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Mozilla Leaves Out Linux For Initial Web App Support

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  • Fork it, then (Score:5, Insightful)

    by crazyjj (2598719) * on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:25AM (#40004427)

    Unlike with Internet Explorer, if the Linux community feels strongly about this, they could always do their own fork. So stop bitching and start coding.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      That's right Fork it! And fork them!

      I'll just use another browser!

      Forking summa batches!

      It mighta as well, too! The spiel checker hasn't worked on Linux in many many releases.

    • Re:Fork it, then (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:34AM (#40004523)

      You most likely wouldn't even need to fork it, it's not like Mozilla is fundamentally opposed to the idea, they just can't justify the resources necessary for it at the moment. If you were to fully implement it with some decent code, I'm pretty sure Mozilla would be more than happy to integrate it.

    • Re:Fork it, then (Score:4, Informative)

      by Ramin_HAL9001 (1677134) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:39AM (#40004595)

      There are like 20 forks of Firefox for Linux already, I can't even keep track of them all: Iceweasel, Seamonkey, Icecat, Swiftfox, Flock, ...

      There are even more based on WebKit.

      • Iceweasel is really just a rebranding, technically it's a fork but the code is identical to Firefox.

      • Re:Fork it, then (Score:5, Informative)

        by Vintermann (400722) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @09:09AM (#40004901) Homepage

        Seamonkey isn't a fork of Firefox, it's the other way around. Seamonkey is what remains of the old Mozilla suite. I'm surprised it's under active development.

        • Seamonkey provides a mail client with a much better interface than Thunderbird. The browser is nice too. You should try it.
          • Re:Fork it, then (Score:4, Informative)

            by Pausanias (681077) <<pausaniasx> <at> <gmail.com>> on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @10:03AM (#40005471)

            It's also one of the better lightweight HTML editors out there. Perfect for when someone without experience needs to edit a web page for content.

    • Re:Fork it, then (Score:4, Insightful)

      by cpu6502 (1960974) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:46AM (#40004667)

      Forking is what causes forking confusion.

      It makes newbies runaway from GNUlinux rather than try it, and even experienced people like me say, "I'm tired of 10 different variants of Mozilla browsers, and the desktop changing every release. I'm going back to Win or Mac OS for some multiyear stability."

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Zero__Kelvin (151819)

        "I'm going back to Win or Mac OS for some multiyear stability.""

        I approve highly of the use of your logical or in this case, but even though the compiler will get it right, it is best to include parenthesis for ease of readability and maintainability. Best Practice recommendation is: ((win) or (Mac OS for some multiyear stability));

    • by EMN13 (11493) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @09:23AM (#40005061) Homepage
    • First there's Chromium. Then, those using Debian already have IceWeasel. But even aside from that, there are the DE based browsers - Konqueror/Rekonq in KDE, GNOME Web (Epiphany) in GNOME, and for those not hung up on open-source, there's even Opera. Quite a few choices out there. Also, given what Mozilla has been doing lately, maybe Linux can be thankful that they're leaving them out. Although surprising, given that Windows has IE and Apple has Safari, it's a bit strange that they are the primary targ
    • by donaldm (919619)
      For most users it is not a good idea to get first release applications. The best testing initially comes from the developers as well as the alpha and beta users and the last thing you want are annoying bugs appearing in the finished product since the customer usually gets annoyed. Actually if anyone has read the first link you will read that the people are discussing getting the Linux Community involved. Even if you read the second link you will see that while Linux apps comes third after MS Windows and Mac
    • Does anybody still run Mozilla's Firefox on Linux? Every distro already switched to a fork ages ago.

    • by Grishnakh (216268)

      Or they can just switch to Chromium, which is also open-source and doesn't have all the problems that Firefox has been having lately. Of course, that will cause the Mozilla people to bitch and whine.

  • Useless anyway (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hatta (162192) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:29AM (#40004455) Journal

    What's a "web app marketplace" and why would I need one anyway? There's plenty of useful software available to me in the repositories. There are plenty of websites I can browse with a regular browser. There are plenty of extensions I can use to customize my browsing experience.

    Seriously, what does a "web app marketplace" have to offer that isn't already done better through one of the above resources?

    • by firex726 (1188453)

      Ease of use for the lay-users.

      People have gotten used to using "Apps" all over the place, and expect them to be all neatly collected in one area for them to browse.

      • That's what repositories are for. Re-inventing the wheel to do that within every app is, well, retarded. Adobe on windows, anyone?

        Grandparent is correct. This is rather useless on a platform such as linux that does software management the right way.

