    IDE PCI -- find_devices: intel 82371AB (PIIX4) chipset
    IDE PCI -- find_devices: controller supports DMA
    IDE PCI -- create_prd_table_area: couldn't create dma table area
    IDE PCI -- find_devices: disabled dma
    IDE PCI -- create_prd_table_area: couldn't create dma table area
    IDE PCI -- find_devices: disabled dma
    IDE -- send_ata: drive select failed no device
    IDE -- send_ata: drive select failed no device
    IDE PCI -- find_devices: intel 82371AB (PIIX4) chipset
    IDE PCI -- find_devices: controller supports DMA
    IDE PCI -- create_prd_table_area: couldn't create dma table area
    IDE PCI -- find_devices: disabled dma
    IDE PCI -- create_prd_table_area: couldn't create dma table area
    IDE PCI -- find_devices: disabled dma
    IDE -- send_ata: drive select failed no device
    IDE -- send_ata: drive select failed no device
    cam: B_MODULE_INIT
    ---> publish_devices_dsk has no devices

    and the VMWare log file says:

    Mar 15 16:26:22: Booting Virtual Machine
    Mar 15 16:26:22:
    Mar 15 16:27:03: VIDE: (0x1F0) OUTB Cmd 0xA1, Erroring Invalid ATA on drive 0
    Mar 15 16:27:38: DISK: ROOT COWDisk /vmware/BeOS/BeOS.dsk (433/15/63)
    Mar 15 16:27:41:
    MainPowerOff-- Shutting down devices

    I'll send this info to VMWare and see what they have to say. If anyone at Be sees this message and would like to comment, that would be cool too. I *will* buy this program if it supports BeOS. Being able to keep up with the latest BeOS happenings without having to leave the comfort of Linux is well worth $300 to me. Of course, even without BeOS support, I may still buy VMWare, it's just that cool!

    -Jake

  • wow (Score:1)

    by Fandango ( 2618 )
    Hmm, you probably won't be able to run Cakewalk considering it doesn't support MIDI yet.

    -Jake
  • NT4 installed in about 10 minutes and flies in VMware, while the Win98 install is taking *forever* (60 minutes!). My guess is that the emulator, like the Pentium Pro, is far better at running 32-bit code than 16-bit...

    -Jake
  • 500 Server Error

    The hard transfer limit for this user has been reached

  • wow (Score:1)

    by tgd ( 2822 )
    This is quite a bit of code... Something new? Probably not, but its pretty slick none the less. Very quick on here, Win98 and Win95 installed without a hitch, both seem to work fine, all the apps I've tried have worked.

    There's some wierd little bugs with the mouse cursor in X when running their device drivers under Windows... my netscape window is overlapping the VMware one right now, if I put the mouse in the window its on the windows desktop until I pull it completely out of the partially hidden VMWare window, then it appears on top of netscape.

    Everything else seems to work... $300 is kind of pricey considering I can buy a new PC for a bit more than that, but if I can get it to run Cakewalk, I might even spend $300...

    I bet they'd sell a lot of them to people who want to run Linux primarily but need Win95 for some various things, if it was a bit cheaper. $150 seems more reasonable given the $399 cost of those new E-Machine PC's.
  • Hehe, that's also the only reason I keep a win98 partition on my system. Unfortunately I don't think DVD will work wwith VMWare, at least not with this beta version. It's supports CDROM only I think (via a NECVmware sort of driver, internally). I've also not seen any ioport region protection/visibility configurations so I doubt you'll get to the MPEG decoder card...

    C'mon SIGMA! Linux driver, pleeaaase :)

    -Adnans
  • Installing the vmware-tools made all the difference for me. I'ts now running acceptibly in a 1152x900 window off a virtual hardisk..

    -Adnans
  • They got slashdotted pretty damn quick- about 10 or so minutes- anyone got access to set up mirrors (or does the licensing of the beta disallow that sort of distribution?)?
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  • Mirrors (Score:1)

    by Spock ( 3286 )
    Beware! The DotSlash(TM) effect!!

