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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal Out Now; Raring Ringtail In the Works 318

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An anonymous reader writes "The six month cycle that Canonical adheres to for Ubuntu releases has come around again today. Ubuntu 12.10 'Quantal Quetzal' has been released. There's a whole range of new features and updates, but here are the most important: WebApps — treats online services as if they are desktop apps (Gmail, Twitter, Facebook); Online Services — control logins to all your services from a single window and get them integrated into search results (e.g. GDocs for file searches); Dash Preview — right click any icon, get a detailed preview of what it is; Linux kernel 3.5.4; GNOME 3.6; Nautilus 3.4; latest Unity; No more Unity 2D, fallback is the Gallium llvmpipe software rasterizer; Default apps updated (Firefox 16.01, Thunderbird 16.01, LibreOffice 3.6.2, Totem, Shotwell, Rythmbox); Full disc encryption available during install; Single, 800MB distribution for all architectures." It's now available for download. The next version, due in six months' time, will be called Raring Ringtail.
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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal Out Now; Raring Ringtail In the Works

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  • I tried the preview (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    But really found the integration with webservices annoying. Switched back to Debian and I'm happy with that.

    • by MrEricSir (398214)

      But really found the integration with webservices annoying.

      You mean you don't like getting a popup window every time you visit a website? What's wrong with you!

  • lamest name ever (Score:2, Informative)

    by X0563511 (793323)

    Most of them are campy but not ridiculous. Quantal? Really? Not only is that silly sounding, but it doesn't even follow along the kind of names they have been using.

    quantal, adj.
    1. Physics
            a. Of or relating to a quantum or a quantized system.
            b. Existing in only one of two possible states.
    2. Biology Of or designating an all-or-none response or effect: a quantal reaction.

    • Re:lamest name ever (Score:4, Interesting)

      by X0563511 (793323) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:29PM (#41696331) Homepage Journal

      WebApps — treats online services as if they are desktop apps (Gmail, Twitter, Facebook)

      Do. Not. Want.

      Online Services — control logins to all your services from a single window and get them integrated into search results

      Do. Not. Want.

      Dash Preview — right click any icon, get a detailed preview of what it is

      Why? Should this not be the job of the file manager? Doesn't it already do this?

      Full disc encryption available during install

      You win some points here. Good! You can finally do this without using the debian-installer alternative.

      • by gfxguy (98788) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:41PM (#41696545)

        I abandoned plain Ubuntu in favor of XUbuntu last year after giving 11.04 a try for a couple of months. In a recent discussion, a lot of people have told me there's a huge improvement in Unity... I actually don't really like concept that much, but I'm going to give it a go in case I was swayed more by the execution than the concept. However:

        WebApps — treats online services as if they are desktop apps (Gmail, Twitter, Facebook)

        Do. Not. Want.

        Online Services — control logins to all your services from a single window and get them integrated into search results

        Do. Not. Want.

        Dash Preview — right click any icon, get a detailed preview of what it is

        Why? Should this not be the job of the file manager? Doesn't it already do this?

        I'm thinking the last thing I just wouldn't use - I'm hoping I can just disable the first things. I'm trying to get away from "social" apps, not get more into them. The only thing I'd use is gmail, and I'm happy with it in my browser and, if I wasn't, could configure an email client to use it. IOW, I agree - I don't personally see any value in these things.

        • by Mister Liberty (769145) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @04:06PM (#41697797)

          I'm trying to get away from "social" apps, not get more into them.

          Glad to see I'm not alone in my sentiments towards the "social" apps".
          If only they had a 'KILL' button for 'em.

        • by gosand (234100)

          I used to run Kubuntu, until some runaway process kept bringing my quad processor to its knees on occasion. So for over a year I've been running XFCE on top of Kubuntu. Why haven't I switched to Xubuntu? Because I don't want to do a fresh install. Upgrading has been pretty great so far.
          I may eventually go back to KDE, but for now XFCE is fitting the bill.

          I will, however, learn this time around and not upgrade right away. Last time I upgraded the day after it came out, and it took about 18 hours to down

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        WebApps — treats online services as if they are desktop apps (Gmail, Twitter, Facebook)

        Do. Not. Want.

        Then do. Not. Take.

        Online Services — control logins to all your services from a single window and get them integrated into search results

        Do. Not. Want.

        Then do. Not. Take.

        Seriously, what is WRONG with you? Entitled much?

