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Comparing the Freedoms Offered By Maemo and Android 244

An anonymous reader writes "Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately, despite the former not even shipping yet. Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel, but now that we have a choice, how do we pick one? Is the issue as mundane as choosing your favorite desktop distribution, or is there a more significant difference? This article compares the two from an end user and developer perspective, emphasizing root access and ease of sharing code."
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Comparing the Freedoms Offered By Maemo and Android

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  • by BadAnalogyGuy ( 945258 ) <BadAnalogyGuy@gmail.com> on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @09:52AM (#29883185)

    Maemo 5 and Android have received a lot of publicity lately, despite the former not even shipping yet. Both have become famous partly for using the Linux kernel, but now that we have a choice, how do we pick one?

    I assume that you'd probably pick the one that you can actually buy. Or you could opt to buy nothing, but that's not really picking one.

    "We" don't really have a choice, do we?

  • How do I choose? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @10:00AM (#29883269) Homepage

    I choose the one that will install on the hardware I own. or the one that has the most pro user functions and anti carrier functions...

    I.E. mp3 ringtones that are not locked out.
    Backgrounds can be any file I choose to upload to it, same as themes. Give me a way to design and upload a look change without makign the carrier rich.

    All features enabled and systems in place that keep the carrier from disabling features in the phone or forcing an update to my phone that is crippled.

    Allows me to use a voip client at a wifi hotspot to circumvent airtime charges.

    there are features on my S60 phone that I dont see anywhere else. If I press end on a ringing call it will SMS that person with a "I'm really busy right now, I'll call you back as soon as I can" That is a ROCKING feature that I dont see on any of these phones.

    Finally scripting. I want scripting on my phone. a sequence to happen when number xx-xxx-xxxx calls me.

    So I choose whatever empowers me and works on my hardware.

  • by schmidt349 ( 690948 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @10:11AM (#29883401)

    That auto-SMS idea is amazing, and one of the reasons why even as an iPhone developer I'm annoyed at Apple for locking us out of making apps to fill in that kind of functionality. I respect that they need to make sure the phone doesn't blow up whatever network it happens to be running on or ring up a $500 bill for the user, but you would think that something that cool would be really trivial to write now that everything else is in place.

    Another idea: why not have the phone give you a couple of options on the auto-SMS that you can write yourself, i.e. "in a meeting right now," "at the theater," "soldering my fingers to the windowsill," or vary the auto-SMS depending on the caller? I don't know if you can roll this kind of functionality yourself on Android, but if you can Apple is going to be sweating bullets in a year or so.

  • by Ash Vince ( 602485 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @10:13AM (#29883419) Journal

    This is just a blog by someone unknown that is also very light on facts.

    He seems of the opinion the Maemo owners will be better treated if the root their hardware because Nokia make it slightly easier to do. The problem is that we do not yet know what Nokia will make you agree to in order to install the gain root privileges application. In my opinion they will make you agree to voiding your warranty anyway so that will put you in the same boat as most android owners.

    Even if Nokia do not then most carriers will, and the vast majority of phones are purchased through a carriers discount so the user does not end up paying full price for the handset.

  • by JohnFen ( 1641097 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @10:26AM (#29883569)

    There must be a nontrivial market consisting of people like me who don't care about support as much as they care about functionality.

    The Maemo looks good. It's the first smartphone that I'm actually excited about!

  • by sonnejw0 ( 1114901 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @10:27AM (#29883587)
    Why would you want to send an auto-SMS and waste a text message when you don't answer a call? Isn't it implied that if it goes directly to voicemail that I'm busy and I will call back? Are the people that call you really that paranoid that you don't like them that they need an SMS to tell them that you didn't answer your phone but you still want to be friends?

    I mean, sure, it's great that the phone's OS allows that kind of open development and all, but ... honestly?
  • by BlackCreek ( 1004083 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @10:35AM (#29883679)

    I second this.

    Most users don't need root, nor have any need for source code access. Most users have access to support from the manufacturer, and are fine with that.

    Judging from this guy's questions, he already had a conclusion, and started asking questions to justify his points of view. The article is flamebait beginning to end. Some notes:

    1. In practice, any Gnome/KDE GUI app will simply not run properly in the display resolution of a phone, and not lend itself well to a touch screen interface. When you want to talk about the great stuff you can do with MAEMO, and you decide to illustrate with XEYES, I say you are out of touch with reality.
    2. Android forces a rewrite of even Java code, but it also provides full application isolation. Nowhere the security advantages of it were considered.
    3. Android is also offered with root access from Google (ADP) and with the Geekphone from Spain. The fact that you can also buy it in a locked state, doesn't disqualify the platform.
    4. As a developer, I also care about the fact that the new MAEMO APIs are scheduled for deprecation before its release. Having a stable, well documented API matters. A lot.

    The N900 will (hopefully) be a great phone, no need to go on bashing the competition in order to promote it.

