Novell Wins vs. SCO 380
Aim Here writes "According to Novell's website, and the Salt Lake Tribune, the jury in the SCO v. Novell trial has returned a verdict: Novell owns the Unix copyrights. This also means that SCO's case against IBM must surely collapse too, and likely the now bankrupt SCO group itself. It's taken 7 years, but the US court system has eventually done the right thing ..." No doubt this is the last we will ever hear of any of this.
Seven years for eight hours work (Score:5, Insightful)
But at least that part is over. There's still a little cleaning up to do but this one could be over and done with finally this summer. If you like Groklaw, head over and give PJ a pat on the back for her long perseverence.
Congrats to Novell's legal team.
/SCO die,die,die!
Novell Wins (Score:3, Insightful)
Novell wins...fatality!
Hopefully they'll finally die. But surely they'll be back in a George Romero movie.
More Than McBride (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:More Than McBride (Score:5, Insightful)
What? (Score:5, Insightful)
"It's taken 7 years, but the US court system has eventually done the right thing..."
This. Is a contradiction. Justice delayed is justice denied. Always.
Who's next? (Score:2, Insightful)
Microsoft got good mileage out of SCO in their attack on Linux. Wonder who will do their bidding next?
Re:Winning in this case... (Score:4, Insightful)
IBM almost certainly doesn't care about the cost, which isn't even a day's worth of revenue for them. They have filed counter-claims against SCO, and in theory could win damages, but since SCO has few assets and many creditors, they won't get paid. In a fairer world, SCO would have had to answer for its baseless campaign against Linux users much earlier. But they didn't - they got to put the victims of this campaign on the defensive, first.
Re:Doubt it (Score:5, Insightful)
"finds a way to remove Darl's vocal cords"?
There are several ways to do that which are quite well known. It's a testament to our community that no-one has implemented any.
Re:More Microsoft Than McBride (Score:5, Insightful)
This has been a Microsoft smear campaign again Linux all along, and it's not over. Why do you think that MS has been funding the entire thing?
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:4, Insightful)
PJ did the FOSS community an extraordinary service. I suspect she also did IBM a great service. One thing is sure, whatever her motives, she's ten times the person a worthless little apologist like you is. Go away you piece of garbage.
No doubt this is the last we will ever hear... (Score:4, Insightful)
No! You must kill it! Kill It With FIRE!!!
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Not completely over (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:1, Insightful)
So... "reasonable people" are either trolls or bat-shit crazy?
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:4, Insightful)
I can't prove that you exist.
Re:Winning in this case... (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep: even if it is technically cheaper to play ball with an extortionist, neither IBM nor Novell will do this.
Open the doors to one, and you'll have others knocking on the door. Pound that first one into a fine powder, the survival instinct of the others will kick in.
Why does PJ matter so much to you? (Score:5, Insightful)
Fuck PJ. She's a publicity whore no better than Darl. Shameless publicity whore. She profited in a grand way from this too-doo. Point. Of. Fact.
And "who is PJ"? Just some Small Town Paralegal *that just happened to be interested in Linux*? - YEAH RIGHT. I got a bridge.
Reasonable people understand that PJ works for IBM. Reasonable people understand that there is no "PJ", that IBM spun up a screen name and went to town.
Even if your claims about PJ were true (and I do say if) what difference would it make? Why do you care? Why are you so angry?
Can you point out anything that PJ posted that is not true, or not fair?
Re:Horray! (Score:4, Insightful)
All that we can be sure of is that several million dollars of Microsoft money will be going to a few private individuals for the fantastic work they have done in destroying the reputation of the open source concept.Ask any drone in a large company, Open Source is bad news because there are law suits against it. I expect that they can get pretty well paid jobs with Scientology next.
Re:More Microsoft Than McBride (Score:4, Insightful)
That's what we've been asking SCO for the past 7 years.
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:1, Insightful)
Who the fuck cares what you say or what your lame ass rationale is? You're an SCO shill because I say you are, bitch.
Re:Horray! (Score:4, Insightful)
Waste of money if they do. All this has achieved is to clearly establish that SCO has no claims against Linux users. Well, that's not entirely true; it's also given rise to Groklaw and generally raised awareness of legal matters in the Free Software community. But maybe you're right. Maybe this is the best they could hope to achieve...
Which is why those misty-eyed dreamers at the London Stock Exchange recently dumped Windows for Linux. But what do they know about the realities of modern business?
Sorry, gotta disagree.. (Score:5, Insightful)
While it may hold true for quick-change artists, it won't stop true sociopaths like Darl McBride.
