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Search For Evi Nemeth Continues 67

Posted by timothy
from the to-seek-and-to-find dept.
oneiros27 writes "Although the initial search for Evi Nemeth (and some other people who didn't write Unix books) ended, family and friends of the missing crew are funding a private search effort for the crew. They've managed to get more images from DigitalGlobe of the drift area, but now need help looking through the pictures. If you've got some free time, you might be able to help save some lives."
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Search For Evi Nemeth Continues

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    This is an instance where you would want to have Google and its awesome machine learning and image processing skills to do the work for you. Do an image search for something like 'snake', ignore the pages with the word snake on them so you get only the ones where the Google image processing algorithm finds the subject matter ... You'll find images where you wouldn't recognize theres a snake in the picture if you weren't told.

    Its REALLY impressive at this stage of the game how well it works. I'm sure ther

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Maybe not Google, but this task does seem tailor made for automation. Find any colors that are out of place. Find any lines that are at a significantly different angle or of a different length. Use humans to categorize the hits. It's so obvious, I'd be surprised if they aren't doing something along these lines. While I do empathize with them, having humans go through the raw data smacks of wishful thinking. Also, the victims have been missing for over two months. Putting it nicely, the odds do not lo

    • Yes, with stereo-viewing two images of same area with identical
      magnification taken at different times (or quick shift-viewing).
      What's possible in astronomy should be possible on earth.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    For Jim Gray, wherever he may be

    - Principles of Transaction Processing, 2nd Edition, Morgan Kaufman 2009 (Philip Bernstein and Eric Newcomer)

    (Gray and Bernstein were leading researchers in the theory of transaction processing)

  • by Anonymous Coward

    If they managed to get into their dinghies and survive that long, it'd be one of the most amazing feats of seamanship... right up there with the lifeboats from the Bounty or those awful voyages where 19th century whalers cannibalized each other.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:43PM (#44661433)

    You people who imagine anyone from the boat Nemeth was on is still
    alive obviously have no idea about the conditions in the southern ocean.

    If drowning doesn't kill you, hypothermia will, and if that doesn't kill you,
    a few days without fresh water to drink will do the trick.

    Unless those on board the boat were able to don survival suits and carried
    food and water with them and were able to get into their life raft which may or
    may not have deployed such that it could even be used, the chance that anyone
    survived is as close to zero as it gets. Sure, it's nice to hope people survived,
    but these people are all fish food by now.

    • by imp (7585) on Saturday August 24, 2013 @12:28AM (#44662123) Homepage

      The odds are not good, to be true. However, if you ever knew Evi and heard stories from her life, this story will end "and then after X days, they were found having survived using make shift fishing gear and drinking rain water.

      The odds are long. However, in the past few years there have been instances of people beating the odds. They survived for 60 or 90 or even 120 days on their life raft after their boat sank. Not many, mind you, but it is possible.

      Finally, no wreckage has been found. Usually for these events some wreckage is found. This increases the odds. Not by much.

      Looking at the TomNod stuff can't hurt. The worst that would happen is that people waste time looking at snippets of the Tasman Sea rather than watching TV, porn, movies, etc.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        long term survivors of have a couple things in common: island chains nearby and water temperature close to body temperature.

        it's sad, but the folks on that boat don't have either of those things going for them. no amount of smarts or strength are going to help you with hypothermia and lack of fresh water.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You people who imagine anyone from the boat Nemeth was on is still
      alive obviously have no idea about the conditions in the southern ocean.

      If drowning doesn't kill you, hypothermia will, and if that doesn't kill you,
      a few days without fresh water to drink will do the trick.

      Unless those on board the boat were able to don survival suits and carried
      food and water with them and were able to get into their life raft which may or
      may not have deployed such that it could even be used, the chance that anyone
      survived is as close to zero as it gets. Sure, it's nice to hope people survived,
      but these people are all fish food by now.

      OK, so unless she had a reverse osmosis pump and warm clothes, she'd be dead by now. But since the odds are good she had those two items, your entire post is unlikely guesswork.

    • Who says you have to be looking for survivors? Finding bodies in a life raft or even the schooner itself would bring closure to the families. Not knowing what's happened to a loved one can be worse than finding them dead.

  • I went to CU (Score:5, Informative)

    by SocietyoftheFist (316444) on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:44PM (#44661441)

    Evi Stopped teaching Unix Sys Admin the semester I took it (you were a good teacher Tor, I just was looking forward to Emi). I remember her smiling at me going through the hallway between classes, funny how I remember that. I think I was a little star struck because she was the equivalent of an A list celebrity in the UNIX world.

    • Re:I went to CU (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SocietyoftheFist (316444) on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:45PM (#44661453)

      And Slashdot needs to let you edit after posting...

      • by Raenex (947668)

        And Slashdot needs to let you edit after posting...

        No, Slashdot has it right. Editing posts is like trying to edit history, 1984 style.

