Google Talks About Its Ubuntu Experience 230
dartttt writes "There was a very interesting session at the Ubuntu Developer Summit by Google developer Thomas Bushnell. He talked about how Ubuntu, its derivatives and Goobuntu (Google's customized Ubuntu based distro) are used by Google developers. He starts by saying 'Precise Rocks,' and that many Google employees use Ubuntu — including managers, software engineers, translators, people who wrote the original Unix, and people who have no clue about Unix. Many developers working on Chrome and Android use Ubuntu. Ubuntu systems at Google are upgraded every LTS release. The entire process of upgrading can take as much as four months, and it is also quite expensive, as one reboot or a small change can cost them as much as a million dollars across the company."
Bushnell also mentions that Google Drive will soon be available for Linux. Other news out of UDS: there was discussion of a GNOME flavor of 12.10, Electronic Arts reaffirmed that they "won't delay their Windows work for Linux," and Unity 2D is likely to disappear in 12.10.
Upgrades do suck (Score:5, Insightful)
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I've been running the Ubuntu upgrades for the past five or six year and for the most part and have very very few problems.
Re:Upgrades do suck (Score:5, Informative)
It does happen though, and quite severely. For example, roundcube got thoroughly busted on an upgrade when using sqlite:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/roundcube/+bug/900190 [launchpad.net]
This may have bitten debian as well though, so I don't know if Debian fared any better (e.g. the last comment in that bug).
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I figure, worst case, try the upgrade and if there are problems, do a fresh install then re-install all pps based applications from a backup of the list.
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I should add, that the only problem I ever had was when one of the repos I needed was off-line during the upgrade, and instead of waiting I told it to continue anyway. It was a mistake.
The way to do it (Score:3)
Have a separate (huge) partition for /home.
Have multiple OS partitions (about 30GB each, give or take).
Have your Ubuntu on one OS partition.
Install the latest Ubuntu on another OS partition, fresh or over a dd copy of the old one.
Switch among them as desired.
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perhaps migration scripts would be a better approach than simply trusting each package upgrade to never fail...
That is what do-release-upgrade does. It downloads a migration tarball for the package that you are upgrading to. That tarball contains scripts that are supposed to fix any upgrade issues that can't be (or aren't) handled within the package itself. If you want to see how this works, have a look at the upgrade tarball for Precise [ubuntu.com]
Re:Upgrades do suck (Score:4, Interesting)
I jump around distros a lot. But I have had poor upgrade experiences with Ubuntu. Not so good with Fedora either. On the other hand, I have had decent upgrade experiences with openSUSE since they introduced 'zypper dist-upgrade' (not perfect, maybe about 4 out of 5 upgrade seamlessly, including upgrading 2 versions forward.)
What makes them so different? The package management system? Or maybe just the love and care given it?
Re:Upgrades do suck (Score:4, Insightful)
What makes them so different? The package management system? Or maybe just the love and care given it?
I think it's the care and love. It's not just the upgrades to new major versions of the distro, it's also updates within the same major version, and how well things work to begin with.
Debian and Ubuntu use the same packaging system, and I have had great experiences and terrible experiences with both of them. Ubuntu made a name for itself by providing a very polished, complete experience out of the box. Since then, they seem to have been chasing new features at the expense of quality. I haven't had an Ubuntu install work completely right since 2008 or so. And that's clean installs, I'm not even talking about upgrades.
Debian stable, for all that their long release cycles are ridiculed, really care about quality control. Basically, the new release goes out only once it has been extensively tested and either all known critical bugs have been fixed, or at least the known bug count for the new release is substantially lower than that for the existing release. Almost as a bonus, their upgrades usually work perfectly, they support a huge number of packages, and they support a great number of architectures. On the other hand, Debian is more a "build your own experience" distro than a "get a polished, complete experience out of the box" distro. I like this, but I certainly see the value of having a complete, polished system out of the box, too.
Alas, even though Debian has done better for me than any other system I have ever used, even with Debian I have had problems; once, a system wouldn't come back up after a kernel upgrade. Another time, the Exim configuration was broken by an upgrade. Ok, so it's only two issues in over 10 years and hundreds of upgrades, but still, it means Debian is not perfect.