        • by firex726 (1188453)

          Your point being? OP makes no referance for it being on Linux, just that it's "useless".

          This is being rolled out on Macs and Windows.

          An 87 year old grandmother is not going to know what all these new-fangled "repositories" are. Nor will she Google around and search a dozen sites for a plugin she is wanting.
          She does know that her phone has an App store where she can get games and apps, and now here on her computer's browser is something also named App Marketplace, so that must be where she is supposed to go

    • Re:Useless anyway (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Lumpy (12016) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:38AM (#40004573) Homepage

      "Seriously, what does a "web app marketplace" have to offer that isn't already done better through one of the above resources?"

      A way for Mozilla foundation to have direct access to your wallet.

    • Re:Useless anyway (Score:5, Insightful)

      by metalgamer84 (1916754) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:40AM (#40004601)
      Welcome to to the tablet/smartphone age, where everything is an app. Apps on your tablet, apps on your phone, apps on your desktop, apps on your laptop. "Software" is no more, "apps" are the future...or something like that. I despise this market shift of the last four or five years of everything needs to be mobilized as an app so no matter if you are on a tablet, smartphone or laptop/desktop everything is an app.

      Apps have a place, I guess, on phones and tablets. Keep that crap off of my machines that I actually use for productivity(laptop/desktop).
      • Re:Useless anyway (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Chemisor (97276) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @09:59AM (#40005433)

        App is merely the new name for software. It isn't even all that new; weren't we talking about "killer apps" twenty years ago? I, for one, welcome our new, shorter named, software.

      • by Tom (822)

        Actually, it's not too new a concept on OS X. The Apps you download from the Mac App Store are identical to the software you could download for OS X ever since it got started. That's because OS X has always bundled up applications into one folder, instead of scattering their files all over the place like windows does. That's why uninstalling an application in OS X consists of dragging it into the trashcan.

        Basically, when the Mac App Store opened, it was another place to find Mac software, nothing more and n

    • by vlm (69642)

      Seriously, what does a "web app marketplace" have to offer that isn't already done better through one of the above resources?

      Monetize that, so you get to pay for noscript, adblock plus, etc. I'm thinking this is not going to turn out well.

      For years I've been waiting for chrome to have addons as good as FF. Maybe being forced to pay will be the big push.

      • Monetize that, so you get to pay for noscript, adblock plus, etc. I'm thinking this is not going to turn out well.

        That's a little dramatic, isn't it? I mean, to really realize that, they'd have to lock down Firefox so that inly accepts AddOns from their store...and, yeah, we all disagree with them lately, but that's just too stupid.

    • by hendridm (302246)

      Seriously, what does a "web app marketplace" have to offer that isn't already done better through one of the above resources?

      Agreed. I need a fucking web browser. Does it still do that? Great.

      How about focusing on making it run faster?

    • by Rogerborg (306625) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @09:08AM (#40004891) Homepage
      How else are you going to leverage your cloudsourced synergies and focus your thinkspaces across the board going forward?
    • It's not for you, it's for the developers. Who can make cross-platform apps with less pain. Which means you will find some excellent software there. Take a look at Chrome's marketplace to get an idea.

    • by jedidiah (1196)

      More importantly: Why would a "web app" marketplace be platform specific anyways?

      Isn't the whole point of the web and the browser the fact that it is it's own platform detached from the underlying operating system?

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  • Runs pretty nicely in Linux. It's a good deal faster than FF anyway.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by AltF4ToWin (1976486)
      And the marketplace works. Not that I or anyone in the known universe uses it. But at least it works.
    • by mcgrew (92797) *

      Runs pretty nicely in Linux. It's a good deal faster than FF anyway.

      How is it with Flash compared to FF? I'm using FF right now, and the Linux box is mostly used for radio and TV streams, most of which use flash. Which stopped working Sunday when I updated to 12.04...

  • What? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Corson (746347) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:36AM (#40004557)
    I thought that Web App = platform independence? If it's not not then what's the point of developing Web Apps?
    • by Merk42 (1906718)
      THIS. Any features the Web App would have would be dependent on the browser (in this case Firefox) not the host OS*

      *unless you want to count the possibility of h.264 encoding being relied on the OS.
    • Subject says it all

    • Web apps == (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The whole point of web apps is to tie you to an online service, make your data less secure, and lose your privacy so that you become a marketing unit on their business plan.

