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Linux Mint 13 (Maya) Has Arrived 216

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New submitter OceanMan7 writes "Linux Mint 13 (Maya) has just been released. DVDs come in four flavors — MATE (with and without codecs) and Cinnamon (with and without codecs) — in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. The codec-free versions comply with U.S. and Japanese IP regulations. MATE 1.2 is Linux Mint's community-powered extension of Gnome 2. Cinnamon 1.4 is built upon Gnome 3, but has a more traditional look and feel. As with Ubuntu 12.04, upon which Linux Mint draws, all editions come with Long-term support (LTS) until April, 2017. The release notes provide a list of changes.
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Linux Mint 13 (Maya) Has Arrived

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  • by dyingtolive (1393037) <{brad.arnett} {at} {notforhire.org}> on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @05:06PM (#40093479)
    but isn't that 8 flavors? (2+2)*2? Or does processor architecture not count as a flavor?
    • by jbolden (176878)

      2 desktops * 2 bit sizes * with/without codecs = 8. However there are also 2 OEM version so 10 total.

      • by unixisc (2429386)
        Both desktops don't have the with/without codecs option, do they? Only GNOME3 does. But I agree - there are simply a huge number of combinations to test to ensure that they're all working right. And that's not even factoring in KDE, Razor-qt, LDXE, XFCE and all the others.
        • by jbolden (176878)

          Yep they do. Main page already has the 8 listed for version 13: http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=18 [linuxmint.com]
          AFAIK the last time they put out an XFCE was version 9, when they also had a Fluxbox. I assume that's been completely dropped. The version 13 user's guide is written in terms of MATE. Are you sure they aren't going Gnome variants only?

        • by jbolden (176878)

          Let me correct my previous answer. It appears the XFCE ... (excluding KDE) are grouped with the LMDE edition which is based on Debian Testing not Ubuntu. Essentially Mint has two totally different distributions Ubuntu based for Gnome variants and KDE and Debian based LMDE which is a rolling distribution.

          • by unixisc (2429386)
            I thought that their LMDE was targeted towards servers, while their Ubuntu based versions were targeted towards desktops. LMDE, like you said, offers MATE, Cinnamon and XFCE while their Ubuntu distro has Debian and LXDE as well. I think the other DEs, like KDE, LXDE and XFCE will be added later as well.
            • by jbolden (176878)

              As far as I can tell LMDE is targeted to desktop users as well, just as Mint was designed as a slight improvement over Ubunutu, LMDE is designed for those who run Debian Testing. The Mint desktop, the codecs and the software that Debian won't touch are the big advantages over just running Debian Testing all of which effect desktops. So installing Skype on LMDE is not a hassle.

              The big advantage LMDE has over Mint (using Ubuntu) is they don't pick up all the heavy weight add ons of Ubuntu. At startup that

    • by Baloroth (2370816)

      I wouldn't consider "with codecs" and "without codecs" flavors, exactly, since they don't really change the install at all. More like "legally covering our asses." They don't even have direct links to the downloads in TFA.

  • Still not impressed (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @05:28PM (#40093701)

    Mint, to me, is still a buggier and less supported version of Unbuntu.
    Not to say I'm that pleased with Ubuntu but every time I've tried Mint I've come away with two hard realizations

    1. If you have problems, they are harder to fix and it's harder to get support for them.
    2. I have more showstopping bugs than Ubuntu.
    3. You end up doing a /lot/ of reinstalling when it comes time to move to a new release.

    I'm not a moron and I've deployed mint on Good hardware that run both windows and other distros just fine. Mint just has a very vocal fanbase that I don't happen to agree with.

    That said, Ubuntu's not very useful to me either. It's UI has taken a trip to lala land and isnt very useful anymore. I'd accuse them of copying microft's new UI efforts.. Except that Ubuntu's breaking of the UI predates both win phone 7 and windows 8. Go fig.

    I suggest that everyone go check out Fedora. No, it's not very romantic or cutting edge. But it does work. Very well. It's also very well supported.
    Check out the "spins" where you can download an iso customized to the UI of your choice. I'm a fan of xfce, which makes even gnome3 look bloated and slow.