In terms of packaging systems, I believe Debian was the first to really make automatic dependency resolution and single command distro upgrades work, at least for binary packages. However, the rest of the world has mostly caught up now; some distros use the tools developed by Debian, some use others, like Yum, and as far as I know, they all work. So I really think the difference is in the quality control and the priority it gets. What is the top priority for the people behind the distribution? Is it quality? Is it shipping the new release on schedule? Is it including the latest software? You have to do all of those to an extent to be relevant, but when push comes to shove, I think Debian is one of the few distros that will sacrifice everything to quality: they will delay their release and they will throw out packages that are not adequately maintained. If a distro has different priorities, it is not surprising that quality suffers somewhat.
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With Linux desktops, it's almost better to reimage them then do a mass roll out of dist-upgrade and pray it works.
Your opinion has been colored by the crap Ubuntu puts out. Try it on Debian, it works. My home server started as Debian Potato with kernel 2.2 and has been upgraded continuously all the way to Wheezy. For most of its life it was my desktop as well as my server. And yes, I run my server on Debian unstable. Just don't let anybody tell you you that re-imaging is a fact of life. Just because Canonical has trouble with it (and Google has major major trouble with it because of certain idiocy I won't get into) doe
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Re:Upgrades do suck (Score:4, Insightful)
Then late last month I was rearranging hardware and ripped the damn SATA connector on my primary hard drive in half, so I had to reinstall from scratch. I had backups, so no data was lost, but when I bought a replacement disk I decided to give Linux Mint a spin.
I find all this venom between the different distributions disturbing. The free software community makes some amazing cool stuff, and I love Linux and enjoy using it. But it's not hard to understand why corporations with tens of billions of dollars in the bank can invest more in bug-testing upgrade processes than projects backed almost entirely by volunteers (Debian), funded by a relatively small business (Ubuntu), or funded by a slightly larger business (Red Hat). If Microsoft still has upgrade bugs galore, and they have complete control over the operating system stack and are the primary customer of all the PC hardware vendors, it should be no surprise that the free software community does too.
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I agree that upgrading doesn't work well on Ubuntu. Here is what I usually do: I have to internal drives of the same size. When I have to upgrade, I install the new version on the spare drive and then copy the home folder and various other files from the old drive to the new one. It doesn't work very well, you have to adjust permissions and delete various old settings in .config and other places, but in general it's the easiest way to upgrade in my experience.
Ubuntu is in dire need of a working migration as
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Which is incredibly easy to do in a LTSP environment.
just do a reinstall on the server over the weekend and re mount the User data raid. all done. The 3 IT guys can play nerf wars and eat pizza for the 4 hours it takes.
Re:Upgrades do suck (Score:4, Insightful)
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10?! That can't be right. How many versions of Firef...oh, 12.
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The Debian Mozilla Team [debian.net] provides a very simple page describing how to use just about any current version of Firefox/Iceweasel on any current version of Debian.
I'm still using Squeeze myself and I've been getting the lastest verisons of Iceweasel within a day or so of them being released.
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Firefox 10 is the current version of Firefox ESR, which is meant to offer extended support. Exactly the right thing for Debian.
And if you absolutely what the latest and greatest, then you can add that as a Debian maintained repository and just upgrade.
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Ubuntu LTS to LTS is typically a longer life cycle than Debian Stable to Debian Stable. And both are derived from Debian Testing.
Actually, Ubuntu draws from unstable. And then they add their own stuff, such as Unity.
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Actually Ubuntu LTS releases draw from testing[1], only non-LTS releases draw from unstable.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS [ubuntu.com]
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debian stable is a debian testing after freeze and stabilization. ubuntu lts is whatever debian testing was, when the ubuntu LTS release was scheduled to be released + some minor fixes. so for stability parity, ubuntu would need to wait for debian testing to freeze before making a new LTS.
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really feel? (Score:2)
You mean like if it is a copy-cat Debian?
