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AdamWill writes "The Fedora project has announced the release of Fedora 12 Beta, which is available here. This will be the final pre-release before the final release in November. New features of Fedora 12 highlighted in the announcement include substantial improvements and fixes to the major graphics drivers, including experimental 3D acceleration support for AMD Radeon r600+-based adapters; improved mobile broadband support and new Bluetooth PAN tethering support in NetworkManager; improved performance in the 32-bit releases; significant fixes and improvements to audio support, including easy Bluetooth audio support; initial implementation of completely open source Broadcom wireless networking via the openfwwf project; significant improvements to the Fedora virtualization stack; and easy access to the Moblin desktop environment and a preview of the new GNOME Shell interface for GNOME. Further details on the major new features of Fedora 12 can be found in the release announcement and feature list. Known issues are documented in the common bugs page."
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nice (Score:2)
Time to break out the VM and try out Fedora again- if nothing else because of the sandbox and frankly, it looks like a fairly impressive release. Maybe even enough to run it right beside Kubuntu.
Many launches (Score:2, Interesting)
Play the Windows 7 launch drinking game - here [blogspot.com]
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Your drinking game forgot the shot for every time someone says "Windows 7 is the best OS they've used in years." I can't believe how many times I've seen that posted (cut/paste?) all over the web.
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First Snow Leopard, tomorrow Windows 7, new Ubuntu, now this... its like their cycles are all coming together.
So in a week or so, all of our OSs will have a terrible case of PMS? Yikes!
Fedora vs. Ubuntu (Score:4, Insightful)
I've used Fedora since it was split off from RH, and I used RedHat going back to 5.2. For most of that time it was one of the best supported distros from the user community point of view. More recently the pendulum appears to have swung to Ubuntu. Aside from package management what are the differences I would notice by giving Ubuntu a try this time?
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..."brown, and shit"... was that intentional?
Seriously, I have to agree about Ubuntu. I've been using Ubuntu since 6.10, and for the last few releases things have deteriorated. They are pushing things into the distribution before they are ready and/or doing a poor job integrating them. Pulseaudio has never worked OK for me. Notification OSD does not work at all for me, placing notifications outside of the visible area, and replacing a system that works fine. Multi-monitor support (except for fixed configura
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Agreed. Ubuntu doesn't seem to have enough core developers for what they try to do. My feeling is that they have grown out of control. The original "one CD with limited options and only the best software" mantra that made Ubuntu 4.10 interesting has been cast off, universe and multiverse are huge and unmanageable, and core technologies are broken every release.
When your default applications have blocker bugs (F-Spot photo manager sidebar is invisible, F-Spot doesn't work on a supported platform, included pl
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ok, your comment stays unmodded, and mine gets modded as troll? [slashdot.org]
First, Obama wasn't a change for the sake of change - there was an election. You had to either choose someone, or not choose someone. You couldn't maintain status-quo by simply not showing up. So, considering a change of some sort was going to happen, you had to choose which sort of change you wanted. But just as the problems weren't caused by Bush, they also certainly weren't caused by Obama either. The american political system is much bi
Not a particularly exciting release (Score:3, Insightful)
For those of us who are happy with our hardware support and don't use virtualisation, there's nothing I see in this release for us. Maybe Fedora 13 will be more interesting.
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Looking at the list, I agree. Being a Fedora user, I tend to skip versions just because I don't want to spend the time to get all my one-offs working again. I skipped from FC6 to CentOS5 for a year on my desktop (based on the same major release versions), then went to F9, and now F11. CentOS5 is still solid and loved on my servers.
Fedora just has a twice a year release cycle they're expected to meet. That means sometimes you're just getting many incremental release updates and nothing major. I'm still
Re:Not a particularly exciting release (Score:4, Insightful)
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Um. Nothing was really *broken* that I can think of, but F12 does improve the situation here. Systems with multiple monitors connected will boot in span mode (display spanned across all connected displays) by default (as long as the driver uses RandR 1.2; that's the case for intel, ati and nouveau, the default drivers for 95% of all graphics hardware out there), and spanning multiple monitors work on NVIDIA cards (with the default open source nouveau driver) out of the box now (in F11 it wouldn't work in sp
Bluetooth PAN tethering support in NetworkManager (Score:2)
Really? Only last week I was looking at NetworkManager - and it didn't support this - even in the development version... based upon the information I could find.
What gives?
ATI Driver Issues (Score:4, Interesting)
Pulse Audio (Score:3, Informative)
Fedora (Score:5, Insightful)
In my opinion Fedora is the best distro out there, a lot nicer to use than Debian (and especially Ubuntu) too. Also their repositories contain lots of software and they're actually put there correctly - hundreds of times I've run into missing or non-working features with other distros repositories.
Seems they're actually also improving exactly what needs to be improved - graphics driver support, sound support, bluetooth support and wireless networking support. Other distros usually seem to go select just some more obscure improvements, but these should affect lots of users.
I like it.
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Re:Fedora (Score:5, Funny)
Theory: Every time I try to install the same broken package, it fails! I've tried hundreds of times!
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Hey he probably runs Windows on one machine like the rest of us this just goes without saying...
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Is "yum install httpd" really that hard? I know I have done this before on plenty of servers.
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I thought redhat was using up2date now?
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No, they changed to yum, not the other way around.
As of Fedora Core 5 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5, up2date is no longer shipped with the distribution; yum is used instead.
