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Robyn Bergeron Stepping Down As Fedora Project Leader 53

Posted by Soulskill
from the so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish dept.
darthcamaro writes: "Red Hat's Fedora Linux Project Leader, Robyn Bergeron, has announced that she is leaving her role. Bergeron became Fedora Project Leader in February of 2012 and has presided over one of the busiest periods for Fedora ever. Fedora is now moving to a new model for Fedora 21, with separate desktop, cloud and server products. 'The community has now gotten to the point where it's not a one-size-fits-all product anymore,' Bergeron said."
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Robyn Bergeron Stepping Down As Fedora Project Leader

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  • by phantomfive (622387) on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:12PM (#47053241) Journal
    Here is a quote from the article:

    "If we're going to be able to do three products just as well as we do one currently, without our tripling our QA [quality assurance] or release engineering workforce, we really have to figure out how to automate more stuff," Bergeron said

    Does RedHat plan on hiring that many people, or is that why she is leaving?

    • by aliquis (678370)

      Why do they need three products really?

      Now the default installer just seem to dump whatever is on the media you install from onto your hard-drive.

      Of course that's not going to fit everyone.

      But is it really better to make three different kinds of such media rather than let the person doing the install pick what to install? ..

      Maybe some basic ideologies make it inefficient to pick among some "schemes" (mostly security related?) to start with?

      • Yeah, it feels like a bad idea.

        It seems like they should just make a distro with everything, and then remove some packages for the people who don't want them (remove openstack from their desktop distro, for example).
        • Yeah, it feels like a bad idea.

          It seems like they should just make a distro with everything, and then remove some packages for the people who don't want them (remove openstack from their desktop distro, for example).

          I've got an idea! Why don't they make a Fedora Core and then build flavors on top of that!

      • by Zappy (7013)

        Like the old installer up to Fedora 12 (or so) enabled you to do before the horrible unintuitive mess that is the current installer replaced that.

        • by aliquis (678370)

          I'm not sure I even got what it would be doing.

          Not a fan. I kinda thought the community / amount of packages for Fedora would be bigger than for opensuse but that didn't seemed to be the case. Of course Ubuntu may be even better in that regard.

          Also at least opensuse had the decency to not listen on global traffic in sshd even though it was running there too.

          Now it may be because I'm coming from the BSDs but I don't really see why shit (especially remote connectivity stuff) should be enabled by default at al

      • by AdamWill (604569)

        That's what the *live* installer does - because that's all a live installer can do, really, unless you make a live image with a DVD-size package repository, which not many people really seem to want.

        The *non live* installer still lets you choose the deployed package set.

        The three product approach isn't simply about the deployed package set, though. It involves really rather a lot more than that. Hard to go into details in a Slashdot comment, but see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki... [fedoraproject.org] .

        • by aliquis (678370)

          I have an Internet connection and have installed OpenBSD multiple times using just a single floppy disc.

          But yeah, there was other solutions too. I don't remember whatever it was obvious how limited the live discs was.

          Google download fedora:
          http://fedoraproject.org/en_GB... [fedoraproject.org]
          Only live CD listed there, doesn't mention anything about the installer being crippled and limit your options.

          Pick desktop and nothing improves:
          http://fedoraproject.org/en_GB... [fedoraproject.org]

          Formats have both the DVD and Network Install CDs which imho i

          • by AdamWill (604569)

            yeah, it may be worth adding a note about that on the download page...but one of the things that'll be done as part of fedora.next is a complete revamp of that site area, so i'll wait till that's in planning to suggest the idea. thanks.

    • we really have to figure out how to automate more stuff

      Part of this is Fedora adopting a devops platform. I like Puppet (mostly) but we could live with another if it were _the_ standard (I live with RPM for the same reason, "blech, but so what").

      RPM and yum are 2/3 of the equation in the modern context. There are so many things in the ecosystem that could be done right with a distro-standard devops layer.

    • Er...no and no? That wasn't a question about her reason for leaving, it was just a general question about Fedora's future.

      • That wasn't a question about her reason for leaving,

        I'm really curious what question you are referring to here

  • by alvinrod (889928) on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:40PM (#47053355)

    "If we're going to be able to do three products . . ."

    Three products? Why not five [theonion.com]?

  • by aliquis (678370)

    Since the i* think it's sound to:

    1) enable sshd
    2) let sshd listen to traffic from everywhere
    3) allow root logins over ssh
    4) (using password)

    by default I think this is a good change.

    Now where that should still remain the default? ..
    Hopefully definitely not on desktop at least. But who knows?

  • The absurd release frequency, the unnecessary changes, and the bad quality forced me to air-gap my system and freeze it in an ancient version in order to keep it running (or, better said, in order to reduce the risk of it breaking down). I stopped recommending fedora ages ago. Now that that system fulfilled its original purpose, it will be repurposed and updated with something different, probably CentOS or Mint.

    • by FireFury03 (653718) <slashdot&nexusuk,org> on Wednesday May 21, 2014 @06:19AM (#47054715) Homepage

      The absurd release frequency, the unnecessary changes, and the bad quality forced me to air-gap my system and freeze it in an ancient version in order to keep it running (or, better said, in order to reduce the risk of it breaking down). I stopped recommending fedora ages ago. Now that that system fulfilled its original purpose, it will be repurposed and updated with something different, probably CentOS or Mint.

      I think you're rather missing the point of Fedora. The whole point is a Free, rapid release cycle distribution to track the (b)leading edge technologies. The good stuff that drops out of this goes into RHEL a few years later, whilst the bad stuff is abandoned. If you wanted a long-term-support distro, why did you choose a rapid release cycle one in the first place? RHEL, CentOS or Scientific Linux are much more sensible if your're not interested in the latest features; but you can't have both - you can't have the latest stuff that was only developed last month unless you go with a rapid release cycle distro.

      • Indeed I should have gone with CentOS in the first place. It was a bad decision on my part, but it also turned out to be much worse than expected.

    • by coofercat (719737)

      I did something similar purely for laziness reasons. My laptop was on FC16 until a couple of weeks ago (because it did everything I needed it to). The online update facility was long-gone, and I had to really search to find the FC17 install media, but once found, upgraded to a very broken FC17 quite quickly. I got it working by manually setting up a wired network connection and running "yum update" which fixed everything. From then on, 'fedup' took me through 18, 19 and onto 20 in a matter of hours.

      I agree

  • was she eleven feet tall with the hands of a lumberjack?
  • Doe this mean he's hanging up his hat?

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