  • I'm currently on Linux Mint LXDE 11, or Linux Mint 11 LXDE, or whatever it's called. I love that it's so extremely fast to start stuff up, much more so than my previous some-other-distro with KDE4.

    Is there, or will there, be an LXDE release for Mint 13? I can't figure it out from the site. (Yes, I'm bad at reading, apparently.)

  • by Saija (1114681)
    I just finished downloading and installing Lisa(version 12) last week...
    • Lucky me. I was about 10 minutes away from installing version 12. Backing up my home directory took too long and I decided to check Slashdot.
    • by arkhan_jg (618674)

      Mint has a fairly good 'data and software package list backup, then do a fresh install from livecd' approach for upgrades.

      More here [linuxmint.com].

  • by Dwedit (232252) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @05:46PM (#40093925) Homepage

    I just tested out 32-bit linux mint cinnamon in VirtualBox.
    Most of the text is missing!

    http://i.imgur.com/F0af2.jpg [imgur.com]

    • by Chemisor (97276) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @07:04PM (#40094773)

      Well, duh! You're using the 32-bit version, missing out on half the bits. If you want all the bits to work, install the 64-bit version, like any sane person would.

    • I just tested out 32-bit linux mint cinnamon in VirtualBox. Most of the text is missing!

      http://i.imgur.com/F0af2.jpg [imgur.com]

      This is a good example case of some weird broken stuff you come across every now and then when using desktop Linux.

      Can someone explain what happens there? Someone suggested it's about video memory. Then why does it not check if there's enough available?

      Whatever the reason is, there's not enough robustness in the GUI.

  • by ourlovecanlastforeve (795111) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @06:04PM (#40094121)
    Mint has now come full circle: It was originally rolled up when Ubuntu stopped distributing codecs, now it has a codec free version. In other words, it's a distro based on a distro based on a distro that no longer has a purpose. Contribute upstream.
    • The original purpose of Mint may have been to include codecs, but today Mint is more like a stable version of Ubuntu with sane software choices out of the box.

  • My laptop was dual-boot Win7 and Mint 12 (Ubuntu-based). What I noticed during installation / use:

    1) Installed left me with an unbootable system. GRUB had the right menu items, but none worked. I needed to boot from the live Mint 13 installation CD, install a package for repairing the boot loader, and run the program that came with it. Worked pretty well, but not sure if it's fixed yet. And even now, I have two GRUB entries for Win7. Only the first one works.

    2) Screen locking doesn't work, at least for me.

    3

  • Hmmn

    Under important info: Boot hangs on systems with b43 wireless cards.
    Guess it won't be going on my laptop anytime soon..

  • by Osgeld (1900440) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @08:04PM (#40095233)

    Yea ok I used to like mint when ubuntu went "pants on head retarded", but I havent been lately

    10 and anything before it works fine

    11 constantly fucks up something on the desktop with a "your taskabar (or clock or whatever) has stopped working, would you like to delete it?" trap

    12 ships with gnome 3 AND their clunky menu system, really how many start menus do I need ... MS apparently says zero so it could be worse

    12 with gnome 2 suffers the random thing is going to break and you should delete it syndrome as 11

    LXDE versions of them all plain suck, I view LXDE as a half finished pain in the ass version of XFCE that requires me to do dumb shit like open a file explorer to empty trash, or fart out a regular expression just to set the fucking clock format

    so now that 13 is out, I say "not for me", too much trouble, xubuntu is doing great, thanks, and they just released a new LTS

  • Sensible defaults (Score:5, Insightful)

    by humanrev (2606607) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @10:36PM (#40096217)

    I think most people are aware that Linux Mint is just a customized version of Ubuntu. Nothing special in that regard. However, the reason Mint is so popular is because it has something very important that a lot of people desire - sensible defaults.

    Sure, you can take a stock Ubuntu installation and replace Unity with MATE/Cinnamon, install additional codecs, move the window buttons to the left so that you don't have to readjust your muscle memory and so on, but Linux Mint has this performed for you out of the box. It also has other changes like an absence of purple in the GRUB, Plymouth and login/desktop screens, which might seem petty but the Mint color scheme whilst grey and somewhat boring, feels far more professional and less garish. Once again, chances you can make if you know how with Ubuntu, but Mint is already preset with them for you.