    *grin*

  • We should all donate massive massive harddrives so that way rob can mirror a site before posting it :-)

    Ok... Atleast enough room to mirror the starwars trailers.

    Mike
    derGott
    "It takes 42 muscles to frown, but it only takes 4 to pull the trigger of a finly tuned sniper rifle."

  • Hm... (Score:1)

    by adder ( 3667 )
    Is it just me, or has someone who is running the SCSI-over-IDE kernel setup had problems getting this to be able to access the cdroms?

    First I was getting this error:
    PowerOn
    CDROM: Verify Ioctl '/dev/cdrw' failed: 'No Medium Found'

    So then on the off chance that it needed a cd in the drive, I put one in....

    PowerOn
    CDROM: Verify Ioctl '/dev/cdrw' failed: 'Operation not supported'

    I'm guessing it's because of the IDE-SCSI setup I have going on.
  • Interix (www.interix.com) have something similar to run Unix/Linux apps on NT.

    In what way is Interix, a product that provides a UNIX-compatible environment under NT, letting you compile source code for UNIX applications and run the resulting binaries under NT, "similar" to something that provides a virtual machine in which you can run a complete foreign operating system's binary code, including kernel-mode code?

    (No, you can't run binaries from a UNIX-flavored system under Interix; the Interix FAQ [interix.com] says as much in the section "The INTERIX Environment":

    Can I run any of my UNIX applications with INTERIX?

    INTERIX doesn't allow you to take UNIX binaries (Linux/BSD/SCO/AIX etc.) and run that binary on a Windows NT system. The INTERIX Software Development Kit is a source level tool that allows you to take existing open systems source code and recompile the source code into a native NT binary with little or no effort.

    )

  • vmnet is there to provide the networking interface... I suppose you could use the ethertap device to get a similar setup, but they have bridging/private network/routed network in one.

    From a quick readthrough, looks like their vmmon kernel module is largly to allow linux to run in inside itself... lots of vmLinux structures allocated. Anyway, it's a good read.

    --Dan
  • I'm downloading it right now, but in the meantime, does anyone know if it supports DVD drives? I don't have a MPEG2 decoder code, so right now I have to reboot to Win98 to do software DVD decoding. It would be great if this worked in linux.
  • Surely you jest?

    Are you one of these lucky people who lives a 25-hour 8-day week?
  • Especially 4.0 or 4.1?
    What happens when you do?
  • $300 is about what it will cost me to upgrade my hardware, and I could never afford to spend that for any software program. Large businesses or corporations that use it could, and probably would though. They mention there might be a student discount on their FAQ sheet, perhaps there's still hope.

    They could make the big money off the big guys, and just let us individuals 'bug test' it for a small fee, like $100 bucks or so.

    It'd certainly become far more widespread then...
  • Go follow the link... they have a mirror link on the "Hard Limit Reached" notice! ;)

    Let's ./ that server too!

  • The 2.2.1 module included with the program was compiled with modversions, whereas the 2.0.32 one wasn't. So, I tried compiling my own module. Well, it checked for kernel 2.1, but that meant it thought 2.2 was 2.0. I have patched it, and now, it compiled in insmod was able to complete. I need to do some more testing, to make sure it doesn't bring down my box, and clean up the patch, before I release my mods.
  • [novare.net]
    http://mirror.novare.net/~adam/vmware/
  • VM are old. A VM letting a OS run in top of another OS is not a new idea. So...What's new?

    I have to say that it's nice to see it running, but let's call things by it's name.
    I'm waiting for the BeOS version...should I sit down?
  • Yeah, I have networking running on a virtual NT4 on RH5.2 + kernel 2.2.1 on a dual P-II 400. It got an address from my DHCP server and just ran. I even installed the Novell client software, and now I can get to all my company's production servers. I installed Delphi 4 on the NT4 virtual box, and I can't really notice a performance difference between this and Delphi running on my PII-300 notebook. The only thing is that window updates are a bit slow sometimes. It seems quite stable, too--I have yet to see it fail in any way.

    Also, as to the idea that $300 is too much--it depends on who they're targeting. In my case, anything under $500 my boss can and will sign for if it seems cool. I wouldn't pay $300 for it personally, but it's chump change to any reasonable IT department. At least until you start trying to deploy it to hundreds of desktops.

