GNOMEbuntu Set To Arrive In October 157
First time accepted submitter Rzarector writes "Good News Everyone! Thanks to the Ubuntu Gnome Community and Jeremy Bicha, it seems that the popular distribution will ship a flavor with a relatively pure GNOME experience in the next release cycle, on October 18. At this point the effort is community based, but hopefully GNOMEbuntu will make it as an official Canonical spin, similar to Kubuntu, Xubuntu, et cetera, in the 13.04 release. This is the story: At the Ubuntu Developer Summit in May, some discussions took place on the need for a Gnome spin. On August 13, Jeremy Bicha posted on Gnome mailing lists about looking a name for the new Ubuntu derivative. After that, I had no news till Stinger gave us a thread in Ubuntu Forums. On there, Jeremy talks about working on an Alpha version! So I contacted him and he verified that GNOMEbuntu will be released together with Ubuntu 12.10."
I'm holding out for CinnaBuntu... (Score:5, Insightful)
...but I would also go for MateBuntu.
http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ [linuxmint.com]
http://mate-desktop.org/ [mate-desktop.org]
Why the Slashdot anti-Unity hate? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why all the Slashdot anti-Unity hate? Among my friends, they generally like or at least tolerate Unity. In the Ubuntu Software Center, the most recent (later than March 2012) reviews average 4 star.
I, personally, like it very much. It saves screen real-state and:
1) Provides direct buttons for all the programs I commonly use
2) For other programs, I just hit Super and type the first letters of the program name
It is perfectly convenient.
So why the hate?
Re:Sorry, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
For Kubuntu/Ubuntu, this "part of the official family" is pure cynical corporate marketing to Kubuntu's disadvantage. It is only good for Canonical and this thinking can and will hurt Kubuntu in the long run. They have been cast adrift and must admit it, and not just intellectually. In the corporate world you will really ONLY see what "officially part of the family" means when it comes to money.
Mandriva started from Redhat 5.1, is it part of the "official" Redhat family? No? Why? The money thing. Suse adopted the Redhat file structure and RPM package management system. Does that make it part of the Redhat family? Obviously no. If not, why not, for both Mandriva and Suse? Is it because it writes it's own installer and package manager even though for the most part they both can install pretty much the same RPMs? No, that's not it. Having similar and/or compatible package managers doesn't make systems part of the family except manybe for marketing. Taking ownership or spending time and money on it does. You are really only part of the official family if you are part of the corporate family. Otherwise you are part of the "we'll milk this as long as it gives us good marketing benefit" family. And again, that still comes back to money. Marketing is to make money.
And that's the crux. Right now the Kubuntu community is still in the, "we can still be friends stage." Later when it is understood that Canonical doesn't give a flying fuck about Kubuntu financially (and that means no free help or declining free help over time until reality sets in). And BTW, I don't blame Canonical, it is business. The now all volunteer Kubuntu needs to get that through their heads too. They should start with a name change to make it readily apparent in heads and in hearts.
I thiink right now there is still some warmth between kunbuntu and canonical. But as time goes by and less or no support comes from Canonical the rose will come off the bloom.
FWIW, when I use Linux (on my VM guest on Windows 7) I use Kubuntu.
Re:Which Gnome? (Score:5, Insightful)
What I can't digest about the unity interface is that it can't be effectively used as a mouse oriented UI nor can it be effectively used as a keyboard only UI. And that really makes a big difference for me. In an HTPC mouse only environment it is much easier to just use Gnome3 (even the theming for the living room aka huge fonts and buttons) are better applied by gnome shell. On the workstation again Gnome 3 works better because the keyboard mappings are very very concise and thought out, to the point where you can get to the behavioral patterns of a tiling wm without having done one modification. Unity? its nice if you have one hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse. Only that I am 99% less productive like that and it really doesn't make any sense.. And don't start talking about the hud thing because it plainly doesn't deliver.
deprecated == you suck, removed = you REALLY suck (Score:2, Insightful)
Totally with you on this one.
Every time I see "deprecated" or "removed", I curse the programmers to hell.
I installed a new webserver a few weeks ago, basically a job of moving working, production setup to new hardware and so of course a new OS level (though still linux.) moved some very vanilla Perl scripts to it, and bingo, they wouldn't run.
Fucking Perl changed how one of its special variables worked so that you have to use regular expressions to get the same effect, not to mention the scripts spew all manner of warnings about using references for hashes is deprecated. I then spent days digging through the code to change things so they'd work again. That wasn't all, either. Fucking Perl DBI module wouldn't talk to our postgreSQL server any longer, either, was bitching about "protocol", had to actually call python from perl so we could get to our data -- python still works (python 2 series... python 3... not even the same language, not interested, but thank you SO much for not breaking Python 2!!!.) Ended up writing a replacement for DBI that essentially is a wrapper around Python. Fucking fuck.
Fucking Apple broke the living shit out of cron in one "upgrade." And even once it was "working" it was spewing errors to the system console, which they promised to fix, but never did. They thought nothing of moving the ground by fucking with the PPC emulator, too... I fucking PAID for my PPC software, I'm not particularly inclined to just give it up because some Appletard thinks its "old."
Windows XP broke all the windows metrics that let devs know how to deal with titlebars.
When this shit happens, I just fume. Here we are, trying to do things the way we're supposed to, and fuck-all does it matter when the underlying OS or language or library takes a left turn because they're too fucking lazy or stupid to deal with how they told people it used to work. I swear, it reminds me of that scene in some movie where these two guys walk up to a door, open a listing, and ask "were you online in such and such a chatroom on such and such a date?" and then proceed to beat the living shit out of the guy. That's just how I feel about the assholes who break compatibility with prior use.
Fucking fucktarded fuckheads.
Programmers: If it isn't fucking broken, don't fucking fix it. You want new functionality? Fine. PUT IT IN A NEW MECHANISM. DON'T FUCKING BREAK THE EXISTING ONE. YOU FUCKING TARDFUCKERY ASSMUNCHING CARELESS DOUCHENOZZLE SUCKING ASS-BRAINED CHUCKLEFUCKS !!!ONE!LEVENTY!ONE!!!
I should feel better, but I really don't. Because I know it's going to keep happening. Because those new kids really kinda suck at this whole programming thing.
Re:Which Gnome? (Score:2, Insightful)
Actually, Gnome Shell isn't the problem with Gnome 3. Yes it's a big divisive change that some people hate, but it works pretty well.
The real problem with Gnome 3 is the continued march of "I, the developer don't know why you would want this feature, so clearly no one needs it, so I will remove it. Anyone that disagrees in Wrong. Even if that means that everyone other than me is Wrong".