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that is the equivalent of upgrading from windows 95 to windows 7 /8 and having a stable system (hint: ain't going to happen).
Actually, is the equivalent of upgrading from Windows 2000 to Windows 7. Have you tried it?
And, they are clean and stable machines post upgrade.
Depends on what you're running. Many many applications changed configuration parameters, paths and misc dependencies since 2000 (starting with X itself), so I don't think it will work that well for everybody.
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You sound like a Redshat user. (or a windows troll). Only RH and derivatives don't upgrade.
I've never had a problem with minor version upgrades on CentOS. Only major versions need a reinstall and they happen every few years.
Debian and derivatives are the easiest things to upgrade in the world. And, they are clean and stable machines post upgrade.
I took one Ubuntu server through all the versions from 8.04 to 10.04 and reinstalling 10.04 from scratch was easier in the end than trying to fix up the various problems that left behind. I just upgraded my netbook from 11.10 to 12.04 and that was the wo
No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Informative)
OK, I'm not sure I understand the whole "get rid of Unity 2D" thing. As I understand it, Unity 3D means it's accelerated, but VMware and other virtualization environments don't support GPU acceleration for Ubuntu yet, so that leave people who prefer to run Ubuntu in a VM without a GUI. Where's the logic in that? Not even Windows forces you to have a modern video card for hardware acceleration -- if your hardware can't do Aero Glass, Windows just switches it off.
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I think they mean that Unity isn't going to support legacy (pre-2009ish) video hardware. That makes sense. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do on the desktop, but you need the oomph to push it. At some point you need a cutoff, otherwise you end up making a lot of comprimises to help the perhaps 1-2% of your userbase.
Re:No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Informative)
His example specifically called out virtual machines. The emulated graphics cards *frequently* won't do what is needed for a reasonable 3D situation. Now there is an emulated path (e.g. at least fedora 17 can do gnome shell in a VM even), but the experience is atrocious (CPU load is massive and that's another thing that is constrained in a VM). Even with my not quite-that-ancient integrated AMD graphics, compiz causes mythfrontend to crawl, whereas it is serviceable without compositing.
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Do you know what makes sense?
Not wasting time doing graphical gimmicks for a window manager (which will be buggy and slow anyway)
"to help the perhaps 1-2% of your userbase"
I think the number is higher, still, why should I upgrade my machine to run the latest versions?
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My 2009 era netbook is still running 10.04, which is the last version of Ubuntu to have the "best" Netbook Remix (pre-Unity), and will probably continue to run 10.04 until either the battery completely wears out, or the screen breaks. I have a much older 2003 era laptop that runs hardy heron (2008 release) just great.
Generally I don't recommend upgrading beyond the first LTS release of Ubuntu for your system, especially mobile systems. They just can't handle it. Too much damn feature creep. Really,
Re:No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Interesting)
This is a UI, not a video game. There's no reason why a UI should require that much oomph to work. At this point if your UI can't run on a decade old computer, that's a pretty good indication that you don't know what you're doing.
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Which is why they fall back to something like Gnome 3 if the system can't handle it. If you don't like the idea of all the eye candy turned on, you can just default to Gnome 3 and call it a day. I don't know what they call it, but it's probably something along the lines of "opt-out rich computing experience".
TL;DR they addressed your issues, I don't understand what you're complaining about
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Businesses dont WANT to do a lot of "cool" on their desktop.
So in other words, Ubuntu has decided that they have no interest in business use of Ubuntu. Got it!
Re:No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Informative)
Unity3D will still be usable without GPU acceleration, it will use a new software implementation of OpenGL called llvmpipe. llvmpipe is a much better software rasteriser than we've traditionally had, but it's still software which means it's significantly slower than even the simplest of hardware OpenGL implementations.
Re:No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Insightful)
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How does "significantly slower" == "still be usable"?
Because our magical video cards can do this windowing shit at 600 or 6000 fps and we only need 60, tops
Re:No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Informative)
In the Ubuntu case, they are doing the same thing Fedora did in 17. If it can't be hardware accelerated, use the CPU to do the graphics operations. And yes, it is as slow as it sounds, contrary to various advocates swearing it's good enough.
