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Fedora 19 Alpha Released 83

Posted by Soulskill
from the code-names-with-umlauts dept.
hypnosec writes "Following delays due to UEFI, the alpha version of Fedora 19 'Schrödinger's Cat' has been released. The alpha version brings with it all the features of Fedora 19, including the updated desktop options – GNOME 3.8, KDE Plasma 4.10 and MATE 1.6. Other new features include Developer's Assistant – a tool that would allow developers to code easily with ready templates, samples and more; OpenShift Origin – through which users will be able to deploy their own Platform-as-a-Service infrastructure; Ruby 2.0.0; Scratch; Syslinux – provides for simplified booting of Fedora; systemd Resource Control – which allows for modification of service settings without requiring a reboot; and Checkpoint & Restore. Downloads and release notes available at the Fedora Project site."
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Fedora 19 Alpha Released

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  • Let's just see how much breaks with that ASCII compliant name. :-)

    • by Anonymous Coward

      It doesn't matter if things do break, we'll never find out thanks to this ;-)

      https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922433 [redhat.com]

    • To start if off -- we had a report of pyramid_debugtoolbar failing with a UnicodeDecodeError this morning (on Python 2, where platform.platform() returns a non-7-bit-clean bytestring rather than a Unicode string, causing code to blow up later in the templating layer; on Python 3, it works perfectly).
  • by hamvil (1186283) on Wednesday April 24, 2013 @03:59AM (#43534195)
    You will not know if it will erase your disk until you try to boot it.
    • by theVarangian (1948970) on Wednesday April 24, 2013 @05:14AM (#43534479)

      You will not know if it will erase your disk until you try to boot it.

      It's more like:

      If the display on your Fedora19 box is in sleep mode and you know that the Fedora 19 kernel panics once a day because of a poorly written kernel module you cannot know whether it OS has panicked until you wake the display. Until then all you can do is calculate the probability that the kernel has panicked as the sleep time of the display approaches 24 hours. Thus your Fedora 19 box is both in a state of kernel panic and running normally at the same time until you wake the display and 'fix its state'. The interesting thing is what happens if you try to cheat by pinging your Fedora 19 box from your laptop. Assuming you have a perfect network connection you can only tell whether the system is up or not, you cannot tell whether it's lack of response is due to a kernel panic or a segfault in the network daemon. You can only calculate the probability of the lack of response being due to a panic since, on your badly broken Fedora 19 box, panics happen more frequently than segfaults in inetd do. So you get closer to inferring the state of your Fedora 19 box but you cannot be entirely sure by simply pinging it, you need more information but not so much that you fix the state.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Does that mean that it will be both good and shit at the same time?

  • Installer? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Dadoo (899435) on Wednesday April 24, 2013 @04:25AM (#43534317) Journal

    Did they fix the installer? Once I got it installed, Fedora 18 (with KDE) is pretty good, but the installation was a bitch. The installer choked on my hard drive, because it was already partitioned. I had to get to the shell and delete the partitions manually to get it to work.

    • by kthreadd (1558445)

      I just tried the DVD. Not great but felt slightly better than 18, until I had to set the root password and realized that it didn't detect the keyboard.

      • by tehcyder (746570)

        I just tried the DVD. Not great but felt slightly better than 18, until I had to set the root password and realized that it didn't detect the keyboard.

        No problem, everyone just leaves the root password blank anyway.

    • by DrXym (126579)
      The Fedora 18 installer was pretty bad. It was like a dialog mated and a NeXT style shelf and created an unholy abomination. I hope with the time pressures gone, that they've fixed it. A lot of the confusion would be avoided if it worked like a wizard - i.e. a Next button at the bottom of each task and the final dialog that says Start Install. But the shelf could still remain so people who want to pick and choose what things to do could do so via that method. And also throw in some feedback to the user rath
  • by rklrkl (554527) on Wednesday April 24, 2013 @05:01AM (#43534439) Homepage

    They've fixed a few annoyances in Anaconda in F19 Alpha including actually offering MATE as a desktop option (F18 never showed it in Anaconda - you had to know to groupinstall it later on). Still no package version numbers or install time remaining when the packages are being installed though - both blatantly obvious requirements!

    The Anaconda interface is still LUDICROUSLY SHOUTY (yes, much of it is fully capitalised and even adds bolding on top of that!) and the custom disk partitioning still needs further work. It has a nasty mixture of size units (yes, it's possible to see K, MB and GB all on the same screen) and the option - if it exists - to "use all remaining space on device" when creating a new partition (which you're surely almost always going to need?) didn't jump out at me.

    • by Karrde712 (125745)

      That's actually only partially true. Fedora 18 didn't include MATE as an option while doing a DVD install, but if you changed the package location in Anaconda to "closest mirror", you would suddenly get a much larger set of available desktops, including Cinnamon, MATE and others. The reason for this should be obvious: there's only so much space on a DVD, so we tend to keep the set of packages on it limited to the most popular set. Which at the time of Fedora 18's release did *not* include Cinnamon or MATE.

      W

    • by AdamWill (604569)

      "Still no package version numbers or install time remaining when the packages are being installed though - both blatantly obvious requirements!"

      Why is "package version numbers" a 'blatantly obvious requirement'? What actual use is it? If anything it's debugging info, and it is stored in the appropriate logs. Just because you're used to seeing it doesn't mean that seeing it is of any practical use.

      Install time remaining is not practically possible to determine reliably. It's a classic progress bar problem. W

  • Q: Is Fedora dead? A: Yes and no.
  • MariaBD (Score:5, Interesting)

    by clemdoc (624639) on Wednesday April 24, 2013 @06:13AM (#43534629)
    MariaBD will replace MySQL [fedoraproject.org]
    After wikipedia (on *. yesterday) and of course my revered Slackware, MariaDB really seems to be getting traction.
    Maybe time to have a look...
  • I'll just keep using dwm [suckless.org] like I always have. If you've never used a tiling window manager, check it out. You'll never be able to go back to manually managing the size and location of windows after you use it.

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