Google Talks About Its Ubuntu Experience 230
dartttt writes "There was a very interesting session at the Ubuntu Developer Summit by Google developer Thomas Bushnell. He talked about how Ubuntu, its derivatives and Goobuntu (Google's customized Ubuntu based distro) are used by Google developers. He starts by saying 'Precise Rocks,' and that many Google employees use Ubuntu — including managers, software engineers, translators, people who wrote the original Unix, and people who have no clue about Unix. Many developers working on Chrome and Android use Ubuntu. Ubuntu systems at Google are upgraded every LTS release. The entire process of upgrading can take as much as four months, and it is also quite expensive, as one reboot or a small change can cost them as much as a million dollars across the company."
Bushnell also mentions that Google Drive will soon be available for Linux. Other news out of UDS: there was discussion of a GNOME flavor of 12.10, Electronic Arts reaffirmed that they "won't delay their Windows work for Linux," and Unity 2D is likely to disappear in 12.10.
Re:Precise (Score:0, Informative)
No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Informative)
OK, I'm not sure I understand the whole "get rid of Unity 2D" thing. As I understand it, Unity 3D means it's accelerated, but VMware and other virtualization environments don't support GPU acceleration for Ubuntu yet, so that leave people who prefer to run Ubuntu in a VM without a GUI. Where's the logic in that? Not even Windows forces you to have a modern video card for hardware acceleration -- if your hardware can't do Aero Glass, Windows just switches it off.
Re:No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Informative)
Unity3D will still be usable without GPU acceleration, it will use a new software implementation of OpenGL called llvmpipe. llvmpipe is a much better software rasteriser than we've traditionally had, but it's still software which means it's significantly slower than even the simplest of hardware OpenGL implementations.
Re:Upgrades do suck (Score:5, Informative)
It does happen though, and quite severely. For example, roundcube got thoroughly busted on an upgrade when using sqlite:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/roundcube/+bug/900190 [launchpad.net]
This may have bitten debian as well though, so I don't know if Debian fared any better (e.g. the last comment in that bug).
Re:No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Informative)
His example specifically called out virtual machines. The emulated graphics cards *frequently* won't do what is needed for a reasonable 3D situation. Now there is an emulated path (e.g. at least fedora 17 can do gnome shell in a VM even), but the experience is atrocious (CPU load is massive and that's another thing that is constrained in a VM). Even with my not quite-that-ancient integrated AMD graphics, compiz causes mythfrontend to crawl, whereas it is serviceable without compositing.
Re:Unity 2D (Score:1, Informative)
I just had a new bit of Unity experience yesterday. I had tried the early horribly unstable versions but switched away very quickly. Yesterday, I did a long-overdue update of Ubuntu on girlfriend's netbook to 12.04. Here's how it went after the upgrade.
What a coincidence, my girlfriend and i had a unity experience yesterday too. I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure it involved DDs and not DDDs.
I'm pretty sure my gf will soon be asking to switch to a different interface, she's really uncomfortable with Unity so far.
I wouldn't push her to try different interfaces if she's uncomfortable with you current unity. Be patient, and when she does get curious about trying another interface, go slowly.
Re:I think the real news (Score:5, Informative)
Re:No more Unity 2D? (Score:5, Informative)
In the Ubuntu case, they are doing the same thing Fedora did in 17. If it can't be hardware accelerated, use the CPU to do the graphics operations. And yes, it is as slow as it sounds, contrary to various advocates swearing it's good enough.
Re:Unity 2D (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Unity 2D (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Upgrades do suck (Score:2, Informative)
The Debian Mozilla Team [debian.net] provides a very simple page describing how to use just about any current version of Firefox/Iceweasel on any current version of Debian.
I'm still using Squeeze myself and I've been getting the lastest verisons of Iceweasel within a day or so of them being released.
Re:Unity 2D (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Ads in the desktop (Score:3, Informative)
try this patch ... sorry, the lameness filter doesn't allow it. oh well,
basically /usr/share/software-center/backend/channel_impl/aptchannels.py
comment out "self._append_banner_ads()"
and in appfilter.py
AVAILABLE_FOR_PURCHASE_MAGIC_CHANNEL_NAME
from if (not pkgname in self.cache