openSUSE 11.2 Released 207
An anonymous reader tips news that openSUSE 11.2 has reached its official release. You can get it from their download page, or just grab the torrents (32-bit, 64-bit).
"openSUSE 11.2 will come with the latest version 2.6.31 of the Linux kernel, the beating heart of every openSUSE system. The default file system of openSUSE will be switched to the new Ext4 as well. Of course, openSUSE will continue to support Ext3 and other filesystems — but on install, new partitions will automatically be designated Ext4. ... Desktops and servers can use the same kernel, but it's better to tune the kernel for the job at hand. That's why openSUSE now includes a desktop kernel specially tuned for desktop users. ... In addition to the work of the openSUSE Project in the desktop, openSUSE 11.2 includes the latest versions of the two desktop environments, KDE 4.3 and GNOME 2.28. KDE users will enjoy the new Firefox KDE integration, OpenOffice.org KDE4 integration, consistent KDE artwork and all standard applications being ported to KDE4 including KNetworkManager, Amarok, Digikam, k3b, Konversation and more."
Re:But... (Score:3, Insightful)
Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell. (Score:1, Insightful)
When ext3 came out, I had reservations about it, and I stuck to ext2 until I was reasonably sure ext3 was totally safe. I've heard bad things about Ext4 corrupting data. While not as overtly malicious as Pulse Audio, (Which is an insidious parasite. Difficult to remove.) ext4 scares the Hell out of me at this state.
I urge Linux users to stick to ext3 for the protection of your data. At least for another year, give ext4 the chance to mature, then, when we are certain ext4 is safe, start using it.
Re:The beating heart... (Score:4, Insightful)
huh? (Score:2, Insightful)
"Verify your download (optional, for experts)"
how about:
"Verify your download (mandatory, for everybody)"
Re:Who...cares? (Score:5, Insightful)
So not being able to run native apps to buy from iTunes, sync my iPod and iPhone
It's almost like you blame Linux for the fact your hardware vendor tries so hard to lock out 3rd party support.
Re:The beating heart... (Score:4, Insightful)
Even geeks on slashdot refer to it as "Linux" and distros are named "RedHat Linux" and "Ubuntu Linux" and "SuSE Linux."
If you called your car a "Mercedes Car" you might be under the impression that the entire thing was called a "car" and that "Mercedes" made a "version" of it. You probably wouldn't think that the "car" was actually just the engine and all the rest was called a "distribution." :)
And frankly, I'm fine with calling it as a whole "Linux" just like people refer to Windows as a whole as "Windows," even if it's Windows XP or Windows 2003 or Windows Vista or Windows 3.1. Most people differentiate, but not all the time.... "Windows" is the least common denominator. "Linux" is the least common denominator. :)
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Re:The beating heart... (Score:3, Insightful)
I know it's openSUSE or SLES... it's actually "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server" if you want to be picky. I've used openSUSE personally and SLES at work.
(I actually had the capitalization wrong though, I thought the U wasn't capitalized. Oh well. Learn something new...)
But most people don't get caught up in saying exactly the right name, I don't think. Nobody calls it GNU/Linux ;) (hehe)
Seems that most people call it by the distro name first, though, since most distros market it as such, I guess...
Re:Why switch to openSuse? (Score:1, Insightful)
Then again, if you can't use the command line, you may as well just use Linux as a personal Desktop OS. I'll never care about Yast or any other admin tool like it on the servers that I support.
Oh my God! People might want to use a desktop OS and not run servers! RUN FOR THE HILLS! THE ELITIST JERKS ARE COMING!
Re:I certainly don't anymore (Score:2, Insightful)
Look if there actually exist Linux folk who haven't heard how uber-awesome OS X is, they invariably live under a rock in some deep hole... deliberately. They don't want to come out. For the many of the rest of us who don't live in said hole, guess what? We choose to use (openSuse/Ubuntu/Arch/Mandriva) Linux despite OS X. Why? Cuz we are absolute nutcases who have nothing better to do than to use the piece(s) of software we like.
Re:Who...cares? (Score:2, Insightful)
See now that's the problem with Linux evangelists. Some partial, hacked together, and buggy functionality is described as "supported."
In the Linux world "supported" often means someone somewhere got some limited sort of functionality, here's a link to sourceforge, rtfm, good luck. Which gets spun by some pencil-neck geek into "It works what more could you want?"
It's not so much that sometimes devices don't work to their full potential that bothers me. It's the bullshit amount of effort put setting people up for disappointment by saying everything works the same and better than it does on Windows. For many things its true, Linux owns. Sure. But stop fucking trumping up shit that sorta works as "supported."
Re:Who...cares? (Score:1, Insightful)
It's pretty pivotal if you own and want to sync an iPod or iPhone. Or if, for whatever reason (such as exclusive tracks) you want to buy something from iTunes.
For some reason people have modded you insightful. Fortunately, I'll be left modded at zero.
Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell. (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually those "Ext4" data corruption issues that set the Internet all ablaze (including Slashdot) were mainly due to KDE 4 not handling metadata correctly. In the end, it wasn't an Ext4 issue. However, feel free to spread FUD.
Bullshit. The error was very generic and not limited to KDE
You're right: it's a common application programming error.
At what frequency does a bug cease to be a bug?
I wish I'd known that I could promote myself up out of the rank of `amateur' just by pointing out that there were plenty of other people who weren't any more skilled than I was--that would have obviated all of these years of study and hard work.
Re:Ext4 makes me nervous as Hell. (Score:4, Insightful)
KDE 4 wasn't following POSIX standards for writing to a HDD.
You sir, are an idiot.
Read the bug report [launchpad.net].
I'll give you some quotes:
After a clean reboot pretty much any file written to by any application (during the previous boot) was 0 bytes.
For example Plasma and some of the KDE core config files were reset. Also some of my MySQL databases were killed...
-- Bogdan Gribincea
The files that were zeroed when my machine hardlocked I'd imagine were the ones that were in use; my desktop env is Gnome and I was running a game in Wine. Wine's reg files which it would have had open were wiped and also my Gnome terminal settings were wiped.
-- Ben Hodgetts
I'm using 2.6.28-8-generic and a crash just zeroed out a _load_ of important files in my git repository which I'd recently rebased a patch series in.
-- Peter Cliffton
Ack... had a power outage and ran into this one today too. Several configuration files from programs I was running ended up trashed. This also explains the corruption I've seen of my BOINC/SETI files when hard-rebooting in past weeks.
-- 3vi1
I did mix up 30 minutes and 30 seconds. But that's just an example of tons of different applications, databases, source files, Gnome settings and whatever cleaned out by this BUG. Why you keep denying it I don't know, but at least you earned youself a foe rating for it.
Re:Who...cares? (Score:3, Insightful)
You really should have bought a real mp3 player. I hope you learned something.