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More Evidence For Steam Games On Linux 256

Posted by Soulskill
from the come-on-valve-spill-the-beans dept.
SheeEttin writes "Back in November 2008, Phoronix reported that Linux libraries appeared in the Left 4 Dead demo, and then in March, Valve announced that Steam and the Source engine were coming to Mac OS X. Now, Phoronix reports that launcher scripts included with the (closed beta) Mac version of Steam include explicit support for launching a Linux version."
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More Evidence For Steam Games On Linux

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  • by Thunderbird2k (1753946) on Thursday April 22, 2010 @06:28AM (#31936984)
    This is no evidence at all. Valve has released dedicated Linux servers for their games for years including steam. Come on don't take phoroCRAP serious. They make news of nothing.
  • Re:If it comes (Score:3, Informative)

    by Narishma (822073) on Thursday April 22, 2010 @06:39AM (#31937030)

    You mean the shoddy PS3 ports they didn't do?

  • Re:Steam on Linux (Score:3, Informative)

    by Jazzbunny (1251002) on Thursday April 22, 2010 @06:46AM (#31937046)
    Well EA already pledged support for MeeGo platform so it's not that far fetched idea.
  • Re:Steam on Linux (Score:2, Informative)

    by L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) on Thursday April 22, 2010 @06:59AM (#31937114)
    I run WoW in WINE, and with very reasonable results (I get some visual artefacts, but only single frames of some incorrect polygon shapes). If Valve were working on bundling custom WINE launchers for each game... That might work.
  • by larry bagina (561269) on Thursday April 22, 2010 @07:13AM (#31937168) Journal
    steam doesn't include linux libraries, the OS X beta version includes a bash script which checks for darwin/os x and also has a couple lines checking if it's linux.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2010 @07:31AM (#31937236)

    On nvidia based hardware I got better performance in some games with Wine then running the same game in Windows. They might be closed source binary blobs, but they do work great.

    On the flip side, my laptop (which runs WoW on the lowest settings) refuses to work at all with the binary ATI drivers. And the open source drivers crash X and don't give any real performance that you can use.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2010 @07:34AM (#31937258)

    Portal runs on my karmic without problems. Download steam,install, download portal,instal, play. No hickups, no glitches :-)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2010 @07:37AM (#31937264)

    I don't know what world you're living in - FGLRX is buggy and will sometimes decide to start eating my memory like ice cream, but when it works it's not noticeably slower than the Windows drivers. Of course, the newest commercial Linux game I run is ETQW, and I've got a Radeon HD5850, so I may just be covering it up with more hardware.

  • Re:If it comes (Score:4, Informative)

    by Dexy (1751176) on Thursday April 22, 2010 @07:41AM (#31937282)
    You mean the shoddy PS3 ports they authorized once, realised how shoddy they were and then never touched again?
  • Re:Steam on Linux (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lumpy (12016) on Thursday April 22, 2010 @08:00AM (#31937380) Homepage

    Because the journalists that coined the phrase were too stupid to know what it meant?

    This term came from the same bunch of idiots that gave us "blogging" and "blogosphere" "web 2.0" and "podcasting" that we are now forever stuck with because they are trendy and catchy...

    Rooting a box means gaining control of the root account. rootkits were typically a kit of tools you used to root a box, to get that root password or escalate your login to root privileges. . What we see as rootkits today are NOT rootkits. They are simply malware that used a bug to get in and run and then they hide themselves. Something that is NOT NEW and has been running around in computing for a very long time.

  • the interesting bits from the script:

    UNAME=`uname`
    if [ "$UNAME" == "Darwin" ]; then
    PLATFORM=osx32 # prepend our lib path to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH="${STEAMROOT}"/${PLATFORM}:$DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH
    elif [ "$UNAME" == "Linux" ]; then
    PLATFORM=linux32
    # prepend our lib path to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${STEAMROOT}"/${PLATFORM}:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    fi

  • Re:Steam on Linux (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2010 @08:57AM (#31937854)

    True. But I think you could say about 90% of Windows PCs will never play a high end game either. You have to account for all the grandmothers that run Windows too.

  • by FreonTrip (694097) <freontrip@ g m a i l.com> on Thursday April 22, 2010 @09:08AM (#31937982)

    The Nvidia drivers run very well in Linux; in the realm of OpenGL, I've literally found no difference in performance or quality. If anything, the Linux drivers are somewhat better-behaved - setting a 16-bit 3D video mode results in ugly dithering in Windows, but not in Linux.

    I have not had occasion to try the fglrx drivers on remotely modern hardware, but last time I tried them it was reminiscent of ATI's driver situation in Windows from a decade earlier: glitchy and somewhat prone to memory leaks, but definitely better than nothing, and leagues ahead of the open source drivers.