    Even then, I could justify $30,000 on support costs for 100 machines if I could claim noticeable stability improvements. Of course, I can't in this case, because a desktop user running Windows on real hardware is not going to improve stability by running Windows on virtual hardware. Sure, Linux keeps running underneath, but so what?

    I'll certainly get a copy for myself, though...

    -Graham
  • Hm.. pretty cool, but $300 USD.

    I just put a Celeron300A/BX98/65MB/32xCDROM system together for $400. Canadian, that's about $275 US.

    I can Install w95/98/NT/Lunux/Solaris/OS2. Whatever.

    I even use VNC and xWin32 to be able to get at either OS. It's great!
  • as cool as their software is, they're trying to patent it, which is stupid.
    the idea of virtual machines is ancient. sub-OS-level virtual machines occured to me, like probably every other programmer worth a dime, when i was about seventeen.
    i even had my 386 dual-booting DOS using someone else's (free) software.
  • just a little IP MASQ and Routing magic and i bet it would work. I cant test it right now as i am unable to get vwware working (dosnt like my libc5 x libs *i think*)
  • This thing sucks!! It hard locks my box everytime no matter how I configure it. I can't even telnet in from another box.

    Guess I'll wait for the next beta.
  • I'm getting the same problem.

    I'm running 2.2.3 on a debian system.

    What is the remedy?
  • Well, how bout you post your .cfg so those of us that use ide-scsi can look at it??? Kinda sucks to reboot with an IDE kernel to use this, might as well type win95 at the boot prompt... Maybe I'll put just the CD-RW on ide-scsi...
  • ln -s /usr/src/include/asm-i386 /usr/include/asm
    ln -s /usr/src/include/linux /usr/include/linux

    And then install and compile...
  • Triboot is easy. I've got triboot W98/Linux/BeOS at home right now. I've had as much as pentaboot (5 OSes) on one machine.
  • If you're seriously telling me that you can get $70K straight out of university, I'm coming over to the US. Somehow I doubt it, but if it's true I'm coming over.

    Graf in England - and I really don't suck

  • Yeah that's it. Get a firm grasp on something besides your dick and then realize Microsoft would never be interested in something as scummy as Linux.

    I saw an ad on /. today that read: "Scientsts known the Sun will fail.. but when it does you're Penguin Computing systems will still be running". I finally realized what was so unique about Linux. It's the masses of twits and arrogance that surrounds Linux. Get over it. It's just a fucking kernel, and a rather average one at that.
  • I got the same errors as Jake for BeOS... both with a virtual disk and a previously installed version in /dev/hdc.

    WinNT worked fine tho...
    http://blevins.simplenet.com/vmware.jpg [simplenet.com]
  • I tried to install it on my laptop which has a DVD drive. It is not able to recognize it even as a CDROM drive.
  • I tried to install win98 and the install process was painfully slow. Now admittedly I don't have a screamer of a machine, but I was surprise how slow the install went. I guess I'll have to try NTWS.


  • you too!!

    1. linux
    2. beos 3
    3. win95
    4. winnt4
    5. beos 4
    6. os/2

    i consider beos3 and 4 seperate since i like beos. i also have a win3.1 partition but i didn't put that down since win95 crap pretty much makes up for it .. because when you get down to it.. win9x is nothing more then win3.1 with a new interface..

    .vader
  • I guess we'll have to wait for some mirrors. I've been looking forward to this for quite a while. Please, make the bad Bill go away :)
  • I was referring to the freedom of being able to stay in Linux and not having to reboot everytime I want to run one or two specialized apps Wine dies on. Like you said, this increases reliance on Windows. It will have to do in the meantime though.

  • I haven't been able to download it yet, so I wanted to ask if it is possible to grab a window(eg. the winamp playlist) and move it outside the box.

    Also, if I connect to the internet using the windows dialer will I be able to use the internet on liunx at the same time? will a winmodem work then?
  • Thank god for DHCP. I'm using up the whole subnet by myself.
    Anyone know what are the issues are with Beos and SCO?

