Debian Allows Trademark Use For Commercial Activities 57
sfcrazy writes "According to the new trademark policy, Debian logos and marks may now be used freely for both non-commercial and commercial purposes. Stefano Zacchiroli, current Debian Project Leader and one of the main promoters of the new trademark policy, said 'Software freedoms and trademarks are a difficult match. We all want to see well-known project names used to promote free software, but we cannot risk they will be abused to trick users into downloading proprietary spyware. With the help of SPI and SFLC, we have struck a good balance in our new trademark policy. Among other positive things, it allows all sorts of commercial use; we only recommend clearly informing customers about how much of the sale price will be donated to Debian.'"
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you mean gnutered
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traveling salesman
so you sucked cock for a living
good move (Score:2)
This is definitely a move in the right direction. Unlike the death threats from Intel if you use that sticker that comes in the boxed proc. Have you read that thing?
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Who reads the shit that comes with the hardware? You unwrap it, plug it in, and run it! Have you ever read the owner's manual that came with your car? Me neither!
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It's sad that I am one of the few who still reads things these days. You should try it, you'll learn a lot about things.
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Yes, I read the owner's manual for my car. Then I ordered the shop manual and reviewed it as well. There's a lot of good info in there.
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The shop manual is indeed good reading. I have two for my motorcycle, and one each for the cars. I've never learned much of anything useful from an owner's manual though.
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I just bought a new truck last week and I've been reading the manual ever since. It does a ton of stuff that I wouldn't know how to use if I didn't read the manual. Automatic headlights and windshield wipers, and voice commands to do everything from turning the air conditioner on to changing the station on the radio or making a phone call. I just noticed tonight that it says to keep the remote key far away from the rear of the truck when washing it because splashing water could cause the automatic power
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...but have you driven it yet?
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I just noticed tonight that it says to keep the remote key far away from the rear of the truck when washing it because splashing water could cause the automatic power liftgate to open if it sees a key nearby.
Wut?
"Oh, no! My shipment of prize fighting eels! I told you to walk around the front of the car! ...Stop screaming, you baby. It's not like they're poisonous."
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You kick your foot under the back bumper to make the liftgate open. A convenient feature if you have a bunch of stuff in your hands at the time, but if you're spraying water under the vehicle, the sensor might open the liftgate.
It makes sense, but I didn't think of that until I saw it in the manual.
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Does it actually change anything ? (Score:5, Interesting)
Does it actually change anything ?
The widely recognized ("official") logo was already the open [debian.org] one, while nobody uses the "restricted" logo.
The new trademark policy [debian.org] states: You cannot use Debian trademarks in any way that suggests an affiliation with or endorsement by the Debian project or community, if the same is not true.
But the official logo doesn't imply endorsement, that's what the restricted logo does. Or isn't the logo part of Debian's trademark ?
Or is it newspeak for an actual restriction of rights ?
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I don't follow Debian, but I can recall their logo from my memory. This is the first time I have ever seen the 'restricted' logo.
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I'm a longtime Debian user and I can't remember ever seeing the restricted logo either. One wonders why they bother having it.
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i got a tshirt with a big debian swirl... now i'm awesome :)
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Genie in the bottle (Score:1)
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I think you're mixing up trademarks and logos. The logos are among of the Debian trademarks but aren't the whole of them. The word "Debian" is a trademark too, for example.
As such, the part of the policy you quoted means a tech company can state "We provide support for the Debian platform to our clients" (and use the open logo) as part of its commercial offerings because it doesn't imply it's affiliated to or endorsed by the community.
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I too am wondering about the significance of this. It's obvious that if someone re-distributes Debian software, then under the Debian FSG, they'd have to re-distribute the source code w/ it. Aside from that, what control does Debian have? Do they demand that the company in question not deal in any proprietary software? If so, they would be far overreaching.
Also, while Debian's distros are good, how much of a brand value does Debian itself have? For instance, does anyone prefer Iceweasel to Firefox?
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you may be allowed to sell debian... but you won't, because nobody is stupid enough to buy from you
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Also, I'm going to go and register a domain name with debian in it. And then I'm going to have a page with something about cats or cars. Screw: "You cannot use Debian trademarks in a domain name, with or without commercial intent." I'm going to sell cats or cars and Debian can't do jack.
Sorry, but I seem to have missed your point. You think someone looking for Debian is going to buy your cat by mistake? Or what?
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Bah, they're all crap compared to Plan9.
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I was in Malaysia once, and a Malaysian Chinese guy explained to me why so many Chinese restaurants there have very basic interiors with very little decoration. Decoration is seen as a sign the restaurant holder focuses on other things than food. Lack of decoration is seen as an indication of quality, the focus is on the food, where it should be. I see the pattern in my own town too, a few Chinese restaurants that mainly attract Chinese guests have the same kind of spartan interior, with fluorescent light,
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I want [software] to be stable, functional, and I don't want it to distract me from what I'm doing. Wobbly windows, transparent title bars and other forms of bling bling are distracting to me ... Debian, by having a not so nice logo... shows that their focus is not on shiny looks. .... it fits their purpose: they make a stable OS, not a shiny one. ..... I can imagine that this actually helps them to keep focused on quality.
Crickey, all I said was that it was a lousy logo.
Are you seriously distracted by a nice looking logo? Does it really take much effort to design a nice one? And do you think those Debian guys really wake up in the morning saying "Hey, that crappy logo helps keep me focussed on quality!" ?
I too want a stable and plain OS without wobbly windows and stuff. But look again at that logo and see that it is in that irritating "Designer Sloppyness" style, with ragged edges - so is not just a spiral, but o
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Malaysian Chinese restaurants must follow a different philosophy from American Chinese restaurants, which are about the gaudiest thing this side of an Indian bus.
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These are the same people that think that GIMP is comparable to Photoshop or even Paint.NET.
gimp isn't even in the same class as photoshop... it's a class above
gimp: developed by pros, for pros... noobs that aren't interested in getting their hands dirty should try ps instead
i'm yet to see anyone list all the reasons why gimp is deficient... more often than not ps users complain when they try gimp merely because its not exactly like ps and they don't know how to do it in gimp... similar to "linux sux because it's not like windows" morons
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some of the debian swirls are pretty cool
there's a 3d one that looks like its made out of glass floating around on the net somewhere
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Like this dark one [deviantart.net] or this light one [opendesktop.org]?
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the light one was one the i was thinking of. thanks for the link
Re:Wow (Score:4, Funny)
Small change, big difference (Score:5, Insightful)
Ubuntu to Amazon: may we use your logo?
Debian to Amazon: you may use our logo.
Debian Tablet? (Score:2)
Minus all that ubUnity cruft...
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Dude... put the bong down...
Yes. (Score:2)
Many people are wondering in this thread why they should care. I should hope the answer would be obvious. When an average human goes to buy a typical retail product they are not doing a lot of research ahead of time. They will often do some research today, but they are rarely drilling down into the specs to find out if the device will do precisely what they want to do. This works fine for most people because they don't want to do many things, if any, which the manufacturer did not intend. Most of us who wan