Ubuntu 12.04 To Include Head-Up Display Menus 449
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For the first few years of its existence, it would have been fair to say that Canonical was essentially polishing, packaging and publishing Debian Linux (and Gnome) to create the base Ubuntu desktop, to great acclaim. For the past few years, though, the company has pushed new looks and new applications (cf. Unity and Ubuntu TV), and refused to stick with prettifying existing interfaces. Now, Barence writes with this excerpt from PC Pro: "Ubuntu is set to replace the 30-year-old computer menu system with a 'Head-Up Display' that allows users to simply type or speak menu commands. Instead of hunting through drop-down menus to find application commands, Ubuntu's Head-Up Display lets users type what they want to do into a search box. The system suggests possible commands as the user begins typing – entering 'Rad' would bring up the Radial blur command in the GIMP art package, for example. HUD also uses fuzzy matching and learns from past searches to ensure the correct commands are offered to users. Canonical's Mark Shuttleworth told PC Pro the HUD will make it easier for people to learn new software packages, and migrate from Windows to Linux software without having to relearn menus. The HUD will first appear in Ubuntu 12.04."
Too fast ! (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd rather have them make Unity usable first. We'll see if they are able to do it and we may decide to move forward from that point.
LTS? (Score:5, Insightful)
Innovation is... (Score:5, Insightful)
Replacing the 30 year old GUI with the 40 year old CLI*.
(*plus autocomplete, yay)
The concept... (Score:3, Insightful)
...sounds good. That is almost the way I work now on windows or linux. On windows I more often than not hit (windows) + R to get the run box and then type the name of the .exe I want to run. On Ubuntu, it is (alt) + (f2) and type a command. I for one hope our Ubuntu overlords pull this off.
Re:Too fast ! (Score:5, Insightful)
LTS? (Score:5, Insightful)
Innovation (Score:5, Insightful)
I have to say it... While there have been a lot of issues with Unity and Ubuntu in general I love the fact that Ubuntu dares to try and do genuine innovation.
Let's face it: It's easy to bash something that "sucks", but it requires a lot more courage to risk braking stuff and trying to find genuinely new approaches to existing problems.
Wasted money (Score:5, Insightful)
"...without having to relearn menus" (Score:3, Insightful)
As a side note, it should be interesting to study the privacy and security implications of this approach. A careful read of the Ubuntu mailing lists (all of which I'm on) reveals that -- so far -- nobody has put up their hand and pointed out that this "helpful" approach has as one obvious side effect the construction of a resource that's enormously useful to attackers.
Re:Innovation (Score:5, Insightful)
Courage: Yes.
Sense: No.
Lots of things take courage, including throwing yourself off a building. It doesn't mean it's a good idea.
My first thought was actually:
"For fuck's sake. No another attempted 'paradigm' shift on how my users are supposed to run the only program they use and print a document from it."
Seriously, innovation is all well and good. But can someone please innovate around getting a system that increase productivity by NOT requiring retraining. Every "new" way to do things costs money and customers. Whereas a lot of people would pay a lot of money for a system that operates pretty much like Windows 95 did, but without the bugs and other horrendous ideas it had like Active Desktop.
Where is the "Productive Desktop Distro"?
Re:LTS? (Score:3, Insightful)
If you are introducing such a far reaching goal you probably want as much time to work on it as possible
You clearly don't understand the LTS release cycle in the slightest.
Re:Too fast ! (Score:5, Insightful)
Xubuntu. XFCE to the rescue.
Re:They're inventing the CLI? (Score:4, Insightful)
I can already do that with kubuntu
So if you are using GIMP in Kubuntu, you can just type "Undo His..." in the desktop's search box and the menu entry for Undo History will come to the forefront? I just tried it for shits and giggles and it don't work. This is very smart on Canonical's part but don't let the Ubuntu-hate grind to a halt on my account.
Re:LTS? (Score:5, Insightful)
LTS has never been for software that's already stable. Traditionally LTS releases are the most buggy versions upon launch. No system administrator jumps from one LTS to another without waiting a few months for Canonical to get the kinks out.
When people talk about "stability" with LTS releases they're talking about it being unchanging, not being free of bugs. Because it's unchanging Canonical usually makes sure LTS releases come with the latest greatest of everything, because three years down the line it's still going to be stuck with that version of everything - with bug fixes of course.
It sounds counter intuitive, but it wouldn't make sense for something you need to support for three to five years to come with software that's "tried and tested" - because that'd mean a distribution that's obsolete long before its support period is up.
good riddance (Score:5, Insightful)
Reading stuff like that is making me happy I left the Linux-on-the-desktop world years ago.
