Ubuntu 10.10 Release Candidate Launched 172
tuXx writes "On Thursday, Canonical rolled out the official release candidate of its upcoming Ubuntu OS version 10.10, codenamed Maverick Meerkat. The release announcement has a feature list, and a review of the RC is up at ITWorld. It's available for download at the Ubuntu wiki site. If all goes well, the stable release is planned for Oct. 10th."
10.10 (Score:3, Funny)
On 10/10/10!
Whoo!
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On 10/10/10!
Whoo!
Fixed that for you. Stupid americants putting the month first.
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1286668800 fixed that for you.
Re:10.10 (Score:4, Funny)
So compile t_time as a 64 bit signed int.
293 billion years should be enough for everyone.
Re:10.10 (Score:5, Funny)
FAIL on me, I meant time_t.
t_time is when you have biscuits.
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It's also the time you start wearing a gold chain, grow a mohawk, and start pitying fools.
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Or he could start wearing a mohawk, grow a gold chain, and start pitying fools.
Re:10.10 (Score:4, Funny)
And it got you modded Flamebait.
Someone around here is apparently REALLY sensitive about their #defines...
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Sorry about stealing your joke. I did not see it until after I made mine.
I believe I pissed off a Mod. It happens, I have enough karma to not worry about it.
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Log in and try that.
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You're the one who modded him down, aren't you?
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So telling someone how to compile stuff is flamebait?
Must have been a gentoo user they are quite sensitive about such things.
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It's a good thing you'll be alive longer than 2038, because we'll need all the help we can get fixing that problem.
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I will only be 72. You can count me in.
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Why do you have it Year, Day, Month?
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Uh, 4 digit years please! I can't tell which century you're talking about.
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10/10/10? Isn't that the date of Jesus's barmitzvah?
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Come on. We both know it was a girl, back in Bethlehem.
101010 (Score:4, Interesting)
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Yep. In fact, when the release date was announced, Mark Shuttleworth peppered the speech with Hitchhiker's Guide references, to general bafflement.
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Any link to that speech?
Ubuntu advertisement? (Score:1)
Why is this story marked brown while every other are the regular gray?
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It looks green to me. (I'm using the classic index.)
Soooo..... should I upgrade to 10.1 or stay with the three-year "long term support" of 10.0?
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thank u
It just occurred to me that since my laptop is old (~1700 MHz), I should probably just sell it on ebay for cash
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http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=317-4056&cs=19&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=50390&lid=1305792 [dell.com]
A link... (Score:5, Informative)
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Server management (Score:5, Interesting)
Does this version clean up the mess that is their init system? Some init scripts were sysv, some were upstart-native in 10.04, and there was no commandline utility that made sense of it all.
I ran into that problem in the *server edition*, what is more central to a server installation than managing services?
Re:Server management (Score:5, Funny)
A beard?
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Yep.
And every version since 8.10 has problems with onboard Intel cards.
I try the new releases when they make it to .xx.1 and without fail there are video problems and also without fail some dork either denies that there is a problem, or tells me that the solution is to buy new hardware.
So I still run 8.04 on client boxes. Wouldn't dream of running Ubuntu on a server, that is what Debian is for.
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Seriously? Ubuntu versions are essentially abandoned even before they're released. "LTS" just means "Long Term Shagged" - anyone who does support legacy versions isn't going to be the smartest monkey in the barrel. From experience, it's a waste of time to file bugs against anything except early betas of the next version.
By the way, I love Ubuntu, and think it's by far the best distro for "human beings", but we should be honest about it.
Ubuntu One subscription included (Score:1)
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That has been going on since 2009, are you trying to just drive traffic to that site?
pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pulse. (Score:2, Interesting)
Is Pulseaudio still required? I really got fed up in Ubuntu 9.10 when they made the volume control stack Dependant on it. If you removed PA, you would get a "waiting for sound system to respond" message when trying to select an audio device... and your graphical volume control would break. There is a third-party PPA to fix it, but that is a pain.
I'm also not happy about the integration of a system to purchase proprietary software. Proprietary vendors have no respect for me or my property, and I don't want t
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Given the option to buy commercial software is an excellent idea. You don't h
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Quick fix for "left side" buttons (Score:2)
A quick fix to put the buttons back on the right top corner : change desktop themes, I think my personal favourite "Clear Looks" is still available,
but almost any other theme that's not the default has the buttons on the right.
