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An anonymous reader writes "It is now clear why Nokia has been so slow with S60 updates: the upcoming N900 just left everything else in the dust. Unlike Google's Linux platform, Nokia is not intentionally breaking compatibility with real distros, choosing instead to bring you the unmatchable power of GNU/Linux on your phone. This is the most awesome device I have ever seen: MAP3 CPU/GPU, 3,5" 800x480 touchscreen, keyboard, Wi-Fi, HSPA, GPS; 5-MP camera, CZ lens, 32 GB storage, SD slot; X11, VT100 terminal emulator, APT package manager. Estimated price without credit: $780 (N.5800: $390, iPhone 3GS: $750). Developers should note that even though the current desktop is still GTK+, Qt will be standard across all Nokia platforms in the near future (less powerful phones will use Qt on the Symbian kernel). Users can download flashing software from Nokia, and patches can be submitted at the Maemo site."
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Nokia Leaks Phone With Full GNU/Linux Distribution

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  • Hmmm (Score:2, Insightful)

    by El Lobo (994537)
    "bring you the unmatchable power of GNU/Linux". Cheesiest. Line. Ever. On /.
  • by QuoteMstr (55051) <dan.colascione@gmail.com> on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:35AM (#29146113)

    The Pre runs a practically normal Linux distribution. Granted, all the applications are written in Javascript and not some compiled language using C, but I look at that as a good thing.

    • by Sir_Lewk (967686) <sirlewk@gmai l . com> on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:42AM (#29146175)

      Firstly, if it only runs javascript applications as you say, then it's hardly any more of a "real distro" than Android is.

      not some compiled language using C

      There are other compiled languages besides C. There are a lot of them in fact...

      but I look at that as a good thing.

      I suspect from your previous comment that you are terribly unqualified to even understand the implications of what you're saying, or to make that comment at all.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Blakey Rat (99501)

        Firstly, if it only runs javascript applications as you say, then it's hardly any more of a "real distro" than Android is.

        Why?

        What's the difference between, Javascript as the language and HTML/CSS as the GUI, or using Python as the language and XML to do the GUI? And yet the first is "not a real distro", while the second is. Why?

        There are other compiled languages besides C. There are a lot of them in fact...

        Yes, but the real question is, "since when is being compiled a requirement?"

        I suspect from your previ

        • by Sir_Lewk (967686) <sirlewk@gmai l . com> on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:03AM (#29146397)

          The distinction between "full distro" and "non-full distro" is one that the slashdot summary defined, and is not nessesarily something that I agree with.

          That said, the summary makes it pretty clear that it's using the term to make a distinction between a phone that uses a traditional userland and interface, and one with a custom-ish one that doesn't really support "native" (poorly defined, I think most people understand what it's trying to say though) linux applications. I'm not trying to inflect my believes here.

          I suspect you're a language snob who dislikes Javascript for no rational reason.

          I never said anything was wrong with javascript, I'd be unqualified to properly insult it even if I wanted too. Your insulting assumption is I assume the reason you're modded flamebait.

        • by diamondsw (685967) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:33AM (#29146815)

          Yes, but the real question is, "since when is being compiled a requirement?"

          Ever since performance or memory usage has been. And thus always will.

        • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:55AM (#29147157)

          FLAMEBAIT!!? Or pure ignorance? .NET is not a native app environment. And guess what? Microsoft banned all benchmarks for it because it is SLOW. *Compiled*, *native* apps run almost always faster than some non-compiled crap. Saying "fsck compiled apps - I only care about by (insert favourite interpreted lang here)" is either flamebait or ignorance.

          You can get sooo much more out of a phone if you only run native apps on the slow ass processor without draining the battery completely. If you really want examples, please write an implementation of some MPEG4 codec in Javascript and then we'll compare it to execution speed for a C implementation. I suspect you may have trouble running the Javascript decoder anywhere in real time.

          Cheers!