  • by ultrabot ( 200914 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @10:35AM (#29883681)

    The Maemo looks good. It's the first smartphone that I'm actually excited about!

    That's because it's the first "phone" that's actually a real computer, not a locked down piece of plastic.

    I just got an N810, and I'm loving it. As a double-plus, you can actually get a used one cheap now that everybody is buying an N900.

  • by the ReviveR ( 1106541 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @10:57AM (#29883965)

    From my personal opinion Android simply doesn't stand a chance. While Android does run Linux kernel it doesn't have X Window etc. It's glorified java platform that doesn't even support full java spec. You can do anything with it, but things will take a lot of work.

    Maemo on the other hand is what I see as a 'real' Linux platform running software stack which makes it pretty trivial to port existing apps to it.

    Stuff I currently run on my N810:
    -Real browser looking firefox with flash support
    -MPlayer for playing nearly any format I can throw at it...
    -Gnumeric for spreadsheets
    -Battle for Wesnoth, Beneath the steel sky, Duke Nukem 3D when I feel like playing something
    -Vnc server & client
    -Gjiten for translating stuff to Japanese. Japanese symbols display nicely etc.

    Only thing I'm really missing is the phone functionality. Even if the only improvement to N900 would be adding that, I would be happy. Adding processing power etc. makes it a must buy for me.

  • by js_sebastian ( 946118 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @11:24AM (#29884321)

    all the features you mentioned are available with windows mobile.

    Additionally, you get a lot of nice extra features, like random restarts, battery monitor that always reports full battery, battery that lasts 1 full day when you're lucky, touchscreen that sometimes responds to your touch (sometimes even to do what you want it to do!), apps that cost much more than I am willing to pay and don't do what I need, plus a generally clunky and inconsistent UI.

    I have a windows mobile phone and I will NEVER make that mistake again.

    And before I get flamed: I know, many of the problems I have are specific to the device, not to windows mobile, so I have also blacklisted LG for my next purchase. Still, the OS makes you feel like it's windows 98 all over *shiver*.

  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @11:29AM (#29884379) Journal
    Yes, it really sucks to have a mature system that supports remote display (want to run CPU-intensive apps elsewhere and display on your portable? Want to run apps on the portable and display them on a bigger screen?), is compatible with most UNIX GUI software written since the mid '80s, supports compositing, OpenGL, accelerated text rendering, and cleanly separates policy and mechanism so that window and compositing management can be easily swapped out and replaced.
  • by Tetsujin ( 103070 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @11:44AM (#29884607) Homepage Journal

    And the apps are all text (javascript to be precise).

    That is actually the #1 reason I won't buy a Pre. I think it's a horrible design decision. The device has limited processing power, storage, and battery. I don't want it to waste time or power translating Javascript code.

  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @11:56AM (#29884771) Homepage Journal

    None of the metrics really have anything to do with the average user.
    1. Freedom from crashes. random, and forced resets.
    2. Freedom to find the applications that I want to run without having to write them myself.
    3. Freedom from having to learn a complex and inconsistent UI.

    Most smart phone users really want and need a good smart phone first. Most users will never want to root the phone. How free and open a consumer software system is of little concern if it is not functional. I would love to see Android and Maemo put in the hands of a new smart phone users that doesn't know FOSS or the GPL from a hole in the ground just to see how functional they are. I would also like to see a comparison of the SDKs from a programmers point of view. Finally we can talk about how "free" they are. All of that is important but usability really is very important and it wasn't talked about in this story at all.

    I have yet to play with Maemo but my next phone will probably be an Android device. I don't want to be on the AT&T network so the iPhone is out. WinMo doesn't really thrill me, and the PalmOS still lacks voice dialing and video recording. My wife loves her PalmPre but I am disappointed with the SDK and the fact that it still lacks video recording and voice dialing! MY STINKING SANYO FEATURE PHONE CAN SHOOT VIDEO AND DO VOICE DIALING.
    Right now I am torn between the Samsung Moment and the HTC Hero I just hope that we see them get 1.6 and 2.0 updates very soon.

  • by Tetsujin ( 103070 ) on Tuesday October 27, 2009 @04:31PM (#29888633) Homepage Journal

    Built in on Windows, MacOS.
    Built in on every web browser.
    Built in on virtually all smartphones.
    Available as Spidermonkey on Unix systems.

    It's pretty much everywhere already. It'll replace most of the others; perl, python, ruby as the libraries and VMs available for it improve.

    That's a lovely poem. Really. The Vogons would absolutely hate it.

    Being a good scripting language is all well and good. That doesn't make said scripting language a good choice for an embedded platform.

  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @07:48AM (#29895259) Journal
    No, it's easy to get away from it, you complain to the regulator that this is price gouging. Of course, that requires you not to have crippled your regulators because they interfere with some quasi-religious view of the free market.

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