Where is the research showing that menus are bad and the studies proving this new system is better? Everything else is just geeks doing mental masturbation. Unless you have a seizable number of actual user tests, you are a fucking idiot to put a massive change in user interface into production.
Experiments are cool, and needed to move forward. Don't get me wrong. And as someone who is in love with Quicksilver, this is absolutely an interesting approach.
But you are still a fucking idiot if you confuse "interesting idea" with "ready for production just because we've finished the code".
Don't test UI ideas on your users. As long as you do that, Linux will never be ready for the desktop, because non-geek users hate that.
Re:stuff that doesn't work (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmm, I think I disagree a little.
Per your other rants, it's not my duty on *my computer* to "change paradigms" at the whim of pseudo-bored software companies. When they want to fiddle with stuff, I am likely to try to put it back. I put back the classic menus in Excel, I put back the classic flywheel Start menu, etc. Bonus - my plugin gives me the original menus in Excel rather than the horrible new ones. It proves that the code was hidden, not dropped.
I am a fan of low-tek plugins / widgets for stuff like that. So if some feature has a dumb bug in it, maybe try to code a little utility that fixes it! (Or commission someone else to do it.)
Case in point - Windows 7. I like that it has 8 more years of back end middleware so that some more stuff "just works", but I was grumpy with all the little bumps, so I hunted around all the settings and disabled most of the candy. (You know, it's like cotton candy from a fair, it looks all swirly but there's nothing there.)
However, yes, there are limits, if the company totally overhauls the UI, and strips out the original feature code, rather than hiding it, then you might as well use a whole other distro / UI / platform/ etc.
Re:Too fast ! (Score:5, Insightful)
I actually like Gnome 3 better than Gnome 2. I bitched about it at first. But it improved my productivity. Sometimes we only resist change because we are used to something. True, change for change's sake is not necessarily good. But sometimes you have to experiment with new things. Otherwise, you can't find a better way of doing what you always did before. The old way of doing things is often based on the limitations of the time. It's good that we keep distros and desktop environments that apply the old ways. But it doesn't mean that the new way may not be better.
And sometimes the new way is not all that new. It seems to me that the new heads up display is very much like what I usually do anyways... Alt-F2 and call my fav. command. That was true to call an application why can it not be true about a menu command? Sometimes the menu command is easy to figure out, but where it is being kept is hard. And lots of time is wasted in finding it.
It's actually an old interface if you think about it. The first version of AutoCAD I knew (for DOS) had this command line that you could use in conjunction with the mouse. It increased productivity back then enormously for not forcing you to constantly wave the mouse back and forth between the menu and where it needs to be. Once you memorize the commands it just works. And guess what? AutoCAD still has that function. Since the 1980s. It's probably what has kept it as the top CAD solution (at least in civil engineering it is) despite its price tag. The command line is awesome. Now, Ubuntu proposes in essence to carry on that power (no quite, I'm sure you can't just cut and paste a string of commands from the clipboard thus making a spreadsheet a preferred interface of mine to AutoCAD) to pretty much every application. I think it is awesome. I think it is not new, and about time that it was done. Watch out AutoDesk. AutoCAD may end up having some competition through no fault of their own (the competitors, I mean).
Re:Too fast ! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Too fast ! (Score:4, Insightful)
In the cage, hang a banana on a string and put stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the monkeys with cold water. After a while, another monkey will make an attempt with the same response - all of the monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Keep this up for several days. Turn off the cold water. If, later, another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it even though no water sprays them. Now, remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted. Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm. Replace the third original monkey with a new one. The new one makes it to the stairs and is attacked as well. Two of the four monkeys that beat him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey. After replacing the fourth and fifth original monkeys, all the monkeys which have been sprayed with cold water have been replaced. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs.
Why not?
"Because that's the way it's always been done around here."
Cherry picked from http://www.wowzone.com/5monkeys.htm [wowzone.com] because I don't know the origin
We all get complacent with our tools because we know how to make them work. Don't be opened to the fact that how you do something may not be the best way to get it done
Re:Too fast ! (Score:2, Insightful)
Exactly!
I don't switch to a window, I switch to a different task. That task has a whole set of windows. By using multiple desktops the windows of the current task are all nicely listed in alt-tab, and on the taskbar. No window hunting at all.
Even worse is if there is only 1 taskbar even if you have two windows. I know I want the browser window of the current task that is on the right monitor. And I know it is the only browser window on the right monitor that belongs to the current task, but I still have to search it between all browser windows, because there is nothing that only lists the windows of the right monitor :(
Re:Too fast ! (Score:4, Insightful)
Err.. You already can. Alt-F2, then:
mail user@host.tld file.txt
if you want a subject line,
mail -s "Here's he file" user@host.tld file.txt