    • by ultrabot (200914) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:43AM (#29146189)

      The Pre runs a practically normal Linux distribution. Granted, all the applications are written in Javascript and not some compiled language using C, but I look at that as a good thing.

      You realize that it doesn't matter if the device runs Linux when the development environment is locked down, right?

      You don't have to hack C or C++ to make programs for this device either; PyGtk has emerged as the most popular programming platform for third party developers of Maemo software.

      What Nokia is bringing to the table is completely different from Android / Palm - it's a full, open Linux, no strings attached. You can develop software using the tools you want to use, instead of sticking to Java or Javascript.

      • by Zero__Kelvin (151819) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:27AM (#29146717) Homepage

        "What Nokia is bringing to the table is completely different from Android / Palm - it's a full, open Linux, no strings attached. "

        Android is a complete linux distribution that uses a different Window Manager and has a well defined consistent Object Oriented development platform. You can hack root on the T-Mobile G1, for example, and then install any Linux binary you care to build against the FOSS source code that you can download and build at will. Furthermore, to write applications which leverage the Androids advantages all you need is a PC and there is no need to jailbreak at all. The consistency in behavior one observes regardless of the application installed from the Android Market is a direct consequence of this enforced development consistency. Android rocks !!!

        (I believe they are adding C/C++ support at some point in the relatively near future IIRC)

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Alef (605149)
          Well, the fact that you can hack a some Andriod based phones doesn't exactly make the platform open in that respect. Furthermore, if I am to write software and share it with people who are not geeks and/or care for their warranty, I have to stick with the API:s provided in the "stock version".
    • I read there is going to be a new Palm(not a Pre) coming to AT&T later this year or next year. I'm hoping it will be much like the Pre, but more refined and it wont spy on me.

      Think I'm asking for too much?

    • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

      by WaywardGeek (1480513)

      I'm really looking forward to writing cell phone apps in QT4. The way Apple, Google, and Palm have caged their apps into power-hungry slow interpreted virtual environments is crazy. It's a cell phone.... code should be compiled. Anyway, there's tens of thousands of great apps for Linux that would easily port if the phone companies allowed it. For example, I see that the espeak speech synthesiser was ported to Android, but to do it required a custom negotiation with Google! You can't just port C apps to

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        There are many, many more mobile java apps out there that don't require porting between platforms, because they're already on a standard platform. On the blackberry, speech recognition, GPS navigation, et all are all in java - and perform very well. Why have to make a custom compiled port for each platform, when you really can just "write once, run anywhere"? Not to mention the key word in your anti-"interpreted" diatribe: "closed". The supply of open source compiled apps for mobile devices is much smal
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by FooAtWFU (699187)
      I take it you're not even interested in trying to make an app like the barcode scanner on my Google phone... which not only scans barcodes and QR codes and such, but does so with a real-time video view (instead of making you take a snapshot with the camera when you have it exactly right). Obviously not having those capabilities, even as a possibility, is a good thing.
  • About 6 months ago I bought an E71. As an ex Psion 5mx[1] user I'm really disappointed. It's buggy and has an incredibly clunky interface. Just my luck that they won't be bothering to fix anything. First Nokia I've owned and probably the last.

    [1] It ran EPOC, the ancestor of Symbian. Clean, simple, intuitive and reliable.

  • Corrections (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:37AM (#29146125)

    It's not MAP3.. it's OMAP 3

    And the VT100 term emulator is based on gnome-terminal (at least it is in older maemo and I see no reason for them to have written a different one)

  • by Speare (84249) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:38AM (#29146139) Homepage Journal
    I searched for the word "phone" throughout that linked article, and nowhere did it mention things like, oh, talking and listening and dialing. No "3G" or "GPRS" mentions either. The N810 and N800 and (N)700 Internet Tablet models look just like this, but WITH NO PHONE GUTS. A few screenshots look like they have phone features, but it really seems odd that a review/preview just doesn't even mention such obvious things. Maybe it's just Skype for all I know.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Em Emalb (452530)

      WHAT?

