Fedora 14 Released and Reviewed — Advanced, and Not For Wimps

Several readers have sent word that Fedora 14, codenamed Laughlin, has been released. A brief listing of the major changes has been posted, and the download is available at the Fedora project's site. Reader jfruhlinger points out a quick review of the new version, saying, "Remember the days when being a Linux user was like being part of a select priesthood — arcane knowledge needed, but great rewards? Steven Vaughan-Nichols has tested out Fedora 14, and that was how it went. No Ubuntu-style handholding, but some powerful new features."

Wanker

[chill]

Reading the comments to that blog shows he reviewed a Beta, not the release. Every single bug he said he ran into had been fixed before the release.

Ignore link Steven Vaughan reviewed the BETA!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

He reviewed the Beta version of F14!!! for crying out loud!!! Really thought that Slashdot was more responsible than this.

Review was BS

[chrisj_0]

he reviewed the Beta and all the problems he listed are fixed. Read the comments at the end of TFA.

Windows Logo on New Fedoraproject.org Site

[Sponge Bath]

The new fedoraproject.org site uses 4 icons (freedom, friends, features, first) in the same colors as the Windows logo that can be pieced together like the Windows icon. Kind of odd.

Re:Wanker

[ak3ldama]

The only indication that it is beta is that he released his review before Fedora 14 was actually released! First paragraph:

That's not to say that the newest version of Fedora, Fedora 14 Laughlin, is hard to use. It's not. But, if you need a lot of handholding as you explore Linux, I think you'll be better off with Ubuntu.

Though later he says:

There is a fix on the way for this problem, but it still wasn't in the late beta software I was trying out.

The tags at the top do not mention it as beta, nor does the title. That is far from being genuine... I think this article is pure trash personally. I saw it yesterday in the /. firehose where it belonged. I can not believe it made the front page. Running around installing the latest linux distro (pre-release at that!) in a virtual machine is not news worthy and makes for junk journalism.

Re:Wanker

[HeckRuler]

Well ok, but is the gist still correct? Is Fedora 14 for the elite uber-admins? While I'd like to be the sort of person who knows his box back and forth, I'd also like to just plug in [wireless-card/mic/spleunky/starcraft2/maptool/softwareRaid/Audacity/whatnot] and simply have it work. Those don't exactly go hand in hand. You know when you're on a date and you go to play a movie, but the sound isn't working and you try to fix it and she walks off around the point you start opening man pages?
Yeah, I've been there and I don't particularly want to go back.

Re:Advanced, and Not For Wimps

[gstoddart]

You know, Id like to meet this "Script0Granny" you speak of. That sounds like an interesting old bitty.

Her name was Rear Admiral Grace Hopper [wikipedia.org], and I bet she's still giving them hell someplace. =)

There have been others, I'm sure. But none quite like her.

virtualbox

[nnet]

Installed and runs fine on virtualbox for me....

Re:Wanker

[AdamWill]

SJVN: Look at the bug reports I linked to: they have confirmations from multiple reporters that the bugs are fixed. I've got two F14 systems and a couple of VMs here, I can run Brasero on any of them and it works fine, for instance. The only bug that you mentioned that isn't fixed, exactly, is the USB 3.0 problem: USB 3.0 support was actually disabled on purpose because if we turn it on it breaks suspend/resume, and that hasn't changed for final (contrary to what I wrote in my comment). We did, however, document workarounds on the Common Bugs page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#usb_3.0 [fedoraproject.org] .

You never replied to my comment that 'release candidate' is a tricky concept when it comes to Fedora, because we have 'release candidates' of the Alpha and the Beta as well as 'release candidates' of the final release. I also asked if you could post the filename and sha256sum of the images you tested so I could confirm exactly what it is you were testing, but you didn't reply to that, either.

It's possible that you really are testing the final release and you're seeing bugs that look exactly the same as bugs that other people saw in the Beta and subsequently confirmed were fixed but are in fact *different* bugs, I guess, but it seems unlikely, and there's no way to tell for sure unless you let us know exactly what images you tested.

Re:Fedora vs Ubuntu

[AdamWill]

"Ubuntu is more aimed at polished experience for the end user in terms of QA prior to the release. Fedora developers however rely on early user reports after the release."

This is not true.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Desktop_validation_testing [fedoraproject.org]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Installation_validation_testing [fedoraproject.org]