    Almost time to fire up the nes and atari emlators and do a screenshot.

    How many unqiue OS's can YOU run?

    - wilkinsm
  • I installed vmware on my Linux box...it's an SMP dual PII 266 system...one processor for each OS...that ROCKS! in full screen mode, there isn't even any refresh problem (in a window, it runs sort of slow because of refresh rates). All I have to say is this thing rocks.
  • I doubt that will work. A) It uses DGA to improve video access, which I'm fairly certain doesn't run remotely. B) The performance isn't that great. It's useable (w/ a pII-300) but not that useable.
  • I'm amused at the ODBC errors I keep getting over at the signup page. Such hypocrites.

    Ah well, I didn't really have any NT software to run (other than Rational Visual Test ;p). I love the virginal feel of a system with two partitions: one e2fs and one swap.

  • Is this the solution I have been looking for? I have been really annoyed at having to boot NT just to do stupid homework stuff. Perhaps I can now stay in linux and still use the few windows apps I need... If this was free, might it have a negative effect on wine?
  • Whoa!!!
    Did anyone see that joke go by?
    Some geeks tend to be so literal minded.

  • Anyone know if an Open Source solution similar to what VMWare has done would be feasible (not just technically, but also legally). Is any project similar to it underway?

    -Jamin P. Gray
    -------------------------------------------- --------
    Jamin Philip Gray
    jgray@writeme.com
    http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/
  • I downloaded it. I installed it. So far I can run all the crap the big shots want me to run. works for me...
  • I'm sure that violates a whole lot of licenses. Runing a virtual machine is the same as running a real one, when it comes to the lawyers.
  • Holy Wah! The post's been up there for about 10 minutes and the place is slashdotted already... I can't even get teh main page... Anyone know of any other sources for it?
  • It works running with a remote X server. I just did it a little while ago... I must admit, it is very nice... BIG time bandwidth hog, though... got to watch the hub(on 10baseT, going through the school's entire network) go up to about85% or more everytime I moved the mouse...Still pretty cool though... I had it running the X server on an Ultrasparc 10, with VMWare running on my Pentium 200 MMX. The performance was not great, but some of that was from my end up the system. I need to do some optimizing for it, I think... Still very interesting, though, very interesting. I think I just have to say, I like it. I like it a lot. A very nice program, fun to play with, and it keeps me from rebooting sometimes too.
    Darmox
  • No offense, but unless you have a firm grasp on exactly how this program works in its entiriety (sp)? I don't think you can say that it doesn't need kernel modules.
  • http://www2.vmware.com/forms/Download.cfm [vmware.com]

    You can also get the software from www2.vmware.com but most of the links will need to be changed manually to www2 (they point to www.vmware.com)

  • The license key I got expires April 15. Not sure if it's a fixed date or a one month period after license request though.
  • This one isn't /.'d yet.
  • Triboot? Dang. I've got Linux, Solaris, UnixWare, OpenStep, FreeBSD, and a couple different DOS's & Windows systems all installed on this box. The easiest way to do this is to install a removable drive, whatever kind you like, as your first hard drive, and use a SCSI controller that lets you select whether you want to boot from the removable or not. Then you just install whatever you need to boot each system plus whatever else you want (root/main partition) on a removable disk and use your fixed disks for extra storage. You can also, of course, turn off the removable boot option any time you want and just boot whatever system you use most off a fixed disk.
  • $300. Ouch. I'm not cheap, I'm just poor. If it was half that much I'd probably get it and just not eat for a couple days, but I think I'm going to pass on this for now.

    Still, anything that can help Linux swallow Windows & its installed base is a good thing.
  • One thought though.. when will they have a vmware for NT .. to allow folk to run linux apps *grin* (run.. duck ... hide). Shri
  • excellent.... considering that there is no way I can get some of my corporate apps to run on Linux (don't get me started on this, many of them are even non MS apps) it would be cool to run Linux apps, if nothing else, as a "isnt this so cool" item.
  • Sure you can. You can say any damn thing you want. Welcome to the new world, my friend.