      Of course it's a phone, it runs Linux! :-P

      (I swear sometimes slashdot could post an article on a rat eating plant and if said plant ran linux it would be proclaimed the coolest thing ever.)

    • by radish (98371) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:46AM (#29146211) Homepage

      Well there's a screenshot of a dialler, and the status screen shows an IMEI number, so I'm going with "yes it is a phone" :) Nice hardware for sure, and open-ness is a benefit for us hacker types, but they need to work on that UI. Still, interesting!

    • At a price of $750 it is more a computer than a phone anyway. BTW, the author did mention that this was not a review but just "first impressions" .
      I'll ignore the stupid summary and slashvertisement just for the fact that (s)he did not break the article into 10 sub-pages for page count.
    • I searched for the word "phone" throughout that linked article, and nowhere did it mention things like, oh, talking and listening and dialing.

      That's because they want to gloss over the side-talking component. =) Plus, when they talk about the microSD slot, they only show it in a picture with the cover off...

    • by Efreet (246368) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:57AM (#29146339)

      To quote TFA

      "I thought it wouldn't make much sense to go through all features of the phone just yet - I'm not lazy, I just have to leave some bread for Nokia's announcement guys!"

      So I suspect you didn't read TFA very well.

    • by Keruo (771880) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:20AM (#29146617)

      No it's not. Nokia doesn't call N-series devices phones.

      They are multimedia computers which have capability to make calls over 3G networks.

      N(700/800/810) were all marketed as internet tablets and had no phone capability to begin with.(beyond skype that is)

      This N900 is next gen internet tablet with builtin 3G. You can do much more with this device than you can with "normal smartphones" as it runs complete operating system.

      You can even install and run openoffice on this device.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by amoeba1911 (978485)
      Looks like it's the successor of N800 series, and new feature is the built-in phone and back mounted camera. I had an N810, and that thing is awesome. The 800x480 display really sets them things apart from other gadgets of similar size which resort to 320x480. It makes a world of a difference when you're browsing the web.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by SerpentMage (13390)

      Its a phone...

      Look at the image where it says: IMEI Address

      This is:

      Short for International Mobile Equipment Identity, a unique number given to every single mobile phone, typically found behind the battery.

  • $800? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Lord Ender (156273) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:40AM (#29146155) Homepage

    How can you justify that cost? For $800, you could buy a netbook, a basic smart phone, plus hookers and blow.

    • Re:$800? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Sir_Lewk (967686) <sirlewk@gmai l . com> on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:45AM (#29146199)

      In fact, forget the smartphone and netbook...

    • Re:$800? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Neil Watson (60859) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:46AM (#29146207) Homepage

      Miniaturization. I can't fit a netbook in my pocket. Close not quite.

    • by greenguy (162630)

      That's what I'm thinking. Well, not verbatim. I was actually thinking for that much, I could get a desktop computer, a netbook, and a cheapo cell phone.

      Really, this looks cool, but not $780 cool. Guess I'll wait for the N1000.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      How can you justify that cost? For $800, you could buy a netbook, a basic smart phone, plus hookers and blow.

      You must live in the US, where the cost of a mobile phone is heavily subsidized by multi year contracts for wireless plans. If and when Nokia's new model makes it to the US, expect to see it for $199 when purchased with a two year contract from your wireless carrier.

  • Open Source ? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bug1 (96678) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:42AM (#29146169)

    Are the drivers it requires open source ?

    Do Nokia playing nice, are they prepared to go out of their way to obey licenses or are they just interested in 0 cost rather than libre software ?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by bug1 (96678)

      To answer my own questions....

      Apparently this device is based on Maemo, from its website; "Maemo is a software platform that is mostly based on open source code" (emphasis mine)

      Expect proprietary blobs wherever they can get away with it.