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I disagree. There are plenty of easy to use distros out that replace windows in every way. Linux Mint is a favorite of mine. I install it on Grandma's Machine with Open Office, show her how to export .pdf, and never get another phone call.
Windows is for teen age boys who want to get viruses and the latest game.
Mac is for people with too much money, and too fancy of a haircut.
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Is apt-get/apt-cache then?
When you're moving to a new OS you should atleast get to know some basic things about it, and how to install software is probably the most basic one.
But even if thats too much to figure out, you have the GUI installer (not that I've ever used it)
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Actually I meant the entire lamp stack and I had never heard of yum it's not documented very well and the application yum is not exactly named "install-missing-software" is it. I went with windows XP and the wampserver installation. Works like a charm it installs itself and was trouble free.
You obviously didn't try too hard.
I'm by no means a *nix guru... I spend most of my time working on Windows machines... And the first thing I do when I sit down at a new computer is look for the mouse.
But it only takes about 60 seconds with a web browser [tinyurl.com] to give you a very complete, concise answer. Seriously. It is literally the first result that comes up in Google. Complete, step-by-step instructions. You don't even need to know what yum is.
Re:Fedora (Score:5, Informative)
You were trying to install a webserver without internet access? Where then did you find out about and get wampserver from? On a base install of windows there is no AMP stack and nothing telling you how to install software that you are looking for.
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Re:Fedora (Score:4, Insightful)
So are you a troll or an idiot?
Because with the story you are laying out here it is one or the other.
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Re:Fedora (Score:5, Insightful)
well. um. it does. yum takes care of the dependencies for you. all you have to do is tell it what you want to install.
try as I might, I _really_ can't see any qualitative difference between the two. You seem to be assuming that it's blindingly obvious that you should use this 'wampserver' thing to install the stack on Windows, but I've no idea why. I'd never heard of it until I came across this thread. How did you magically know that the right tool to use to install the stack on Windows was 'wampserver'? I'm betting you didn't; you either did research yourself and found this tool, or you were given the benefit of this knowledge by someone else who had. How is that any different from doing a couple of minutes of research yourself to learn about yum, or being told about it by other people in this thread?
also, you didn't answer the question about updates, which is rather important. Does this 'wampserver' thing take care of keeping the whole stack up to date with security updates for you?
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So, you feel more comfortable in a system you know and for which you researched online beforehand than on an unknown system without Internet ? How is that surprising ? How is that the fault of Redhat ?
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Installing a lamp stack is easy, and future yum updates will patch the entire stack. That being said, I'm assuming you're running an exernally facing lamp stack. What's your patch story? How are you getting your security fixes?
In my specific deployment, I drop packages on an http server, and I have yum clients running on a few hundred systems (I find these packages with a simple mirroring command rsync -avz rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/......). A
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Hahahahahahah.....I was about to mod you down, but that's FUCKING PRICELESS!
You tried to install Apache....on a server...which wasn't connected to the internet......
I once tried to turn on a light which wasn't plugged in, and that didn't work either.....
Seriously, if you suck that badly at trolling, don't troll. It makes you look dumb. Stick to setting up your servers in your cave - you'll be far more successful in that endeavor.
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Then your best bet would be to create a local repository out of the contents of cds, or a dvd. Which should be a basic thing you are going to do anyway if you have more than a few servers that don't have access to the internet. Then you would mirror in updates, and let them update from that.
There is graphical software that will let you install stuff straight from discs, and even ask for the right disc.
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Well, if you can't manage "yum install httpd", you are better off staying with Win98.
Pretty sad statement but yeah if you think win98 is better than Redhat linux I guess you're right.
That's not exactly what the grandparent poster said. The grandparent poster said something more like, "Since you haven't learned anything since Windows 98, you should stick to the operating system you're proficient in."
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If you don't like Fedora, you are free to use one of 400 other distros. [linux.org] From what I've seen of the last few releases, Fedora has done a pretty good job of improving the quality of its releases.
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Right, we'll be doing nothing. Nothing, that is, except this:
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-quality-tasks.html [fedorapeople.org]
oh, yeah, the days are going to be fricking *empty* around here. That's just the QA calendar, BTW, doesn't cover release engineering or development team's tasks. To translate, we'll do a full set of installation validation tests on the release candidate images, and weekly blocker bug review meetings at which the entire list of bugs marked as final release blockers are reviewed
Re:Great! (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah! The kicker is that none of them lock you out of features because you bought "the cheap one."
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You should definitely solely base your opinion of Fedora on 1) an incident years ago and 2) a beta version. I mean, why would anyone download and use an actual release?!? That's just crazy talk.
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Couldn't agree more with the sentiment, but as a KDE user, I'd recommend the RC of opensuse instead. Knock on wood, suse is the only distribution that *never* has failed me, and I've been through a bunch over the years.
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Was the CD burned at slowest speed setting, using media that works with other live CD .isos?
Re:12 releases and it's still a piece of shit. (Score:5, Insightful)
Really? You fail to do something that millions of other people do without issue, and the problem is Fedora?
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Actually, most of the features described have been written mostly by Fedora contributors. The full release announcement text - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Beta_Announcement [fedoraproject.org] - gives explicit credit for many of them.
Since it's Fedora's policy to contribute all possible work to upstream projects, of course other distributions benefit from this work. We don't play the game of having 'exclusive' features to trumpet in our distribution, we play the game of improving the F/OSS ecosystem for all. We don't re