There is also a hack in the config scripts, but I'd have to dig for it ...
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Also, the apps never get "root-level access" unless you execute them with super user privileges.
Installing a deb runs a number of scripts as root that can do whatever the hell the packager likes (either directly or if the packager wants to obfuscate what is going on by running binaries from the package).
Don't install debs you don't trust!
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So... don't install the proprietary DEBs... I fail to see how making such software easily available puts you at risk.
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First, Pulseaudio sucked for a long time but it's finally usable as of the last release.
It's been usable all along if you just followed PerfectSetup. It's unfathomable why the Ubuntu maintainers don't seem to be able to do this...
Is full screen flash fixed (Score:2)
Re:Is full screen flash fixed (Score:5, Informative)
Works for me in 10.04 and 10.10.
10.04 is a gma 4500 HD or XD which ever is the desktop one. 10.10 is with a 7600 GTS.
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that's a video driver problem, not an Unbuntu one
Too quickly (Score:2, Interesting)
That way, they could release each new version as a dramatically different thing than the previous ones. At this rate, Ubuntu 11.x will be roughly the same as Ubuntu 9.x
I don't think it should be like that. Also, someone up-comments (I figure that's how I refer to someone above me in the list) pointed out the horrible mess that the init scripts ar
Re:Too quickly (Score:5, Interesting)
If you are keen on that kind of thing, you can always just pretend that a new version is released every three years in April, and the rest of them in between are kinda betas.
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You could stick with LTS [ubuntu.com].
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That's actually what I meant, in a roundabout way. Mixed up 3 years support term with 2 years release interval.
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If you are keen on that kind of thing, you can always just pretend that a new version is released every three years in April, and the rest of them in between are kinda betas.
While this seems like an option, they still have to rush a Long Term Support (LTS) release out the door six months after the previous release, just like the "in-between" releases. I've been a happy Ubuntu user since Warty (4.10 - 10/2004), and haven't found the LTS'es any more stable than the other releases.
The only possible upside to this argument is that it may become more stable later in its support life; but I suspect the Ubuntu community (including Canonical) is more preoccupied with getting the next
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I tried that.
Turns out there's a helluva difference between "stability" and "using 2 year old obsolete versions of everything."
I still remember the last round of Gaim vs Yahoo awhile back (IM service breaks 3rd party client->client updated->pause->repeat) when I was on 8.04. I wonder if it even works to this day (I just said "bugger it" and installed an updated version from source).
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Or at least they could shove that extra time between the Beta and RC and spend a lot more time squashing bugs. After about 8.10 or so the bugginess of each release has felt like kind of a constant, and it's higher than it should
Re:Too quickly (Score:4, Interesting)
In my opinion they release new versions too quickly. I know there are a lot of differences between versions, but what I'd like is if they slowed it down by a bit. That way, they could release each new version as a dramatically different thing than the previous ones. At this rate, Ubuntu 11.x will be roughly the same as Ubuntu 9.x I don't think it should be like that. Also, someone up-comments (I figure that's how I refer to someone above me in the list) pointed out the horrible mess that the init scripts are. This is absolutely true. Someone find them and mod them up, please.
I completely agree. I've recently made the decision to go upstream and install Debian (testing) on my home system instead of upgrading to 10.10; the last three releases of Ubuntu have proven to be a complete nightmare to upgrade (for me, at least) without a clean install. I rather like the idea of (at least theoretically) never having to re-install my operating system and manually building "deprecated" programs that I prefer to use due to a major distribution upgrade.
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all Ubuntu users might be doing that when the funding for Ubuntu runs out.
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I've been continuously tracking Debian testing for one of me development systems for something like five, maybe six years now; if you think a Ubuntu upgrade once per year is messy, you might want to rethink this approach. testing is where you see major toolchain updates (i.e. gcc, perl, python, etc), system service changes, and oddball stuff like hda => sda (years ago, but it left a lot of unbootable boxes behind). Any "apt-get update" can bring a new surprise...
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Depends on what you value I guess... I did use to track Debian testing once, though we're talking maybe 2003-2007 here. It broke stuff from time to time, and the breaking was random. Any update could break something at any time, though of course since less was upgraded at once it rarely hit "nightmare" levels. And testing slowed down *massively* around releases, so expect some bi-annual freeze periods.