      • Re:Open Source ? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by sznupi (719324) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:19AM (#29146609) Homepage

        Uhm...don't forget that Nokia LGPL-ed Qt, and recently is open sourcing Symbian.

        So while of course there are also practical reasons for what Nokia is doing, don't, FFS DON'T, paint their actions like they're sleazy bastards that are conspiring against you!

      • Re:Open Source ? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Minwee (522556) <dcr@neverwhen.org> on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:27AM (#29146729) Homepage

        Expect proprietary blobs wherever they can get away with it.

        Or wherever those pesky government regulations require them to. You can't just hack together your own code, plug it into the GSM network and expect the FCC to just smile and look the other way.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by tepples (727027)

          You can't just hack together your own code, plug it into the GSM network and expect the FCC to just smile and look the other way.

          You can if all GSM/UMTS-related code runs on a dedicated core that communicates with the main core (which runs the apps) through a well-defined interface. The Nintendo DS and Nintendo DSi, although not phones, follow the same general scheme: one core to handle audio, Wi-Fi, and power management, and one core to handle everything else.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by jonwil (467024)

      Nokia seem to be in compliance with other versions of their linux tablet OS so there is no reason to suspect that this will be any different.
      If by some chance it has phone functionality, it will almost certainly be like the OpenMoko phone where the phone functionality is in a blackbox on a seperate baseband CPU.

    • Re:Open Source ? (Score:5, Informative)

      by PTBarnum (233319) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:37AM (#29146871)

      In my experience, (which admittedly is years out of date) you can't build a phone with a libre radio and expect to get it past type acceptance. There are a lot of very precise regulations on the way a phone has to behave on the air, and in many cases the manufacturer is at least theoretically liable if the device misbehaves. Allowing users to mess with the protocols is therefore widely regarded as a bad idea by manufacturers, carriers, and regulators. When I was doing smart phone development, I was working on a totally proprietary system with no way for the end user to install apps, but we still used dual processors to ensure our app code didn't interfere with the GSM stack.

      Obviously, things may have changed since then, but I'm not aware of any phone where the user can get direct control over the radio. If there is an exception to that, I'd love to hear about it.

  • Shell apps? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Neil Watson (60859) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:43AM (#29146179) Homepage

    I've been thinking about one of these new Linux phones for my next upgrade. What kind of access does one have to the shell? Can one using an ssh client? How does one transfer data to a Linux workstation? Can one install more shell apps (e.g. ipcalc, tdl and remind)?

    • Re:Shell apps? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by u38cg (607297) <calum@callingthetune.co.uk> on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:47AM (#29146229) Homepage
      What I wonder is how long it will be before these phones *are* your computer and you just plug in a fullblown screen and keyboard wherever you want to sit and work. We're essentially there, just nobody does it yet.
    • by Sir_Lewk (967686)

      From what the slashdot summary seems to be saying, you would do all of these things like you normally would with a linux workstation install. If that is the case it could be what I've been waiting for, for quite a while.

    • For the N800 systems, Nokia even provided Maemo VMware development images where you could build your own apps, and shove them over to the tablet.

      You needed to jump through some hoops to get root (ssh) access, but the info was all available on the Net.

    • Re:Shell apps? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Col. Klink (retired) (11632) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:13AM (#29146525)

      Yes, Maemo is pretty much a full Linux distribution. You can ssh into the device and ssh out from the device. On the N810 (with a large enough MicroSD card) you can even install a full Debian distribution. It's still ARM, so don't expect it to be as fast as a Desktop, but everything works (mplayer, pidgin, Open Office, VNC client & server, etc).

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:43AM (#29146191)

    This is the most awesome device I have ever seen

    someone is clearly not familiar with the LHC.

  • by Blakey Rat (99501) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:47AM (#29146223)

    I like how there are two rival Slashdot cellphone factions.