      • Haters will hate (Score:4, Informative)

        by js_sebastian (946118) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @05:16PM (#41698641)

        WebApps — treats online services as if they are desktop apps (Gmail, Twitter, Facebook)

        Do. Not. Want.

        Well maybe you don't. But millions of people use gmail, and some of them use ubungu. I know several people who have made the jump of forwarding all of their email accounts to gmail and using that exclusively as a mail client, because honestly it is a better client than the desktop alternatives (thunderbird/evolution/kmail). Making gmail a full-fledged citizen on ubuntu means it can behave just like a desktop app, with a gmail icon in the launcher, notifications arriving together with those from other applications in the system, etc. I for one am looking forward to this feature.

        Dash Preview — right click any icon, get a detailed preview of what it is

        Why? Should this not be the job of the file manager? Doesn't it already do this?

        Well, maybe you're not searching through your file system. Maybe you search for an application to install, and can see a screenshot before clicking. Maybe you are searching for a song in your music collection, you get a preview of the album art, and a button to enqueue it or start playing it. And so on, with many third-party extensions likely to be coming. Is this useless eye-candy? maybe, but it is a lot more than the file previews in your file system browser, and I bet that after a bit of experimenting and tweaking some cool stuff will come out of this.

      • Re:lamest name ever (Score:5, Informative)

        by jamstar7 (694492) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @10:44PM (#41701377)
        Well, to be fair, back with Win98, OEMs were bundling all kinda shit in the way of online services like AOL, MSN, etc, when they shipped a new computer out. They got a 'kickback' from the service for each license they shipped, which helped lower the cost of the computer. This is just more of the same, with an eye to put a buck or 3 in Canonical's pocket without too much fanfare or hassle.
      • I agree with parent. It's like they threw away a perfectly good user interface and needed to replace with something new, because, hey, surely the user wants something new. If they had done a better job at letting old farts like me switch back to the classic interface that would still be okay. But the fact of the matter is, that sucks too.

        My gnome classic environment is full of surprises. Windows that arbitrarily move to either top or bottom, a clock that is always in a format that I don't want, complete dis

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I know, what a missed opportunity for Queasy Quail.
      Still time to rename their next release to Roaring Ringwraith, though.

    • by wierd_w (1375923)

      No, it makes PERFECT sense!

      The official switch to Unity is perfectly quantal!

      (Note, I hate Unity with the burning intensity of a class 2 hypernova.)

      • by Compaqt (1758360)

        What's wrong with Unity (in 12.04, not the braindead initial versions)?

        • by wierd_w (1375923)

          Makes silly presumptions about the features of graphics hardware, gobbles resources like an amphetamine junkie, adds unnecessary steps to get to a fucking console prompt, and is generally now what I am looking for in a UI.

          • by wierd_w (1375923)

            (I have no idea why the android input method system, with a hardware keyboard, continually makes a w, where a t should be, when used with words like NOT.)

            (That should have read "Not what I am looking for" above. Not, 'now')

            • (I have no idea why the android input method system, with a hardware keyboard, continually makes a w, where a t should be, when used with words like NOT.)

              (That should have read "Not what I am looking for" above. Not, 'now')

              Turn off your word prediction. It is predicting that you want to type NOW rather than NOT, because NOW is the more common word.

          • what unnecessary steps are there to get to a console?

            Super > T-E-R-M > in terminal.

            It may be less characters to get terminal selected, but force of habit means I'll never know. How many steps does it take in your DE of choice?
            Bearing in mind that if you are going to say "put it on the desktop, one click" then you can always pin the shortcut to the dock for one click that is never hidden.

            • by wierd_w (1375923) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @04:38PM (#41698179)

              That is a click, and 4 key presses, followed by another click.

              When I could do it in 3 clicks in either gnome or xfce.

              Linux pretty much lives in the console. To do anything of any gravity, you will invariably have it open at some point. Being such an essential tool, obfuscating it makes no sense.

              Some distros use a hotkey combo to start a console session anywhere.

              Unity comits the same sin as apple and microsoft, by trying to coddle ignorance, and make the computer try to protect itself from the user through obfuscation and draconian controls.

              I am not 12 years old. I don't need things hidden from me not my hands to be duct taped inside pairs of mittens.

            • Now try to open a second one.
              • come on guys (Score:5, Informative)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 18, 2012 @05:23PM (#41698723)

                Now try to open a second one.

                ctrl + alt + t
                ctrl + alt + t
                ctrl + alt + t
                ctrl + alt + t

                now I have 4 terminals open, how many do you want?