    Mint feels like a distro where the developers aren't interested in futzing around with challenging traditional UI perceptions, and would instead rather provide a distro based on a (reasonably) solid foundation which anyone can use which still looks nice and doesn't force you to relearn how to perform efficiently in a foreign UI. The motivation for Canonical is to be on as many devices as possible - the motivation for the Mint team is to make a usable Linux distro for computers with as few hindrances as possible.

  • Hybryde (Score:4, Informative)

    by unixisc (2429386) on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @11:53PM (#40096651)

    For those wondering about Cinnamon vs Mate vs Unity vs KDE vs LXDE vs XFCE vs whatever, there is a new distro out called Hybryde. From the distrowatch announcement

    Olivier Larrieu has announced the release of Hybryde Linux 1, a desktop Linux distribution with one unique feature - the ability to switch rapidly and fluidly between a number of desktop environments and window managers without logging out and without having to close open applications first. The list includes Enlightenment 17, GNOME Shell, GNOME 3 "Fallback" mode, KDE, LXDE, Openbox, Unity, Xfce and FVWM. The switching between desktops is achieved via a customisable Hy-menu which also allows launching applications and configuring the system. The project's website is in French and by default the distribution only supports the French language, but extra language packs can be installed from standard Ubuntu 12.04 repositories.

    Okay, MATE and Cinnamon weren't among the listed options, so it might have been good had they forked off Mint, as opposed to Ubuntu, so that they could have included that as well. I'm guessing that they probably only offer liberated software, which is why complete GNOME 3 is not offered, since it requires 3D accelaration to work, for which liberated drivers are not available. Unless they're trying to get the FSF seal of approval, they might as well offer a full GNOME3, w/ an advisory that it's not a fully liberated DE.

    Oh, and then there are all the other Ubuntu derivative Linuxes, such as Comice, dyne:bolic, ExTiX, gNewSense, LuninuX, Trisquel and Zorin.

  • If I download and burn the installer DVD, can I just boot the DVD and click something to upgrade the machine's original Ubuntu (v11.10) to Mint, with little or no further intervention? Which will let me reboot and launch Evolution and Firefox with all my configs and data intact?

    And if I don't like it, can I boot from an Ubuntu installer CD to revert? Or maybe something even easier?

    • It's not quite that easy, AFAIK.

      If you've put your /home directory in it's own partition, then it's straight-forward to avoid losing your personal data / settings when changing which version of Linux is installed.

      But unfortunately, that also means that you'll have to tell Ubuntu's / Mint's installer that you're using a custom partitioning scheme. So you'll need to get a little more involved during the installation process than if you hadn't used a separate partition for your /home directory.

      • by Tarlus (1000874)

        But unfortunately, that also means that you'll have to tell Ubuntu's / Mint's installer that you're using a custom partitioning scheme. So you'll need to get a little more involved during the installation process than if you hadn't used a separate partition for your /home directory.

        I usually just let it go with the defaults in the OS partition and then later I edit fstab to restore my /home partition. Far less hassle that way.

  • Oh by the way! (Score:3, Informative)

    by unixhero (1276774) on Thursday May 24, 2012 @02:49AM (#40097307)
    Release notes: Boot hangs on systems with b43 wireless cards WHAT??? This is a very common set of cheap broadcom wireless chips used in tens-if-not-hundreds of 2-5 year laptop models. What a particularly strange thing NOT to fix before you ship a release to the public. Of every laptop I "refurbish" and install Linux Mint on, 1 out of 3 has the B43 chipset. I can't believe it. I have to see this with my own eyes. ... Ship a release that doesn't support the ess1869 of wireless chipsets
    • by Tokah (859694)
      This is still a release candidate, I believe, so wait for the final version?
  • I only briefly tested it, but the Mate edition looks excellent, it's not quirky. it's like the old gnome 2 is back, with no bugs and small applets such as xeyes. it's the editiion to use, works everywhere, no need for a 3D driver to run it. also in a funny way it feels lightweight nowadays, due to most other desktops being really bloated (or xfce not being that much lighter)

    Especially awesome is, despite its Windows XP taskbar set up, with the big Mint menu, you can easily add a top panel if you wish, and c

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