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Red Hat CEO: Open Source Goes Mainstream In 2014

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  • I thought it was already mainstream. So this news means, it isn't.

    • The natural problem is that open source has to constantly pose as emerging useful technology to match up against the marketing that closed source software uses. It's just framing yourself as a perpetual underdog.

  • Finally! (Score:4, Funny)

    by lxw56 (827351) on Friday August 08, 2014 @10:51AM (#47630113)
    The year of Linux on the desktop has arrived!
    • by Ravaldy (2621787)

      Where. I don't see it.

    • by bobbied (2522392)

      The year of Linux on the desktop has arrived!

      No, no... It's projected to arrive tomorrow..

      To quote an old adage... Tomorrow never comes.

    • Re:Finally! (Score:4, Informative)

      by r_naked (150044) on Friday August 08, 2014 @02:00PM (#47631765) Homepage

      The year of Linux on the desktop has arrived!

      I know this was meant to be sarcastic, but it may be more true that you think.

      I have been an avid Linux supporter for use on servers for a long time, however, I refused to use it as a desktop OS for a couple of reasons:

      * There was no distro that I didn't have to open a shell for SOME reason -- to get something to work. I do systems administration for a living. I don't want to have to fucking tweak my box when I get home.
      * It was butt ugly. That may seem like a poor reason to not use an OS, but it is my opinion and I am entitled to it. I refuse to use Windows 8.x primarily for this reason -- it is fucking hideous. Monochrome? Really Microsoft?

      Both of those issues have now been addressed, and I am now completely MS free. I will be converting my parents, and my brother, and I will be spreading the word to my friends that aren't technically inclined.

      • It looks like your post must have been stuck in a 10 year time warp and is actually from 2004.
        • Re:Finally! (Score:4, Insightful)

          by r_naked (150044) on Friday August 08, 2014 @03:55PM (#47632803) Homepage

          If I had to open a shell for *any* reason -- even something trivially stupid, then I would immediately give up. If you had said 2012 or 2013, maybe. The last time I tried was in 2011 -- but 2004 -- LMAO! Linux distributions were most certainly NOT "load and go" back in 2004.

          • by jbolden (176878)

            I'm primarily an OSX user. I still have to open shell pretty regularly to fix things. In the dozen years I've been on OSX I doubt there has been a week I haven't had to be in shell for some reason. That's UNIX not just Linux.

            • by r_naked (150044)

              I use OSX at work, and I haven't *HAD* to open a shell for anything when it comes to day to day use. There are some things I find quicker to fix / install from the shell, but that is my choice -- I am not forced to. I have found the same to be true with Linux Mint.

              If you look at my post history, up until recently I was a die-hard Windows fan when it came to my desktop OS. Even OSX is missing little things that Windows 7 has when it comes to window management. For example, Aero peek on the superbar. I didn't

              • by jbolden (176878)

                I like Windows 8. First version of Windows since 2000 that I've genuinely been enthusiastic about. Of course I use it on the right hardware not Windows 7 hardware. Anyway I wouldn't worry about Mint going to a Gnome 3 style interface. Mint came out of the backlash against that interface they may well be one of the last distributions to switch.

                As for Linux on the desktop, yeah it is very usable. I think the lack of commercial desktop distributions has hurt quite a bit. Ubuntu plays the role that Debian

  • Open Source has been mainstream for quite some time. I'm not sure how you can claim that something that has had the support of IBM, Oracle, Dell, Samsung, HTC, Motorola and pretty much every other big name in the industry for at least 5 years can "go mainstream" this year.
    • IBM, Oracle, Dell, Samsung, HTC, Motorola and pretty much every other big name in the industry

      Plus, hell froze over in 2009 when Microsoft started contributing code to the Linux kernel.

  • by wiredog (43288) on Friday August 08, 2014 @10:55AM (#47630147) Journal

    Just like 2013,...,1995 (when I first installed RedHat 2 from a CD)

    • by OffTheLip (636691)
      Same, same for me with respect to Red Hat 2.0 in 1995. I still have my Red Hat 2.0 CD and the manual, the svelte tome it was.
    • by omnichad (1198475)

      Distinction - 2014 is the year of the Linux Post-Desktop Era...

  • You read it here first!

  • Some commenters say that Linux and Open Source have been mainstream tools for a while. That's true -- in the tech world. Whitehurst mentions this, then goes on to explain that more traditional industries are accepting FOSS now. Things like railroads and power utilities, where open source remained a scary, newfangled, and unproven security hole as recently as last year.