I'm not going to pretend everything is working in Ubuntu releases. But at least I get to pick the time and
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people seem to be getting more and more exited by rolling Distributions.
Yeah, rolling Distributions always make me want to leave.
Does the OOo quick-starter still prevent shutdown? (Score:2)
And have they fixed the lesser issue of the quick-starter icon having a white background (versus the default tray colour of black/dark-grey)?
narcoleptic newt (Score:2)
Mark, if you are reading, please let 11.04 be called narcoleptic newt, ...
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Wait... you want a computer that just randomly enters sleep mode on you?
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And while its borrowing some good design decisions, just get the computer to restart itself whenever updates are auto-applied. Don't worry about processes that may be running, the admin will probably notice on Monday morning.
Really week review (Score:5, Interesting)
Netbook remix sucks on a netbook (Score:5, Interesting)
I installed the Netbook Remix with the Unity UI on my Acer Aspire One ZG5 and I *hated* it. Slow, unclear, and very buggy. And this was the last beta. I don't understand the concept of combining the start menu with an off-line and on-line search function in one action. That made launching programs a tedious and frustrating experience. I don't think that this is a direction that Canonical should take at all.
Can anybody explain the appeal of Unity to me?
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My eeepc701 has the smallest screen around and the stock gnome desktop is fine for me.
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Urgh, thanks for the warning. The first thing I did after installing Netbook Remix 10.04 on an 10.1" EEE PC was to strip the Netbook crud off of it. I was minded to give Unity a try, but more out of masochism than any real hope that Canonical had produced a UI that actually made sense on a modern netbook.
To be honest, this constant swapping and changing of UIs and development focus smacks rather of desperation from Canonical. It's good to try new things, but it doesn't seem like they really have any cle
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So you installed the netbook remix because you didn't want netbook crud? I'm failing to see your logic here... Why not use the persistent option from a live USB stick?
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That's not practical on a portable. Unless you have a super-fast SD card, booting from your memory card reader is a fail, too. Also the Ubuntu install is not very smart, obviously Ubuntu has the technology to detect if you are using a USB stick or similar because they use it to make usb installers, but they don't detect this during install and disable readahead or anything like that.
Zenity is poop, so when I install on a netbook (like my EEE 701) I just install ubuntu-minimal and then install the apps I wan
My advice is to wait some days before upgrading (Score:4, Interesting)
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Don't worry, your eulogy will be written like this: "People - Billy Gates died last night"
No one will be complaining that People != Billy Gates.
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You used RHEL 5 recently?
That old bitch needs to go. Some of us would like to use iotop, even if there are alternatives and many other new features that RHEL 5 is too out of date to have.
RHEL 6 should solve this.
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Ha!
Redhat was hot back in the day when they used to take out full page ads in the Linux Journal of a guy in a trench coat in a red hat passing some briefcase off to another guy in a trench coat.
RHell seems to be known these days for an old and decrepit (in terms of RPMs available) enterprise version whose purpose is to be certified to run Oracle, and a perpetually broken testing vehicle named Fedora.
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Good thing about OSS is that it doesn't need high market share to be a success. The people who use Ubuntu on a daily basis are quite happy with their desktops, but don't let that stop you from whining about how it's not acceptable to YOU.
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As if Linux users never get fed up and abandon it for other platforms, noooo that never happens. I started using Linux on the desktop around Kunbutu 7.10 (Gutsy), because at the time Vista was sucking major balls and Macs weren't that interesting. Recently I bought a ASUS Eee PC 1001PX, and I had to manually upgrade the kernel to a newer-than-Lucid kernel just to have wireless work. The internal speaker played but if I plugged in headphones then nothing. It's 2010 and Linux is still struggling with the very
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Then just do that.
Ubuntu is still a success for me however much it sucks for you. It's year of the desktop for ME. It will never be year of the desktop for YOU. Obviously your laptop was built for windows, just use that.
Ubuntu is a success for canonical as well. I have read on Mark's blog about him striking deals for 10,000 desktop OS replacements and Canonical is makin
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So your whole argument boils down to "LALALALALA I can't hear you we're happy here in fairytale land, I'm happy, everybody happy". Canonical is still losing money, you better check your facts. The last time we got a definitive answer on that (it's a private company so no public books) was in March 2010 when the new CEO took over. "We're not profitable now." [thevarguy.com]. Linux is losing users which I backed up with statistics while you just throw insults, but hey great that you're trying your best to get rid to someone
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You are replying to my post about it being a success to me and how OSS doesn't need to be popular to be a success.