    There's the "phone should just make phone calls and not have all this shit added on!" faction, which is pre-dominant in a lot of stories.

    And then there's the "I can't possibly get by with a phone that doesn't have VT-100 emulation!" faction, who are probably all rushing out to buy this thing right now.

    I, uh, don't really have anywhere clever to go with this idea though...

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by sqldr (838964)
      Well, my requirement is that it has smooth corners, and preferably a flange at the end so it can easily slide in and.. actually, forget I said that.
    • by Max Romantschuk (132276) <max@romantschuk.fi> on Friday August 21, 2009 @01:18PM (#29149069) Homepage

      I use to be part of the "phones are for making calls and the occational SMS" crowd.

      But eventually 3G phones became rather good, and most important of all, data in my native Finland became dirt cheap.

      Nowadays I use my phone's data capabilities every day. Once I've dropped the kids to daycare I check a website that can tell me which of three bus stops to walk to, instead of trying to remember the 20+ buses' schedules that I would otherwise check to get the same effect. It's even better when I want to take the bus home after a night out. I can input my location in the route guide website and it will calculate a reasonable route for me.

      Google maps has proved useful too, as my phone has GPS. The navigation software with voice guidance actually works, so I have no need for a dedicated navigator. The camera has a real xenon flash, so social snaps even in a dim environment are actually perfectly viable. Wikipedia is handy to settle factual disputes in the bar... ;)

      The thing is, I think of my phone as a portable multimedia computer with phone-features attached. I could live without the features it provides, but given that 3G phones are so cheap these days it would make little sense for me to do so.

  • I think this is fascinating news. But with all this functionality being delivered across so many platforms...

    WHY do I still have a PC?

    If someone figures out a way to get the device to output to a display and input from a keyboard/mouse. Even if there is another pc involved it would still be useful to many.

  • by petes_PoV (912422) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:48AM (#29146247)
    OK, nice spec 'n' all -but what will I actually be able to do with this puppy that I can't do with my "ordinary" smart phone, or PDA or computer or whatever this turns out to be?

    I don't buy an appliance just because it runs Linux or X11 - however I *might* buy one if these features add new functions, or make existing ones easier. So far as what I've already got is concerned, the only thing that comes to mind would be the ability for me (and not anybody else) to log into the phone remotely and use its functions across a network connection.

    Other than that, my experience of smart phones is that the keyboard's too small for serious word-work, the screen's too small for almost everything (esp. watching movies) and it's also far too dim to use in daylight. The music player's nice and the camera while limited is good enough for "happy snaps", almost all of which are discarded or ignored as soon as they've been taken. I.e. all features, but few benefits.

    So come on Nokia, don't try to impress me with megabytes and gigahertz, tell me what I'll be able to do now, that I couldn't do before. That's where the sales are.

    • Hate to repeat myself, but as you said... the screen/keyboard are too small for serious work... But the rest of the hardware is completely competent and in some ways better than a typical PC.

      What this new crop of phones needs is a mechanism to drive an external display and keyboard.

    • by BobMcD (601576) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:28AM (#29146743)

      So come on Nokia, don't try to impress me with megabytes and gigahertz, tell me what I'll be able to do now, that I couldn't do before. That's where the sales are.

      (Making a few assumptions here)

      1) Find an open source application anywhere on the web
      2) Download it
      3) Install it

      This is directly contrasted against the existing options which all go more like:

      1) Find an application on the provided store*
      2) Pay for it
      3) Download it
      4) Install it

      * Note the store reserves the right to approve apps on their own terms.

      If you're the sort of guy that doesn't ever imagine running something other than what is provided in the (Apple) store on your phone, you're not going to miss much. If you get frustrated by the notion of other people controlling what you are allowed to run on a device you own, the choice theoretically offered by an open platform should be a win.

      I say theoretically and should because this all depends on someone providing the applications. Or at least modifying existing apps to work on your new phone. If no one does this for you, and you can't do it yourself, then your freedom of choice isn't going to get that much exercise.