        • by Immerman (2627577)

          I don't know - an "Oops" button available for a couple minutes probably wouldn't hurt anything, and likely catch 90% of problems that the preview misses (can't tell you how many times I've spotted an error out of the corner of my eye as I click "submit"). Another 1984-proof options would be adding a long-term "postscript" option - several times I've wished I could append corrections to the first post in a large tree when somebody points out a significant error. Or for a more comprehensive option you could

  • maps or images? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by donaggie03 (769758) <(moc.liamtoh) (ta) (reyemso_d)> on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:06PM (#44661539)
    I don't get it. The tomnod page seems to shows a map of the area, not satellite images. How are you supposed to search for anything in an empty pale blue picture?
    • by DrVomact (726065)

      Did you manage to log in? I tried, but couldn't get an account. I gave it an email address (one of my throwaways, natch) and password, and it did nothing but ask me to log in again. No email seems to have been sent. The login I had created didn't work, and trying to create one again produced the same non-result. I gave permissions for that web site to run scripts, but there was a lot of other crap that wanted permissions, so for now I'm not bothering.

      • Re:maps or images? (Score:4, Informative)

        by Beeftopia (1846720) on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:51PM (#44661745)

        I ignored the login stuff, just clicked through to get to the images. There is a primer on what they're looking for in that initial part, but also some login stuff that I just clicked through. The page initially didn't load once I got to the blank page, but a couple of reloads and it finally loaded and I could start moving the viewfinder through the search area.

    • by imp (7585)

      One set of images is smoothed data. You likely got a frame from that.

  • by Beeftopia (1846720) on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:08PM (#44661545)

    The HMS Endurance and Shackleton.

    The Endurance became trapped on January 19, 1915. The crew was rescued, after Shackleton and his lieutenants' heroics, on August 30, 1916. Nineteen months in Antarctica.

  • by SuperKendall (25149) on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:55PM (#44661765)

    I've been looking for a while just to help, but it would be tons more efficient if I could download about 100 square KM of images at a time - it only takes a second to tell a page has no items of interest, but many seconds to load each movement either to a new area or to scroll the minim-map any direction.

    I could probably have searched the same area in a tenth the time if the transition between areas was seamless, which would enable me to allocate time to search a much larger area.

    • by Moof123 (1292134)

      Agreed, too slow, too many bland blue pages. At the very least someone with a half a days time should program up a simple algorithm to only display things that are not solid boring blue.

    • by c0lo (1497653)

      I've been looking for a while just to help, but it would be tons more efficient if I could download about 100 square KM of images at a time - it only takes a second to tell a page has no items of interest, but many seconds to load each movement either to a new area or to scroll the minim-map any direction.

      Ummm... are you sure?
      To my mind, at a minimum of 10ft (3.3 m) size of the raft, one'd be looking for objects about 5-7 pixels to my estimate (about 1/6 of the 20m scale unit shown below).
      No seriosly, am I doing wrongs searching for so small "redish" objects? (what if it wet and, by a misfortune, strongly reflecting at the moment the photo was taken... so that only a small number of pixels would show red all the rest being toward white - high value/small saturation?)

      • To my mind, at a minimum of 10ft (3.3 m) size of the raft, one'd be looking for objects about 5-7 pixels to my estimate

        That's about right.

        No seriosly, am I doing wrongs searching for so small "redish" objects?

        I think so as bright sunlight on red could easily wash out to white, just look for anything around the size you mentioned that looks more "solid".

        I flagged two items that were about two to three pixels wide, but looked slightly more solid than the other whitecaps you could see at times.

        As I said it tak

  • Possible sail? (4 inches from right, 2 inches from top): http://tomnod.com/nod/challenge/ninarescue2/map/207355 [tomnod.com]

  • Not to make light of the situation, but did anyone else glance at the headline and see 'Search for Evil Nemesis Continues?'
  • How do you actually get other people to see what you've found? Is it built in the tool somehow? Shouldn't I then be able to see other people's finds? Or is the whole of slashdot meant to start posting random map links to each other?
    Anyway for what it's worth, what do you think of this? http://tomnod.com/nod/challenge/ninarescue2/map/207268 [tomnod.com] oblong structure around 70ft with a homogeneously white (eye-of-faith-reddish?) 10-20ft structure slightly left and above it? Top mid-right of the map (on my portrait-or
    • by Reziac (43301) *

      I couldn't get the site to play nice, but the red blob looks like a dead whale to me.

  • by Old Wolf (56093)

    Oh, this is the Nina story. Here in NZ we've been getting this in the news over the last few months, but they never mentioned that anybody 'famous' might be on board. I'd just assumed it was another recreational fishing boat that went missing.

  • I really, really hope they find them, dead or alive. At least there would be some closure. Just going missing all this time is like a splinter that won't heal, you know?

Somebody ought to cross ball point pens with coat hangers so that the pens will multiply instead of disappear.

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