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Most of the computers I deal with that can't handle the graphics acceleration certainly can't do it on the CPU (looking at a little Pentium III laptop I still use (Dell C400)).
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people with modern cpus are having modern gpus. but the people with old hardware are fucked anyway then ... slow cpu, no opengl on gpu ...
Adwords Editor for linux? (Score:3)
The worst thing is, isn't Adwords Editor written with XUL? Shouldn't that make it portable or something? At this point, I'd prefer it was written in Java!
Forget Unity and KDE (Score:2, Interesting)
Ubuntu 12.04 + Cinnamon. Better than Linux Mint 12, though I'm anxious to see what LM13 will look like.
Ads in the desktop (Score:5, Interesting)
The last update to Ubuntu brought advertising into my desktop. I tried to search for an application and the unity dashboard presented me with music albums from the music store.
Fucking hell.
I understand if they pack rhythmbox chokefull of advertising for their music store. I would hate it but I'd at least understand it. But when the simple task of starting an application, the most basic task of graphical shells, is used as an opportunity to advertise to me, I've had enough.
That's jumping the shark twice.
I already ditched Ubuntu for LinuxMint in my desktop but used Ubuntu in my media center. I'm changing OS next time.
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try this patch ... sorry, the lameness filter doesn't allow it. oh well,
basically /usr/share/software-center/backend/channel_impl/aptchannels.py
comment out "self._append_banner_ads()"
and in appfilter.py
AVAILABLE_FOR_PURCHASE_MAGIC_CHANNEL_NAME
from if (not pkgname in self.cache
I've been an Ubuntu user since 8.04 (Score:2)
I haven't looked back. I pretty much follow Google's model for my primary desktops (home and work) -- I stick with the LTS releases, and transition several months after the new LTS comes out. In the interim, I load up the non-LTS releases in VMs or on secondary machines to try them out and get a feel for what's coming in the next LTS release.
Have to say, I'm not a Unity fan so far. I've been using GNOME up until now, but will likely transition to KDE when I upgrade to 12.04. KDE does seem to be a resource p
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I've been using GNOME up until now, but will likely transition to KDE when I upgrade to 12.04. KDE does seem to be a resource pig, but hey RAM is cheap these days, all my desktops have at least 8GB.
Try XFCE (via Xubuntu). Looks like Gnome2, and is not a resource hog.
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Ubuntu Sucks (Score:3, Insightful)
Just because Google uses it doesn't mean it's any good. I'm not being a troll here - if you'd try a distro other than Ubuntu, you'd find that Ubuntu isy really, really bad, bloated, and slow. Yes, there are other distros that are equally as bad or worse, but there is an abundance of distros that far exceed what Ubuntu provides.
I'd suggest Archlinux myself, or plain old Debian if you want something that's stable and easy. Arch has rolling updates meaning you don't have milestones - packages just get updated as they get changed by their developers, so no real upgrade hell there. Debian is rock solid (more than Ubuntu), and is great for servers and everything in between - it's the right balance of coddling/ease of use and stability, without the bloat and crap.
The real issue with Ubuntu's serious suckage is that it's been made too corporate, and has been hijacked by a corp. While other distros are funded and run by corps, they tend to keep the spirit of open, nonintrusive, non ad-based OS'es going instead of forcing changes, ads, and other BS (like Unity) on their users without any real notice. They also don't make people so unable to fix their own problems by coddling them with a GUI for everything.
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while I am no fan of ubuntu its hard to argue with a system out of the box installing in 20 min with just about everything you need, you cant even get debian to a installed command line in that amount of time, and those of us with shit internet access dont want to spend a day and a half for all the "bloat" that comes on a normal live cd these days
then OMFG theres the video situation, if you dont mind the piss poor slow freetard solution your ok, but if you want to install nvidia or ati on debian prepare for
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Arch breaks often in it's update and is seriously not recommended in production environments.
Second debian though.