    • by Ksevio (865461)
      I thought having animal names was suppose to make a version number somewhat easier to remember. Using animals like "Quetzal" which I can barely pronounce doesn't do anything other than make me think of it as that "Q" release.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Most of them are campy but not ridiculous. Quantal? Really? Not only is that silly sounding, but it doesn't even follow along the kind of names they have been using.

      I don't even know why anyone bothers with cutesy code names. All it does is exist as useless thing to remember, a way to alienate users ("Quantal what? Lenny who?"), and is more ambiguous than just a version number, even an inflated one like Firefox (what are we, at version 256.0.1?)

      Maybe it's just supposed to be a fun way to pretend the work is more important than it is. Well, guess what, it's important anyway, no need to fluff it up.

      (yes, I'm no fun at parties, either)

      • I can't wait for the release of Firefox 256, which will become Firefox zero on Windows because it stores the program version number in a single byte.

      • by ais523 (1172701)
        The actual reason is so that specific versions of Ubuntu are easy to search for; it's using much the same principle as the googlewhack. Completely invented words would be better for that, but words that are merely rarely used work well enough in combination with the rest of the search term. You can search for version numbers, but it's often confused by other numbers that happen randomly on the page.
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      What are they going to do after Zaftig Zebra? Aangsty Aardvard?

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 18, 2012 @03:44PM (#41697449)
      I'm holding out until Wascally Wabbit is released.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:27PM (#41696275)

    I am waiting for the Zapping Zebra

  • LOL (Score:5, Funny)

    by Alwin Henseler (640539) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:29PM (#41696339) Homepage

    From the announcement:

    The timing is such that users can experiment before deciding if they want to invest in Windows 8 or go with an alternative and bypass that confusing new user interface Microsoft will be shipping.

    (emphasis mine)

    • Windows 8 (was 'Metro'), or "Raring Ringtail"... tap tap tap...

      (So want to call it "Raging Ringworm"...)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:30PM (#41696359)
    I'm even more eager for Trolling Tuna, which will usher in the year of Linux on the desktop.
    • I'm even more eager for Trolling Tuna, which will usher in the year of Linux on the desktop.

      In Soviet Russia, tuna trolls you!

  • Since Canonical is following (or leads) Mozilla in releasing on a quick schedule, does this also mean Canonical will be pulling this release tomorrow due to a security flaw?

    • I know this is meant as a joke but in case it's also a criticism of rapid release cycles as more insecure, I'll just point that slow release cycles often left vulnerabilities in the open for long periods of time. Who needs a zero day when the flaws are open and unpatched?

      • Well except in Canonical's case the updates are major changes and not necessarily fixes. Even if it included fixes relative to the previous release, it is possible to introduce more vulnerabilities to the system with all the new additions.

        I'd much rather my OS version be long lived with security updates than having it cutting edge every 6 months. This is why Ubuntu has a 'LTS' version.

  • So after I get my new laptop this weekend I'll throw on 12.04, wait for the massive wave of updates to abate and then upgrade. I can handle that!

    BTW, I'm running Peppermint 3.
  • by fuego451 (958976) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:38PM (#41696501) Journal
    If you switch to Debian you hardly ever have to update. Well, I did have to update libexif this a.m. but, just saying.... ;) Honestly, I kind of miss the old days of having to edit and recompile the kernel just to get sound, printing and, if things were going really well, a network connection. After 15 years, Debian is still a happy part of my life and will be to the end.
  • I downloaded and installed Cinnamon 1.6 DE for Ubuntu 12.04 a few weeks ago. I'm hooked on it. I've been reading up on Mint and it seems very appealing. That'll be my next desktop distro. I guess the next version is due out in a month.
  • by MrEricSir (398214) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:44PM (#41696601) Homepage

    Now that both Unity and Gnome have their own completely separate APIs for online accounts, it's time to start thinking about making life easier for application developers (instead of harder.)

    Why haven't we created a single, standard shell API? Is it that so much to ask? Us app developers shouldn't have to spend extra time customizing our applications so they work under each shell.

    Users shouldn't have to worry about whether or not their app's features will work with their shell. Why should they be forced to care?

    No, it's time to put standard APIs in place and stick with them. Linux is supposed to be about choice for the user, not about preventing interoperability.

    • Obligatory (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Cristofori42 (1001206) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:49PM (#41696667)

      Why haven't we created a single, standard shell API?