    Anyway, it "shouldn't" need any kernel modules. I can see why they'd use some though.. Probably to integrate the networking/sound/other device access into the kernel, so that the VMware application doesn't have to play nice and share with the other apps unless it wants to. But, if it works okay, big deal. Also, by using a module they probably got some definite speed improvements. Oh well oh well

  • I got nothing here.. The drive only compiles fine, then the vmnet fails a miserable-death.. help! Redhat running with 2.2.3

  • GOT IT! (Score:1)

    by Otto ( 17870 )
    The problem was that I had glibc 2.1 on my box. Removed that and put glibc 2.0 back on and it compiled perfectly!

    yes, i used redhat rpms. I know, i feel like less of a man for it, but hey.. at least it worked.
  • Silly American! If you are from anywhere but the US, it's spelled 'licence'. We're the only ones who call it a 'license'. Not even the Canadians do.

    Mike
    --

  • I downloaded it just before 1AM, and I'm still up.
    This vmware is really amazing. I installed it, specified to boot on my /dev/hda. When I press the "Power on" button, I get the "LILO" prompt, and I select my Win95 image!

    It's really slow for the moment, since it runs a lot of debugging code as well, but on my 233 chip,
    I can boot Win95 with WinAmp and it works!

    That's soooooooo incredible! Version 0.1.. imagine what version 1.0 will be like!

  • It _does_ work with your actual windows partition.
    But you have to edit the settings manually, and put:
    # virtual hard disk on primary master
    ide0:0.present = TRUE
    ide0:0.fileName = "/dev/hda"
    ide0:0.mode = persistent
  • It depends on your license file! =)

    Mine expires in one month.. I hope we can download another license after that!
  • vmware creates a fake AMD Lance network card, and it binds it to a /dev/vmnet1 device on your Linux system.

    So you dial under Linux and either use a second IP for windows or use IP masquerading.

    Pretty neat!

  • IDE-SCSI (Score:1)

    by JM ( 18663 )
    I had a similar problem. It refuses to power on if the CD-ROM is enabled with SCSI emulation.

    Probably something I have overlooked.

  • The way I see it, you *could* dial with Windows, install a proxy server on it, and use the vmnet1 device in Linux.

    Yeah, it would be unreliable, but I hate to say something is impossible ;)

    Winmodems will probably not work, anyways, they suck. But I kinda like Lucent LT PCI Winmodems, and I'd like to see someone test it...
  • I have (what used to be) Caldera OpenLinux with 2.2.3 here and it works.

    Check if you have module support in your kernel,
    then do:
    make dep;make clean;make;make modules; make install_modules; make install; reboot

    And then do a `depmod -a` to make sure all module dependencies are okay.

    YMMV


  • I worked on an old VM/386 which basically serverd
    as a Windows (16/32) application server for an ethernet. It used really funky 5-pair UTP and
    needed special NIC's in the server. A totaly
    pain in the ass to support. I haven't used VMWare
    yet but it sounds like a step closer to something practical and useable
  • I just pulled this from their FAQ at:

    Very cool product but I can't see paying $300 for it. To run windows? Windows doesn't cost that much.

    http://www2.vmware.com/products/productfaq.html

    When will VMware become available?
    The initial VMware product comes in two flavors, based on the operating system running native on the PC. These two versions are VMware for Linux and VMware for Windows NT. A beta release of VMware for Linux will be available on or about March 15, 1999. Commercial release of VMware for Linux is planned for May, approximately 60 days later. The beta release of VMware for Windows NT is scheduled for mid-April, with commercial release expected in June (approximately 60 days later).

    What is the price?
    Each flavor of the product has a list price of $299.00 U.S.

  • Wish I was a better coder.... :-7

    Then I'd start an OSS project to accomplish a VM.
    Because... I've tried out the vmware VM and it already rocks. "Never ask a geek why..." ;-)

    Speaking of which... anyone ever wondered about setting up a general "request" site for OSS projects? A site where you could put up ideas or like for projects to be picked by bored coders.

    A site where professors, teachers and students could go and pick a project or some teammembers for a not yet started project.

    Is that an idea?


    Best regards,
    Steen Suder

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