    • by randallman (605329) on Friday August 21, 2009 @11:55AM (#29148033)

      * You can watch a movie on this phone. The screen on these things (I have an n800) is stunning at 800 x 480. I and some of my relatives have enjoyed full length movies on my n800 and I keep my personal video collection (dv converted to mpeg4) on it.

      * word-work? Never heard that term, but I'll assume you're talking about messaging (I hope your not talking about word processing). Many people are quite efficient on each of the various keyboard input setups and this has two of them; touchscreen and pop-out keyboard, so you probably just need practice.

      * In case you missed the article the camera is very nice. Carl Zeiss; 5.2 MP. More than enough for "happy snaps".

      * Maemo is a very active community (http://www.maemo.org) with lots of great software. So what is it that you want your phone to do? More than likely there is an application to do it.

      We (the geeks) have been clamoring for an open platform phone and now it appears we're getting it. I admit that I get excited at the thought of being able to ssh into my phone, run scripts and write programs in Python/GTK and configure pretty much any and every aspect of the device. If you don't, you're probably not a geek and this whole thing will be lost on you.

  • by PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:50AM (#29146257)

    . . . as an owner of an N800, I would like to know if they will still provide the "Easter Egg" / "Red Pill / Blue Pill" option for installing all the cool (and usefull) apps.

    Unfortunately, these also could make it easy for some dork to brick the thing.

  • A great market idea! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JohnMurtari (829882)
    Folks, I think they new they had to make a strategic move to keep/increase market share. If they do deliver and make it a great open source platform running Linux -- they could have a LOT of applications. Could be a fun device!
  • Yeah but (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Cornwallis (1188489) on Friday August 21, 2009 @09:58AM (#29146355)
    can it make phone calls without dropping signal? I'm still waiting for that.
    • Re:Yeah but (Score:5, Funny)

      by petes_PoV (912422) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:52AM (#29147109)
      In almost every country in the world, the answer is "yes - we can do that already". I have heard that some, more remote parts of Africa and Siberia still have poor coverage - does anywhere else still suffer from this?
    • Re:Yeah but (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21, 2009 @11:32AM (#29147717)

      Move to a country where operators actually compete for customers' money. Judging from Slashdot comments, and personal experience, *any* country in Europe, and pretty much any other part of the developed world must be better than US on average.

      I'm yet to see a phone that would have problems maintaining the calls here in Finland, or well, almost anywhere I've gone, and many of those places have been pretty damn middle of nowhere. (Well, some parts of deserts in China actually posed a problem, but do your calling locations compare with that?) And I haven't noticed friends having particularly more problems with cell coverage with their different phones, either.

  • by killmenow (184444) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:18AM (#29146595)
    This will likely be my next major phone upgrade.

    I own an N800 and an N810 and do some Maemo development work on them. They're IMHO awesome devices. I don't know or care about Nokia in general but they have been steadily improving this line of devices since the N770 and I just cannot begin to tell you how slick they are (again IMHO).

    I use skype and gizmo to make VoIP phone calls on them at any Wi-Fi hotspot and they are just fun to play around with. The biggest problem with them, in my experience, is people expect them to be phones and don't get the idea that it's just a handheld PC. Adding cell phone capability with the N900 (and increased horsepower) will, I think, cross this device over from enthusiast toy to a more mainstream "smartphone" even though I think the term does the device a dis-service.

    It's just more than a phone. I've never used a cell phone that had a web experience remotely close to the desktop/laptop world. The N800/N810 is 100 times better than any cell phone @ web browsing. The games available (for the most part if it runs on Linux, it'll run on these devices and I've enjoyed playing MAME games on mine), the productivity tools, the multimedia capabilities, etc.