      Not disagreeing with you, but... http://xkcd.com/927/ [xkcd.com]

    • Obligatory xkcd? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      http://xkcd.com/927/

  • by Nikademus (631739) * <`ti.dralla' `ta' `duaner'> on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:48PM (#41696661) Homepage

    Honestly, I tried Ubuntu countless times, recommended it to a bunch of people, used it on some computers for a while, but they should really concentrate in getting the bugs worked out. Unfortunately, I am afraid, I will not use Ubuntu anywhere myself anymore. Don't take it wrong, I like the fact they want to put the linux desktop where it should be, but each release breaks more often that the former one, and I really don't understand why. As sad as I am to say that, each Ubuntu release looks more and more broken, in fact it even reminds me of Windows.
    I will stick with Debian on my desktops/laptops, I am currently using testing/wheezy, which is way more stable than any current Ubuntu, even the LTS releases...

    And yes, I know I will be flamed to give my opinion and I am repeating myself, but Ubuntu should really work out bugs instead of pushing eye candy.

    • Re:! stable (Score:5, Informative)

      by horza (87255) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @03:15PM (#41697021) Homepage

      As sad as I am to say that, each Ubuntu release looks more and more broken, in fact it even reminds me of Windows.

      Really? Your computer suddenly shuts down for no apparent reason whilst you are playing a game, only to find it reboots and completes some random update? You can't work because of the constant stream of Java/Flash/Antivirus that keep blinking at you to update them? All the utilities you regularly use keep flashing up nag screens at you or are crippled requiring you to upgrade to the "pro" version?

      YMMV, for me Ubuntu gets more and more stable with each release. I have zero problems with PP (only a few apps like Simplescan and a couple of others). The only reason I won't upgrade for the forseeable future is the advertising spam in the Dashboard.

      Phillip.

      • by gslj (214011)

        The only reason I won't upgrade for the forseeable future is the advertising spam in the Dashboard.

        Phillip.

        One switch in the privacy settings and the "advertisements" are gone.

        Gallium (not the element) is making a huge improvement in the display on my oldish main computer. I'm really liking QQ.

        -Gareth

        • by MLCT (1148749)

          One switch in the privacy settings and the "advertisements" are gone.

          That really isn't fine though. On something like that it has to be opt-in. Moves like that are basically guaranteeing my days with ubunt are over - any organisation that attempts to capitalize on people's ignorance or laziness to make money really doesn't have much of a moral core.

  • Adware/Spyware (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 18, 2012 @02:54PM (#41696741)

    To get rid of the annoying adware/spyware in Unity.

    $ sudo apt-get remove unity-scope-musicstores unity-lens-shopping

  • Quantal Quetzal

    ...

    Wasn't that the villain Daring Do fought, or something?

  • Ubuntu is NSFW (Score:5, Informative)

    by rmstar (114746) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @03:12PM (#41696991)

    Seriously. If you search for 'titanic' and don't type fast enough you may see adult content.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/ubuntu_12_10_review/ [theregister.co.uk]

    Or see the bug "No obvious way to restrict shopping suggestions from displaying adult products".

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054282 [launchpad.net]

    I think the devs and the people responsible are underestimating the degree to which this is a major fuckup.

  • by jones_supa (887896) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @03:19PM (#41697085)
    Maybe I'm a wide-eyed optimist, but I see a lot of potential in Ubuntu to bring desktop Linux to a whole new level.
    • Maybe I'm a wide-eyed optimist, but I see a lot of potential in Ubuntu to bring desktop Linux to a whole new level.

      Perhaps, but perhaps not a higher level...

      ...especially with Unity. The whole point of a GUI is so the user can know less about the underpinnings. Unity requires you to know more and do more work to be really functional. Seriously, the Dock is brain-dead. Having to text-search for applications (and know the "right" keywords) is brain-dead.

      The OS is becoming no better in this respect. Having the OS enabled to automatically search for, basically, everything assumes and encourages a retarded, undiscipl

  • Please consider Mint (Score:4, Interesting)

    by interval1066 (668936) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @03:20PM (#41697101) Homepage Journal
    Mint Maya with XFCE is out, and simply useable. 'nuff said.
  • This tweaked my interest with the mention of no more Unity 2D? I used to have an old version of Ubuntu on my desktop (10.04) then after several upgrades to 12.04 that eventually screwed up the kernel along with startup/shutdown issues I had to switch to Unity 2D for some sanity. Replacing it now with some kind of software rasterizer seems to me like such a kludge fix in my mind designed to piss off pepole even more and force them to switch to an alternative even quicker.

