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Intel and Nokia Provide First MeeGo Release 115

Posted by kdawson
from the you-go-too dept.
wehe writes "The first fruit of the cooperation between Intel and Nokia is available: the first release of MeeGo. MeeGo is a merge of the former Maemo and Moblin Linux distros. What is available now is 'The MeeGo distribution infrastructure and the operating system base from the Linux kernel to the OS infrastructure up to the middleware layer. The MeeGo architecture is based on a common core across the different usage models, such as netbooks, handheld, in-vehicle, and connected TV.' The images available now for download are suitable for Intel Atom-based netbooks, ARM-based Nokia N900, and Intel Atom-based handset (Moorestown). RPM repositories as well as git source repositories are there for download, too."
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Intel and Nokia Provide First MeeGo Release

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  • Terminal only? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 02, 2010 @09:56AM (#31705904)

    Well, if the UI isn't there, I'm not sure what MeeGo is bringing to the table for netbooks with this release. There are already a bevy of distros tailored for running on the Atom. Without insight into the new MeeGo UI, it's hard to recommend bothering with what is there just now.

  • Re:Disappointing (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Rysc (136391) * <sorpigal@gmail.com> on Friday April 02, 2010 @10:16AM (#31706032) Homepage Journal

    I care whether the application manager is a front end for apt-get or yum because when there are 15 pending updates I don't have to click through each one, I can just drop to a terminal, become root and apt-get upgrade. With yum I don't know how to do this and don't care to learn it. I have been burned too many times by redhat-based distros to want to have anything to do with them.

  • Re:Disappointing (Score:4, Insightful)

    by idontgno (624372) on Friday April 02, 2010 @10:35AM (#31706210) Journal

    I care whether the application manager is a front end for apt-get or yum because when there are 15 pending updates I don't have to click through each one, I can just drop to a terminal, become root and apt-get upgrade.

    Go root, "yum update". All done tout de suite.

    With yum I don't know how to do this and don't care to learn it.

    Ah, belligerent and willfully ignorant. That's a winning personality package you've got going there.

    I have been burned too many times by redhat-based distros to want to have anything to do with them.

    QQ. So don't use MeeGo. I administer both deb and rpm systems, and have for over five years, and they've screwed me equally in terms of package management. Debian is not the Messiah (yes, it's a very naughty packaging system), and RPM is not the Great Satan. Get over fanboi-ism and at least make credible reality-based arguments if you have to take sides.

  • Re:Disappointing (Score:2, Insightful)

    by steak (145650) on Friday April 02, 2010 @10:51AM (#31706378) Homepage Journal

    With yum I don't know how to do this and don't care to learn it.

    attitudes like this are what lead people to say things like "cry more noob" and RTFM. if you can't be bothered to type yum --help how did you ever learn how to use apt.

    or maybe i forgot to wear my troll proof tin foil hat this morning.

  • Eww... PHB speak! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Hurricane78 (562437) <deleted@slashBLUEdot.org minus berry> on Friday April 02, 2010 @11:24AM (#31706690)

    to the OS infrastructure up to the middleware layer

    It’s called libraries and demons! “middleware layer”... shit like that word could only come from a manager with no technical knowledge whatsoever.

  • Why do they sell those mini PCs and think people will want to either install the latest Vista on it or run it with the provided OS (whatever that is, including Linux in many cases) where the support stops as soon as it's past your mailbox and into which most of the drivers have hardly any examples. You want to sell them ? Simple, provide open-source drivers and documentation for them.
  • Intel's MobLin project was originally based upon Debian too, but they switched to RPMs for various reasons, like the LSB and packaging ease. Nokia then signed on with Intel knowing they were switching package manager.

    I believe you, but links please. LSB support under Debian has (in my somewhat outdated experience) been better than RH systems.

    I know Nokia knew a distro/package formate/package manager switch was going to happen with the changeover, but I want to know why Nokia acquiesced and did it Intel's way and not the other way around. Where is the mailing list traffic documenting the technical discussion? I know it's two companies and suchforth but if you're trying to build the de-facto open Linux-based mobile platform then I want not only the source code, I want to see the ugly underbelly, I want to see the sausage made and I want to see the Intel people defend their chosen package manager, to see the basis for not using apt and dkpg, and I want to see the counter arguments, and I especially want to see the people arguing for apt admit that yum is the better solution. Even if the *reasons* are just practical ("We have 10,000 RPM packages, you guys only have 800 .deb packages, repackaging as .deb would take too long.") and not technical I want to see this argument and its conclusion.

    I'm sure most hard core users will happily follow Intel and Nokia's lead. We need one well-supported true linux distribution for mobile devices with a viable market place, otherwise all the polished apps will run on Android instead.

    Here here, I agree. But, I want the mobile Linux distribution to be based on Debian because Debian is a great base for distributions and is better in every conceivable way than the redhat-derived junk they're trying to peddle. I know that "unified platform" trumps "good platform"--Microsoft taught us that--but we can actually have both this time.

  • Re:Encouraging (Score:2, Insightful)

    by 21mhz (443080) on Friday April 02, 2010 @02:04PM (#31708422) Journal

    * Debian distros degrade much more gracefully over time/use.
    * Upgrades and non-standard (IE 3rd party repository) packages tend to not break things as severely.

    I have used both packaging systems for quite some time, and I cannot confirm these statements. Both seem quite equally capable when managed well. Which is how MeeGo repositories are supposed to be.

    * The package system is somewhat more atomic, allowing for function even with broken packages.

    This is interesting, because in Maemo we had a big dpkg whopper: packages left in "unconfigured" state because there is a file conflict, or a dependency conflict. Considering that most users will only use Application Manager with little capabilities of resolving such things, I think "something more atomic" would suit MeeGo better. And rpm behaves completely atomically in this regard.

    * You are able to (statefully) recover from source-based installs as well as non-packaged binary installs.

    Oh, so you are the kind of user who not only does such things on your mobile device, but requires the system's assistance for it. You may find yourself getting a little less consideration from MeeGo architects, indeed.

  • Re:Encouraging (Score:2, Insightful)

    by 21mhz (443080) on Friday April 02, 2010 @02:23PM (#31708614) Journal

    So, you didn't really use rpm, yum, or apt-rpm, you don't know if they are as good, and therefore dpkg/apt is superior. Then there will be harm, mostly psychological in nature. I'm not sure there will be any for other users, you know, people who only see pretty icons on the screen and rarely open the text terminal. And it's those people, I'm afraid, who will decide if MeeGo is a viable mobile platform, or just another geek toy.

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