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Ubuntu is a really nice 6 monthly debian release, just do not use the ubuntu-desktop but kde or gnome or whatever else. The Crap is centered around unity, so do not use unity and the software-center, and you do not notice the sucking parts.
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Xubuntu works fine for me right now, but out of curiosity, could you or someone else recommend an alternative to Xubuntu 12.04? Most of the other distros I know (except Mint) seemed to be a bit hard to install. I'm looking for:
What would you recommend?
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i do not think, you know what a rolling release distro is.
This (mediocre) video says more about Google... (Score:2)
And Google
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Less idiomatically, the problem is that a lot of things can be in them which shouldn't be distributed outside the company. Two broad categories would be proprietary company data and proprietary user data. I don't think users of Google products would be happy if we were sending out core dumps containing proprietary user data whenever some program crashed while that data was in core. So we don't.
Goobuntu a distro? I have doubts. (Score:2)
and Goobuntu (Google's customized Ubuntu based distro)
I'm not sure you can call it a distro, as it (correct me if I'm wrong) was never distributed. And from the looks of it from videos released by Google, it appeared to be merely Ubuntu with a "Goobuntu" splash screen. So, secondly, I'm not sure changing the boot splash qualifies it as a distinct distro in its own right.
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some modified ubuntu rollout is no distro, its your way of rolling out ubuntu in your company. Its a Distribution, when you make it available for other persons.
The perspective of a home user on updates (Score:4, Insightful)
I have been using computers for about 15 years now and here are my thoughts concerning OS updates and (to a lesser degree) updates in general:
I try to avoid updates like hell.
More often than not, an upgrade will tend to make the system slower, influence your user experience by changing the way you do stuff (for no apparent reason), and break things. So unless we are talking about an update that adds important functionality that is worth the risk it comes with, it just won't come anywhere near my system(s). Obviously, this way of filtering updates lets (most) security updates pass for machines that are online. I put really important systems on an air-gap network.
The above also means that UI (or similar) updates are straight out. No UI is flawless. No OS comes complete with the functionality you wished for. Once you set up a system and adjust it so that it won't (badly) suck, then chances are that you will be finding ways to add functionality using 3rd party software, learn how to do things someone decided you are not supposed to (also known as "hacks" for you youngsters) and in general bring it to a state that you are more or less happy with.
They why, oh why, do you have to go and mess it up?
I'm not saying that I don't use the new stuff, but usually such new experiences also come with new machines that (in general) get fresh installations of the latest versions of everything that is needed. I found this to minimize the pain and time wasted, and most importantly, it puts you in control. If you perform a casual update and things go awry, then it is highly probable that you will be wasting time on trying to fix it, while you should be paying attention on more important things.
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you're speaking like a typical windows user.
update? oh no, it will break things, try to detect my pirated software and make everything slower.
the typical linux user is more like:
upgrade? cool, new features, more stable software, better drivers.
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you're speaking like a typical windows user.
update? oh no, it will break things, try to detect my pirated software and make everything slower.
the typical linux user is more like:
upgrade? cool, new features, more stable software, better drivers.
and then the linux user wanders off and starts working on the dependecy graph.
Hypocrisy (Score:4, Interesting)
Love the joke at 7:30: they're blocking Ubuntu packages that phone home, since they cannot afford to let work-data leave company premises... however, they CAN use Google Drive.
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But this guy actually manages a large fleet of ubuntu systems. Do you?
Re:Precise (Score:5, Interesting)
There is much more to ubuntu than the default desktop environment, right from their hardware support to their extensive list of software and ppas. Even then, it's always good to have a modern but simple DE for people just getting into Linux, and Unity is one of the best DEs for that. (I personally use gnome shell)
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I'm an Awesome WM user at home, but I use Unity at work for a couple of weeks by now and I don't see what's so problematic with it, except for the bugs (which are plenty, unfortunately).
It has keyboard shortcuts to switch workspaces (CTRL+arrow) and a decent keyboard drive application launcher (plus shortcut for the Terminal).
Sure, it's not tilling -which is often annoying- but that'd be a little too much to ask.