    RTFA, please.

  • by mlts (1038732) on Friday August 08, 2014 @11:52AM (#47630557)

    I would say that RedHat did a lot with RHEL 7, which, though not without issues, has added a lot of functionality:

    1: systemd is a decent boot mechanism. On a SSD-based machine, RHEL 7 will boot to a graphical login screen in five seconds, due to firing off daemons asynchronously.

    2: firewallD is of some benefit, but it adds the concept of zones, similar to how Windows works, which does help integrate Linux machines in a MS environment (where one has public, private, and domain networks.)

    3: Docker and containers are going to be a big thing going forward. This is similar to BSD jails, Solaris containers, or AIX WPARs, and provide decent package isolation without the need for a hypervisor.

    4: It looks like with the latest version of the Linux kernel released this week, that btrfs is stable enough for prime time. RHEL7 allows for a btrfs install. It may not have the bells and whistles of ZFS, but it is a step in the right direction, and files can be checked (and possibly repaired) for bit rot with a find and a btrfs scrub.

    5: The ability to use SSD as a "landing zone" for writes, then move those to a lower tier of disk.

    None of these features are revolutionary... but they do bring RedHat and its downstreams (CentOS) on par with AIX, Windows, and Solaris for enterprise level features.

    So, I can see that RedHat's future looks rosy, especially when it comes to virtualization and having a competitor in the enterprise to VMWare. VMWare still is top dog, but competition is always good.

  • "Given a sufficient amount of time all software either becomes free open source software or goes extinct."

  • by TWX (665546)
    I'd given this some thought since the FOSS docs discussion at the beginning of the week, and I think that we're already post-FOSS.

    FOSS' heyday was in the nineties. GNU modelled its documentation on BSD, which in turn modeled its documentation on commercial UNIX. Through the nineties developers and those that maintained distributions honored this, continuing to write their documentation like the UNIX world did, and it was easy (relatively speaking) to make the software do everything that it could do and
    • by Opportunist (166417) on Friday August 08, 2014 @12:47PM (#47631115)

      I'd rather say that we have arrived at the point where software is complicated enough that you will have to pay for a competent (!) admin if you want to get more than the basics done. The difference between CSS and OSS is in that respect that it's way easier to pose as a halfway credible so-so admin in a CSS world with its wizards and gadgets, its online help and example config files.

      Competent OSS admins are rather rare. Because learning almost invariably means spending money and not just time.

    • by omnichad (1198475)

      So they've succeeded - and matched Microsoft's incompetence. Isn't that what it takes to go mainstream?

    • by jbolden (176878)

      The barrier to entry or to re-entry with anything more than using the default setup from the distribution is very, very high, much moreso than even the days when one had to do a lot more by hand.

      As someone who was using Linux since 1995. No it isn't moreso. Things are much much better then times when standard Linux documentation talked about recompiling the kernel to load up particular features or getting X to run at all was a challenge. Yes configuration is annoying but nowhere near what it was then.

  • by Kwyj1b0 (2757125) on Friday August 08, 2014 @11:37PM (#47635649)

    I know, I'm stuck in the old days where I like to print boarding passes, hotel receipts, parking passes, or scan and keep digital copies of my documents.

    However, I recently took a (relatively) old computer (from 2012) and put Debian on it. Things more or less worked. Occasionally, I had to go down to the shell, but nothing that was too infuriating or difficult. Then one day I decided I wanted to (gasp!) use my wireless Epson printer with my Debian OS. It was like pulling my teeth out without anesthesia. CUPS is a piece of crap that is determined to waste people's time. I spent almost an entire day trying to follow various manuals, start print servers, open the configuration page in my browser, install GUI tools, and in general wonder why I signed up for this.

    After giving up for the day, I went to bed, woke up the next morning, installed Windows 8 (I get it for free) on a separate partition, booted in, and in 5 minutes I printed out some tax forms and scanned a copy of my W2 for my records (this all took a little over an hour since I started the OS installation - even though I wasn't waiting at my desk constantly).

    I guess when you can have your secretary print everything for you, then easy printing isn't really required before considering yourself going mainstream. I started out using my Windows just for printing, then slowly got tired of switching constantly. I started to do more and more in Windows (Quicken, Scrivener) even when there were Linux alternatives. Now I hardly boot into Linux.

    • by jbolden (176878)

      Printing works fine if you use a printer with a standard print language like PCL, Postscript, LPDS... Really that's sort of a BS issue. Don't buy Linux incompatible hardware to run Linux.

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