Scammers like McBride believe that everyone is as evil as they are, and that if someone else failed, that they just weren't smart enough. Their rationale goes something like "I can see what they did wrong, so therefore I'm smarter than they are, so *my* scam will succeed!"
Just like career criminals - fines, prison sentences etc. don't act as a deterrent - they do it because they don't believe they'll be caught.
To this day, Darl believes that IBM is guilty of *something* - and that he only failed because IBM played dirty (see this troll [slashdot.org] for the "dirty tricks" that IBM used.) The dirty tricks that Darl himself used? (Lies, threats, the entire lawsuit) He believes they were justified because he needed something to fight IBM with.
There is nothing that will stop a sociopath from being a sociopath. If there was, they wouldn't be sociopaths.
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:4, Insightful)
What position?
Ownership of Unix copyrights?
What happens if they start abusing it? Let's see... who's infringing on the Unix source code copyrights... Oh, yeah, no one.
So, um... nothing happens. No one is trespassing on the sacred Unix Copyrights, so Novell can yell at no one to get off their lawn.
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:5, Insightful)
You're a jerk.
Absolutely false. Groklaw doesn't run ads, and the donations go to things like court transcripts.
Re:Winning in this case... (Score:3, Insightful)
First of all, it's practice for the next time.
Second of all, it's a warning to all others, so there won't be a next time.
Re:Doubt it (Score:3, Insightful)
I still think you're giving him way too much credit. Microsoft found a greedy, overambitious nitwit, dumped a ton of cash on him, and hooked him up with (at the time) the best lawyers money could buy.
There's nothing admirable about McBride, but let's not go giving him super powers
8 hours of jury deliberations means... (Score:5, Insightful)
So, what does this mean for Solaris? (Score:4, Insightful)
1) The 1994 Sun-Novell license agreement prohibited Sun from disclosing SRVX code for a period of 20 years. It's not 2014 yet.
2) The jury just said Novell retained copyright to Unix, so SCO had no title to SVRX, and so no power to license SVRX except as provided in the Novell-SCO APA.
3) Under the APA, SCO "shall not, and shall not have the authority to, amend, modify, or waive any right under or assign any SVRX License without the prior written consent" of Novell.
As a result, SCO neither had the contractual right (under the APA) nor right of title in SVRX necessary to license the release of any SVRX code by Sun prior to 2014. If there is any SVRX in OpenSolaris, then, Oracle is in violation of its SVRX license agreement with Novell, and its right to distribute Solaris (assuming Solaris contains any SVRX) is, as a result, questionable.
Now, yes, the 2003 SCO-Sun agreement requires that SCO indemnify Sun against any claims arising under the agreement . . . but SCO is too bankrupt for that indemnity to have much value.
"There is nothing that will stop a sociopath..." (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Pedantary (Score:3, Insightful)
Three fragments, actually. "Justice delayed is justice denied." was the only complete sentence.
"This." "Is a contradiction." and "Always." are all fragments.
Re:Horray! (Score:4, Insightful)
Which is why those misty-eyed dreamers at the London Stock Exchange recently dumped Windows for Linux. But what do they know about the realities of modern business?
They know not to trust their data to a system built with Microsoft Technology. Even if the "stellar minds from Microsoft" come and help fine tune it.
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh? Let's see you draw a triangle on a globe. Place 1 vertex at the north pole. Draw a line from there to the equator. Now go back to the north pole and draw another line starting there at 90 degrees from the 1st line. Draw that line also to the equator. Finally, connect the 2 endpoints sitting on the equator together with a 3rd line.
Now measure the angles at each vertex of the triangle you just drew. Add up the angles and tell me what their sum is.
270 you say? How about that. Seems that not all triangles add up to 180.....
Now go away troll.
Re:Seven years for eight hours work (Score:3, Insightful)
Congratulations to all, with special mention of honour to PJ and Groklaw.
Re:Why does PJ matter so much to you? (Score:2, Insightful)
Reasonable people understand that there is no "PJ", that IBM spun up a screen name and went to town.
In this forum PJ is defined by her work on groklaw so she can't help being real. What's really claimed here is that her biological component is other than we'd thought, but her biological component isn't something we've ever interacted with so why should we care? It's probably a big deal to PJ's personal friends, lovers, family, church choir colleagues, volleyball team and pets but to people who know her only through the web it's not clear it means anything. If PJ was a dog, and for all I know she is, would it change anything about her work?
It's a lot like the old claim that The Iliad and Odyssey were written, not by Homer, but by another Greek of the same name.
Re:Winning in this case... (Score:5, Insightful)