Re:Unity 2D (Score:5, Insightful)
I just had a new bit of Unity experience yesterday. I had tried the early horribly unstable versions but switched away very quickly. Yesterday, I did a long-overdue update of Ubuntu on girlfriend's netbook to 12.04. Here's how it went after the upgrade.
She logs in, the computer seems a tad slow (yea, Unity 3D on a netbook). Figures out the icons for launching apps are on the left panel, wants to add GIMP there. Types gimp in the search bar thing, its icon appears. Right-clicks it hoping for a context menu, instead GIMP launches. Tries again, left-click, it launches. Tries again, drags the icon to the panel, it works. Sort of - the panel gets a button for the GIMP, but there's no icon on it, it just appears blank. Next she wants to run Chrome. As she types "chro", the UI freezes and shortly thereafter there's a message that Compiz crashed. It restarts, now GIMP's button shows the icon, too. She browses the Web for a bit, then I take the computer to see if I can turn some stuff off to speed it up. I open a terminal, check performance data there, try alt-tab, doesn't work. Okay. I open the control center, go to Appearance, Compiz crashes again. Then I find online that, to change Compiz-related config, I have to separately install a settings plugin for it. It's not available by default even through Unity is the default DE. At least then I found you can switch to Unity 2D.
I was pretty open to seeing how Unity would perform now. After all, I had only used the early versions. But this experience was horrible - 2 crashes within the first 15 minutes, definite slowness, and I'm pretty sure my gf will soon be asking to switch to a different interface, she's really uncomfortable with Unity so far.
Love the OS, really can't get used to Unity (Score:3, Insightful)
Ubuntu/Precise is awesome. It really shows how much effort went into this release. I am extremely happy with how little I needed to customize or fix after installing it on my laptop (suspend/resume, encrypted file systems, unusual hardware drivers ... all the things that usually cause problems worked out of the box).
On the other hand, despite trying to get used to Unity, the new UI just does not work for me. I can even (almost) understand the design choices. It certainly looks shiny and discoverability of m
Re:Unity 2D (Score:5, Informative)
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You could always just put a shell script on the desktop and click it when you want it to run.
Re:Unity 2D (Score:5, Informative)
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I don't understand. Why can't you just click on the script itself and have it run, just like every other GUI for the past 30 years?
XFCE (Score:2)
When I upgraded Ubuntu and encountered Unity, I too was shocked at how bad it was. Instant revulsion. I tried to stick with it for 6 weeks to see if it was just me, but it was bad. I got rid of it and reverted to Gnome, but it had grown so bloated that the responsiveness of the entire system had gone to hell. Thank god I discovered the light-weight windowing environments that have been out there for years, maintained by a small but loyal fan base. I switched to XFCE and hey presto my venerable 600mhz m
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"How to return to classic Gnome in Ubuntu":
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/classicgnome [psychocats.net]
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wants to add GIMP there. Types gimp in the search bar thing, its icon appears
- ha ha ha, that's right, everybody now needs to know every name of every application.
Want to open 'notepad'? Well, unless you renamed it or have 'Wine' installed (by the way, 'Wine'), you'll need to remember 'gedit'.
This is just all wrong, and if they wanted to replicate iPad on a desktop they got it wrong too. I don't believe anybody TYPES 'gedit' on iPad to open a notepad, they just flick to the leftmost edge and there is the notepad.
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Why are you not just install Xfce or KDE, the well tested, well used, well behaving desktops (I did not include Gnome because of Gnome 3.0)? In 5 years or the next two LTE Ubuntu versions you can try Unity again if you like so, but I see no reason to use a not tested, beta desktop, other then curiosity.
Btw, KDE 4 with 3D effects enabled are working nice on a netbook (of course you should not enable all effects at once).
Re:Unity 2D (Score:5, Insightful)
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I'm surprised some post-install scripts don't switch the default environment to 2D for computers with weak graphics cards.
..or indeed, people with nVidia cards which are still waiting for a stable driver.
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Re:Unity 2D (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not like it's a big deal just to use a different DE.