  • Re:Steam on Linux (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2010 @09:24AM (#31938150)

    The script shown in the article mentioned linux32 not linux ARM. Whatever it's for, it's not primarily for phones.

  • Re:Steam on Linux (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2010 @11:55AM (#31940578)

    Valve doesn't even need to be the one to do this. Most of the "Mac" games on the market (including all of EA's games as near as I can tell) are just the Windows games wrapped in Cider, TransGaming's proprietary fork of Wine.

  • Re:I will buy (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2010 @01:42PM (#31942284)

    ATI has opened their specs. Please make me a driver that works as well or better than nVidia's supported binary blob. kthnkby.

  • ATI had to do a number reset, as did Nvidia, simply because the numbers were getting too huge. It is actually pretty trivial to compare, simply look for the DirectX version. You can also search the net and find nice charts like this [techarp.com] which will give you details like TDP which will help you make a more informed choice. With the bang for the buck firmly in the AMD camp right now that is what I use, and the easy rule there is 50>70>90, with the 50 being the budget (like my HD4650) followed by the 70 and the 90 being the hardcore chips. And of course for the ultra hardcore you have the X2, which is simply 2 GPUs.

    If you are wanting a SFF gaming PC you would be MUCH better off building instead of buying. I have found unless you spend crazy money they tend to use cheaper parts in the SFF boxes and if you build it yourself you can get better choices on parts and CPU/GPU. If you don't mind the advice of an old greybeard PC builder I would probably go with a shuttle such as this one [newegg.com]. Add a 95w Deneb quad, such as the 925 quad, along with one of the low power 5xxx GPUs, and you'd have a nice mini gaming rig. Unfortunately nearly all the "DVD player" styled boxes ATM are Atom based and Atom sucks. So unless you are simply wanting the biggest ePeen I'd look at a quad core AMD with an ATI 5xxx chip for graphics. That is what I've been building for my customers lately and they couldn't be happier with the performance or the power usage.

    As for Linux and DRM, the way I always understood it is for DRM to have any kind of chance it has to have low level hooks that the user does NOT have access to, and of course since Linux allows you to get and recompile the source it would be pretty easy to have one person recompile a "DRM disabler" that feeds a false message to the DRM allowing it to run whenever. One of the other posters mentioned TiVo, but that is a "black box" where the DRM is enforced at the hardware level like a PS3 which of course doesn't work with a general purpose box like a PC. And as for steam itself being a form of DRM protection, most of the latest RAZR1911 games are actually Steam rips. So while steam has been bypassed on windows, with a much more "hacker friendly" OS like Linux I doubt it would take any time at all to bypass DRM, which is what I was getting at.

  • Sorry but getting PCs in more hands wouldn't do any good, because I believe it is ultimately about control. Since the days of code wheels game publishers have wanted to control the user's experience, and now with the x360 and the PS3 being always connected they have their wish. That is why I believe more and more game publishers are screwing over customers, because they'd like to drop their PC division but don't want to hear the shareholders scream. When they have run off enough customers they can say "See? PC games aren't profitable" and kill off their PC division. But until then there is always emulators and independent games.

    And sorry again, but I prefer to be able to sit down with customers and design a machine that is right for their needs. Often I will sit them down and show them the individual parts online with the +/- of each choice, then once they have chosen exactly what is right for them they pay me for the parts, I build it and load it out with the OS and programs of their choice, and then get paid for my time (usually around $100-$150, depending on how many extras they want, such as full multimedia packages, office software, etc) on pickup of the PC.

    So it would be awfully hard for me to set up a website and sell them that way, as I'd lose the one on one communication with the client, which is where the Value in VAR comes in my case. When I get done the PC is pretty much a "set it and forget it" device, with everything from registry cleaning and defrags to updates and codecs all fully loaded and ready to go, with everything done automatically for the user. I also take pride in my work and the fact that many PCs I built a decade ago are still being used by clients, simply passed down to relatives when they decide to get something newer. I get enough business from referrals I don't really need to advertise anymore, as one experience with some Dell or Best Buy "special" usually sends them straight to me,LOL!

    But I'm sure you have a local PC builder/ repairman you just have to ask around. Just make sure he knows what he is doing, as there are some seriously bad builders out there, same as any profession. Ask some former customers and you'll get a good feel as to whether they take pride in their machines or not. I try to treat every customer like I would a member of my own family, so I don't sell cheapo junk or try to push them into higher priced packages. Could I make more money at it? Sure, but then I'd probably feel sleazy, pushing overpowered machines onto those that don't need it, and I'd rather sleep good at night. Sorry I can't help you out though.

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