    I've never developed apps for the iPhone but I've tinkered with BlackBerry development, Android development and Maemo development. While I think it's not as well-documented perhaps as Android or BlackBerry, and getting set up to do development on it is not as simple, it's easily manageable and *much less locked down* than the other platforms. Developing for Android isn't too bad but I think it still is a bit more locked down, developing for BlackBerry you are also definitely limited by what RIM (and the cell providers) will allow you to do. I hope that with Maemo 5 and the new cell-phone stuff, Nokia doesn't cave to cell providers and start locking shit down on these devices and instead keeps to the spirit of the original open-ness so I can still write apps that do what *I* want them to do, not what T-Mobile wants them to do.
  • by OpenSourced (323149) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:19AM (#29146615) Journal

    How does this works with the Microsoft-Nokia deal to have Office in the Nokia phones? Don't tell me we are going to have Office in Linux!

  • by just fiddling around (636818) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:32AM (#29146797) Journal

    They bought Trolltech and their Qt Extended phone OS last May, which is completely open-source.

    If you want to see what the OS is like, go and see one of the forks: QtMoko, Qt Extended Improved, and probably others. I am using QtMoko on a Freerunner and the interface is sweet even if some parts need more polishing.

  • Application signing (Score:5, Interesting)

    by FreezeS (1024527) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:36AM (#29146853)
    I'm curious why nobody mentioned this subject. For me this is a major PITA when trying to develop on S60. 20$ for the privilege of running my own application on my own phone ??? No, thanks. Does anyone know if this scheme is going to be implemented on this phone ?
    • by peppepz (1311345) on Friday August 21, 2009 @01:29PM (#29149215)
      You can already run your own application on your own phone, officially and for free.
      Just use the Open Signed Online [symbiansigned.com] service.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by ducky10 (1622565)
        Application Signing is how Nokia is going to control how people distribute applications for this device - this control is a big deal and is not explained in the article. It is a big deal because it determines how "open" the system is: If Nokia has to approve all applications then is this system open at all?

        The link to Symbian's Open Signed Online is an S60 version of how Nokia has done "open" before. I don't think this is the kind of open that people are hoping for, but unless we hear otherwise, it's
  • Want! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by symbolset (646467) on Friday August 21, 2009 @10:39AM (#29146895) Journal

    I'm going to have to find a way to get one of these. Decent video, open formats, always on cellular wireless. A gorgeous interface. And I can add applications with apt.

    I think a lot of projects are going to start putting more priority on compiling to the ARM platform.

  • by r_jensen11 (598210) on Friday August 21, 2009 @12:14PM (#29148247)

    If I can put Cron on this thing, it will be worth it. Setting schedules for changing profiles (automatically switch phone to silent at 8:30, switch back to normal at 5:30) would almost be worth it on its own.

  • by gilesjuk (604902) <[ku.oc.nez] [ta] [senoj.selig]> on Friday August 21, 2009 @01:06PM (#29148911)

    Apple created iPhone OS and are developing it with each release.

    Nokia and others keep developing platforms, then letting them stagnate, then dropping them and creating another platform.

    Just give your users some continuity, stop switching between platforms, it seriously annoys developers as they don't have time to master a platform and it annoys users who get sick of rebuying applications for each device.

  • by Knytefall (7348) on Friday August 21, 2009 @01:38PM (#29149351)

    the Palm Pre has a standard OpenEmbedded based distro. you can install packages from the OptWare repository [webos-internals.org]. enjoy fully supported, debugged and tested Linux components that are updated on a regular basis--all written by very talented engineers who are committed to getting awesomeness to customers as often as they can. (has Nokia ever released updates as often as Palm has for webOS?)

    don't like javascript apps? rip out the webOS window manager and put whatever you want on it. or maybe you want both. you can always switch between the two. the development community has already figured out how to do this.

    and the Mojo javascript development environment does have its strengths. it's the first platform since the computers of the 80s where you can hack on it right out of the box.

    how could you not love a company that made the contra code an officially-supported way of entering development mode?

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