Being "Not profitable" is not the same as making money [workswithu.com].
If Asay says they predict to make more money then last year ho
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No, what I reacting to was the part that said "everybody who uses Ubuntu is happy". So it's working out great for YOU, fantastic. But not for a lot of other people, users or ex-users. People are dissatisfied and leaving. I'm considering leaving. And yes, I mean everything I said because both the post you replied to and mine are all like "How DARE you say it's not good?! You whiner!" I'm sorry if that bursts your bubble. I'm sorry that you can't handle negative opinions contrary to your own. I tried backing
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Strawman argument because I never said everyone was happy with Ubuntu and you're still not even understanding what I was saying with regards to the context of what the parent before me was talking about.
Dude, you seem to have
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A new Ubuntu version is released every 6 months. Pre-releases are even more common, obviously. Pretty much everything that could be said about Ubuntu in general, and new stuff in this release in particular, has already been said on /. and elsewhere countless times already. Why do you expect many comments?
we like quiet (Score:2)
we LTS users don't want to be ripping and replacing OS every six months. takes a long time to get everything tweaked just right and so we don't care about RC releases and we don't care about six month releases and we don't care about 10.10
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I never suspected an RC would drop the same day I downloaded the beta. I barely got 9.04 when 10.04 was still gestating in the dev channels, being the cautious anti-upgrade type. 6 months isn't good for production, but does help me find a slightly more functional distro without having to wait a whole year.
I'm had to look at my Chrome history and concluded that themirror.mcs.anl.gov synched the contents too late. All the links say they had the files around 30-sept-2010 06:20am. My downloaded, already tested
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The problem with Ubuntu LTS is the software gets outdated so quickly, they should backport more. I like quiet nowadays aswell, but I've chosen a different route, I use Arch and upgrade everything when I feel like it (rolling release). I haven't reinstalled my system once since I started using Arch yet I have the latest kernel, Xorg, KDE and applications.
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I maintain Arch for a few of my company's clients, great server OS; I've never tried it as desktop.
the software I use doesn't age in the LTS timeframe, databases and languages are what I'm into besides the usual desktop browser, email, photo editing. I also run several OS under vwmare, and changing kernel versions is a big bother for that.
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I'm exactly the opposite, I use Arch for my desktop and laptop where I want the latest and greatest, but on my servers I run Debian stable.
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Did those people try noapic?
And how can you tell if graphics are frozen if mouse and keyboard do not work?
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Considering the "me too" nature of ubuntuforums I had to give up on it long ago. Too many folks with not even similar problems and no testing claiming they have the same issue, thus making them impossible to help.
Re: Virtualbox Guest Additions (Score:2)
If you are installing or upgrading in Virtualbox, the guest additions (which include the auto-resize video driver) won't install correctly, you get an error: Warning: unknown version of the X Window System installed. Not Installing X Window System drivers.
the solution?:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
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They must build a partnership with Oracle (and support their database) in order to be seriously considered in enterprises and (finally) get some profits. BTW I don't like Oracle at all, it's just my opinion collected from some real companies that currently pay for RedHat and Suse support.
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> Apple simply do not exist...they certainly did not invent the desktop analogy
but they did use the bible from the guys that did invent it.
>they have been fantastic.
They've done an above average job, but I wouldn't consider it up to professional standards.
The poor quality of the Gnome file manager is a perfect example.
They're also increasingly getting away from the what the average user wants to do with a PC.
Cloud computing? There are stories everywhere about companies being hacked and data stolen,
Int
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I tried Mint on my Atom HTPC, I installed Ubuntu 10.04 over it pretty quickly. I couldn't stand the Windows XP menu, and some of the other graphical elements seemed a bit underdone or amateur (like the update manager). It was nice that it saved me the five minutes needed to install codecs, but that is about the only benefit I found. The default theme is better than Ubuntu's, but the default Ubuntu theme generally only lasts around a day on a fresh install. It had the same problem with sound over HDMI as
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I'm jaundiced you insensitive clod.