      And the 2nd point of web apps, or perhaps not a point but an effect nevertheless, is to try to make you forget what decent Human Interfaces on native apps used to look like, so that you don't mind using an in-browser GUI that is more primitive and less responsive than anything we had in the 80's, and badly designed to boot because webbie

    • Re:What? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by EMN13 (11493) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @09:11AM (#40004933) Homepage

      In other shocking news, different platforms requiring different implementations of this rather non-critical feature don't get the feature exactly simultaneously. And here I was hoping they'd have quantum entangled programmers whose coding is either both done or not done.

      This isn't a story.

  • Meh... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Lumpy (12016) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:37AM (#40004565) Homepage

    Chrome works better anyways, most guys I know that use linux are using Chrome and it's app store.

    Mozilla has become a also ran lately, they need to get their focus back if they want to get back in the race.

    • by h4rr4r (612664)

      I use chromium and chrome at times, but does anyone actually use the app store?

      As far as I can tell it is just a bunch of bookmarks. Totally pointless.

  • Pretty obvious.
    85+ for Windows
    12% for Mac OS
    2.5% for GNUlinux

  • pathetic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AntEater (16627) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @08:40AM (#40004613) Homepage

    "...shrugging this off as Windows and Mac dominate the Mozilla user landscape today."

    And that is a big part of why Windows and Mac continue to dominate the landscape. The Linux versions of many apps tend to be second rate. Then the developers look at it and say "see, nobody really wanted it on that platform anyway."

    That's a pretty sad statement for an open project to make.

  • I'm using Chrome on Linux and only rarely dust off FF.

    The question is not if this was a good policy decision, the question is whether anyone will notice.

    • by robmv (855035)

      As much as I dislike being left behind for the first version, pleople forget that the same happens on Google side, Google Talk plugin, Drive client, even the initial version of Chrome where Windows and Mac only, We are always left behind by Google, There is no Drive sync client for Linux yet (but it will come).

  • Terrible move on mozilla's side, even if most of their end-users are mac/windows based clients a good part of us web developers use linux. I least I know I ain't developing a thing for the store as long as there is no linux support, not because I don't want to but because debugging would be too hard over a virtual machine or whatever.
  • So please tell me, how does one generically "install" an application on "Linux"?

    It's silly to complain about Linux not being supported when Linux itself doesn't support the basic concept. It will probably be up to the distribution vendors like Ubuntu to customize this for their own desktop environment.

    • by daid303 (843777)

      Tell me the same for MacOS and Windows please?

    • Select the file to install with your mouse, doubleclick. Works in pretty much any desktop distribution. Also, if you want it to work in any distribution, make an archive with static-linked compiled files. Skype has done that, so can you.
    • So please tell me, how does one generically "install" an application on "Linux"?

      Well, first the user has typically "subscribed" to an "app store" called a software repository, this is typically already done for them at OS install, but you're free to add other "app stores" if you're an "advanced" user (read: average Linux user).
      Then the user searches for an app, and is presented results from EVERY app store they've registered (or "advanced mode": select only specific app stores to search in). The chose app is then automatically downloaded, configured and installed from the "App Store

  • by Severus Snape (2376318) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @09:08AM (#40004897)
    A lot of the people who contribute to Mozilla do so because of their their belief in libre software in which they found through the Linux. Linux isn't just enother platform, it is much more valuable to the Mozilla, their foolish if they can't see that.
  • by mrpacmanjel (38218) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @09:10AM (#40004921)

    I sort of understand why Mozilla have done this - they're only talking about the "App marketplace" not development of the browser itself - they are trying to raise funds for Firefox development by selling apps. (I assume).

    That's how I understand it, then again I stopped using Firefox last year and switched to Chromium - the open-source version of Chrome - they are also forks of Chromium designed to remove all sorts of tracking code too.

    Most people I know have switched away from Firefox and are using Chrome or Chromium instead.

    The best thing about Chrome/Chromium is they are part of the "webkit family" which means wider support and consistent HTML5 adherence.

    Firefox is feeling a bit dated anyway - All I can say is "Good Luck with that" Mozilla!

  • by Tsingi (870990) <graham.rick@gma i l .com> on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @09:48AM (#40005289)
    Firefox isn't the best browser to develop with anyway. I use SVG and it doesn't support the whole spec.
    I still use it as a browser, but it's not part of my dev ide. I use Chrome.
  • by jds2501 (2639823) on Tuesday May 15, 2012 @10:07AM (#40005511)
    Hi Everyone, Linux support for web apps is actively being worked on. Our contributor (Marco) is driving the implementation of it here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744193 [mozilla.org] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744190 [mozilla.org] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745018 [mozilla.org] If you would like to help out, then feel free to drop a comment in those bugs!

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