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While I'm the anti-Unity GP, I still recommend you try it, if you're half-way proficient with Linux and know how to easily switch back and forth. I mean, sometimes you end up liking something that most people don't, and with a desktop environment there's little to lose. It's not like it takes time to install or to switch back to another one later.
Case in point - I happen to like the MS Office ribbon and think that, except for the Office button (fixed in 2010), it's considerably superior to the old menus, bu
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Usually, once you launch an app in Unity, you right click on it's icon in the task bar and tell it to stick in the launcher.
Which is totally intuitive. Why the heck should I have to run an application in order to create an icon for it?
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But the point of a decent UI is that someone shouldn't have to post to /. to get a solution to a UI problem.
Re:I think the real news (Score:5, Informative)
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Fancy seeing you here :-)
Re:I think the real news (Score:5, Insightful)
is that EA has even noticed Linux.
They noticed that the browser based games they are pushing happen to work fine in Linux systems without any work at all. That's the only sort of game they are enabling. They aren't doing anything with their 3D game engine sort of stuff. Basically, Linux is a side-effect of pursuing the casual gamer market through browsers.
but you guys hand pick your hardware, you're in the minority.
Except that most people who even kind of care stick with brand names like 'Radeon' and 'nVidia' that do 'just work' in windows and linux distributions that are practical about helping with binary blobs (e.g. fedora isn't 'just work' until you add fusion, but ubuntu just works). Intel integrated as of *late* also just works (in more places) though it's unimpressively slow. In theory you can get non-AMD, non-nVidia, non-Intel graphics, but I'm hard pressed to think of a *consumer* product that does that anymore.
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I would love to see a way to test android apps directly in my desktop rather than using a virtual machine. And I don't see why it should be so hard. The phone interfaces are mocked on the VM anyway.
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Well, it's probably not what you're looking for, but the next version (Jelly Bean) lists the ability to install and dual boot on a laptop as one of the goals. Reader beware: I'm not really into Android development, so I'm just going off of the Wikipedia article, which lists it as being released third quarter this year: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history [wikipedia.org]
I just read it, so if somebody could confirm, deny or provide more info, it would be interesting. Android could be a nice Linux on a desk
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Well, some technical and poitical challenges about basing 'Goobuntu' on Android:
When Canonical proposed running Android apps on Ubuntu, they received a lukewarm response from Google.
Google have been reticient about getting their Android patches merged into the main Linux kernel (occuring slowly).
Android uses a cut-down C library (bionic) which would make porting desktop apps. I'm not sure whether Android would build against glibc or whether there's any impetus to add missing features to bionic.
Android uses
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You now only have 1 window for the same application, no matter how many chrome or terminal windows you might have open.
I must be missing something. You do Alt-tab to the application, then press down to show all the windows of that application. How is that only having one window?
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Can you tile two windows for easy comparison?
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If you've been using Linux since 1997 then you should have been able to fix this. And you should have known you needed backups NO MATTER what. You trusted a vendor with a system YOU depended on? That isn't Linux OR the vendors fault .. that's ALL on you. I mean seriously ... after being a "proponent" of Linux for FIFTEEN years .. you let your "sweet setup" get borked up and couldn't fix it.
I call bullshit.
This I've been an advocate of Linux for years and just want it to work .. is a lot like started a state
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you're implying, that someone who uses a computer for a long time NEEDS to know something about computers. so like "you're having a car for a long time, why can't you just fix the engine yourself"
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If that's the case, why not just go w/ Kubuntu? Google can also get a whole bunch of K-apps, like Calligra Office Suite, and it would be nice if they could refine some of those apps. If needed, re-brand them.
Incidentally, what is Chromium OS based on - Gentoo? I think Google should also look at the BSDs - particularly PC-BSD, and come up w/ a derivative distro on that. Or, if Google prefers something w/ a Debian backgound (like apt), they could have people on kFreeBSD, work w/ Debian in getting that o
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Why not just install every available DE and let individual users select xmonad from the login screen?
Offer everything; *support* only Unity.