    At any rate I've been using Linux Min

  • What?! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Luthair (847766) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @03:41PM (#41697381)
    I already had Randy Racoon shirts printed!
  • by charnov (183495) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @03:41PM (#41697389) Homepage Journal

    I was testing out and as soon as I saw ads popping up, I moved to Mint (after a brief and very painful visit to Fedora).

  • by RanceJustice (2028040) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @03:57PM (#41697651)

    I can't say I'm comfortable with the direction Ubuntu is heading regarding privacy, online services and "apps" and more.

    The whole Amazon shopping "lens" is by far the most blatant issue. I'm sorry, no operating system (or truly, any program) should build in covert, opt-out only targeted adware/spyware/affiliate, especially without informing the user. The error is all the more egregious because it is made by an OS that is supposed to be respecting your privacy, tuned for the user's benefit, and generally operating under the ethos of Linux and the open source community. How much trouble could it have been to let the user decide for themselves which elements the search/lens system would use? Those that had any sort of affiliate/financial benefit, upon its first activation would provide a notification to the effect of "Please note that the Amazon lens appends the Ubuntu referral/affiliate ID to searches made on the website. This means when you purchase an item on Amazon that you found using the lens, Ubuntu will receive a small portion of the proceeds. Please note that we at Ubuntu do not receive any record of what item your purchased or any other personally identifiable data related to your Amazon transaction. We encourage you to leave the affiliate ID opted-in as it helps us to bring all the great software in Ubuntu to you without cost, but if you wish to opt out simply uncheck the box to your right. You may also enter another affiliate ID if you check the box below and enter the information of your preferred supporter". With this honesty, I can gather that many users would leave the affiliate ID intact. It is completely unacceptable to not provide this information.

    Thanks to Canonical demonstrating their lack of ethics when it comes to the Amazon lens, I'm increasingly suspicious that the OS is not designed with user preference and privacy, but instead puts covert financial benefit ahead of everything else. For instance, I think the lenses and web-apps themselves are dangerous from a security standpoint as it seems that by incorporating both local and remote/Internet results and programs, without the discreet choice of the user to do so, it obfuscates what data resides where, especially amongst the less technical users who need the most protection. There should be clear definitions of local, offline data and remote, online data and all users should have to make the conscious choice to say "Yes, I want my desktop search or application to interact with and pull data from the Internet, and this is exactly how". I also have to wonder how much of the data prevalent in these searches is being harvested - if Canonical is willing to covertly include their Amazon affiliate in the default desktop search of their OS, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't just as covertly take any information that their WebApps/OnlineServices/Lenses etc... and make it available for sale.

    Users of a Linux OS, much less the vanguard desktop Linux OS which acts as the face of Linux to many newcomers, shouldn't have to worry their OS is being designed to undermine user experience, preference, and privacy for profit. It damages the entire Linux and open source community, which have brought many users to their distributions by saying "Hey, we're not like those guys. We put user experience and ethics before profit. Look, its all Free and Open etc...". While it isn't exactly fair to the entire Linux and FOSS community, Canonical's actions will bring down judgements of hypocrisy and be an easy sticking point for critics and competitors. I know many will say "Just apt-get remove XXXYJASDJFDFDSD if you don't like it" or "Switch to another distro", but realize that especially for those who are new to Linux/FOSS, they aren't going to stick around for that if they have a bad experience - they'll just leave.

    Linux and FOSS have made some huge gains in the past few years, especially on the desktop. Look at all the new development and interest brought simply by the announcement that Steam will be coming to Linux.

  • by LVSlushdat (854194) on Thursday October 18, 2012 @04:56PM (#41698409)

    Thanks, but no thanks.. More than happy to stick with 12.04LTS till after 14.04LTS is released.. Been on that schedule since going from 6.06 to 8.04.. I usually wait till at least the .1 update on each LTS before I migrate to it, as I have better things to do then upgrade every damn six months... When Canonical announced that Unity was going to be the default WM in 12.04, and after I tried it out for a couple of weeks and damned near tore my hair out by the roots, I began looking for a replacement for my soon-to-be-EX-favorite distro.. Fortuantly I found Cinnamon, and with it installed on Ubuntu 12.04, it makes Ubuntu usable again, and its again my favorite distro.. Sure hope the Unity fiasco is a one-time burst of insanity and not a precursor of more insanity at Canonical/Ubuntu...

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