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Comments: 296 +-   Linux To Be First OS To Support USB 3.0 on Thursday June 11 2009, @04:47PM

Posted by timothy on Thursday June 11 2009, @04:47PM
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An anonymous reader writes with an excerpt from Neowin.net "Sarah Sharp, a self-styled 'geekess' and Linux developer at Intel's Open Source Technology Center who has recently been working on the Linux USB subsystem, announced on her blog that support of USB 3.0 will soon be integrated into the Linux kernel. This makes Linux the first operating system to support the standard. If you can't wait and have the expertise necessary, she includes instructions on how to get USB 3.0 support in Linux now." Here's Sharp's post.
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  • by thomasdz (178114) on Thursday June 11 2009, @04:50PM (#28301001)

    My Linux box goes to USB 11

        • by PopeRatzo (965947) * on Thursday June 11 2009, @05:45PM (#28301771) Homepage Journal

          Sarah Sharp, a self-styled 'geekess'

          I don't care what she looks like. If she refers to herself as a "geekess", she's off my list based on annoyability quotient.

          Anyway, you want fun, you gotta go for the Liberal Arts majors. They read "erotica" and learn all that kama sutra stuff.

          Or, do what I did and go for a mathematician. For some reason, female mathematicians are sex machines. The trick is to find one that doesn't look like Leonid Brezhnev with lipstick.

          Here's the secret: hang around the math department and look for the girls with names that sound like they're from the former Soviet Bloc. I don't know why, but over there they breed a certain type of hot chick with strong math aptitude. Probably a result of some sort of early genetic experiment before the fall of the USSR. Anyway, they get over here and go to our best math schools and since back home all the guys are brooding boors who drink too much and don't bathe, it can be as simple as being nice to them (and, of course, bathing regularly). Also, if they're from the former Yugoslavia, it's best not to mention that you thought Clinton was a great president. They still hold a grudge about all the bombing of Belgrade and stuff.

          If you play your cards right, you'll end up with a female that looks like Milla Jovovic and has a brain like Pierre de Fermat. They end up with a nice job in a math department somewhere (or even better, the financial sector) and BAM! you're home relaxed, playing Far Cry 2 and commenting on Slashdot, writing a novel the same way that Brian from Family Guy is "writing a novel" and in twenty minutes she comes home bringing bacon. Of course, be prepared to cook dinner occasionally and perform like a tantric guru. It can be a sweet, if tiring existence.

          Now excuse me, I have something on the stove.

          • by abigor (540274) on Thursday June 11 2009, @06:01PM (#28302001)

            Also, if they're from the former Yugoslavia, it's best not to mention that you thought Clinton was a great president. They still hold a grudge about all the bombing of Belgrade and stuff.

            That's only if she's a Serb. If she's Croatian, it could be a point in your favour.

            The takeaway here is that paying attention to geopolitics can pay great dividends.

  • by adosch (1397357) on Thursday June 11 2009, @04:53PM (#28301067)
    Chalk one up for Intel and Linux kernel OSS support! IMHO, a big milestone in the fact that Linux kernel development is always teetering on the bleeding edge. This isn't going to change much for the novice user unless distro's do their part and package in the kernel support for it, but for the more savvy users and testers, it's going to help USB 3.0 mature very quickly and get the bugs worked out faster. I dig it.
      • by Vanders (110092) on Thursday June 11 2009, @05:03PM (#28301209) Homepage

        devices that make use of USB 3.0 will still not have drivers.

        That's simply not true. The USB 3.0 spec. is mostly concerned with the phy. & bus. The xHCI spec covers the HCD. The software-level device interfaces have not changed, or have changed very little.

        • by Curtman (556920) * on Thursday June 11 2009, @06:04PM (#28302021)

          The software-level device interfaces have not changed, or have changed very little.

          According to this [hothardware.com]:

          USB 3.0, which will also be called SuperSpeed USB, will be backward compatible with current USB devices, and will support transfer speeds of up to 4.8Gb/sec (600MB/Sec)--which is ten times faster than Hi-Speed USB (USB 2.0).

          There's some good info in that article.

          • Re:CPU usage? (Score:5, Informative)

            by Abcd1234 (188840) on Thursday June 11 2009, @10:58PM (#28304229) Homepage

            So does that mean CPU usage will be 100% when I copy files to a hard drive?

            USB 3.0 does away with polling (which is what causes the high CPU usage) with an asynchronous event model whereby the device controller sends service requests to the host (unfortunately, I can't find a great reference for this, although they mention it here [inno-logic.com]).

            Or, to put it another way, it allows USB to enter the 20th century. :)

      • by SanityInAnarchy (655584) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Thursday June 11 2009, @05:14PM (#28301367) Journal

        I'm only making an educated guess, but it seems to me that the drivers for the actual device don't change much.

        For example: the same USB HID drivers work on 1 or 2. The very same network driver works on my internal ethernet port and my ExpressCard.

        Kind of like how WoW doesn't care if you're on wired or wireless, any decent driver should be high-level enough not to care if you're on USB 2 or 3.

        • by Zencyde (850968) <Zencyde@gmail.com> on Thursday June 11 2009, @05:28PM (#28301579)
          Slashdot + talking about menstruation = NO!
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            I thought the Slashdot community was open for all kinds of fetishes... ;(
              • by LizardKing (5245) on Thursday June 11 2009, @06:47PM (#28302403) Homepage

                Err, Mrs LizardKing once said that she'd attempted sex when she had the painters in, and that it was uncomfortable because the menstrual blood caused chafing. Apparently a ladies "red wee" is a bit like unstrained orange juice - it's got bits in it.

                And no, I can hardly believe we're discussing menstruation on Slashdot. In response to an article about a serial interface.

                • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                  Mrs LizardKing once said that she'd attempted sex when she had the painters in,

                  As in, not with you? Try using the personal pronoun "I" before you experiment with sex. Disclaimer: my girlfriends and I were younger than menopause when we experimented with period sex. If you can't properly lubricate then just spit on it.

                  As if you were just saying, "Half-digested period blood-chunks are brown". Yes, nerds, they are. If you can't handle it then go to Digg and beat your dicks for eternity while the real men turn their women into jelly using their mud tires.

                  • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

                    by LizardKing (5245)

                    What was your hand doing with the painters?

                    It's a British expression for menstruation. Alternatives include:

                    • up on the blocks
                    • on the blob
                    • rag day
                    • Arsenal playing at home
                    • having Auntie round for tea

                    I suggest you check out The Profanisaurus [wikipedia.org] for the full list

  • by moon3 (1530265) on Thursday June 11 2009, @04:56PM (#28301103)
    Nice to hear that, but are there any USB 3.0 devices to plug ?
  • Poor naming (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sakdoctor (1087155) on Thursday June 11 2009, @04:57PM (#28301119) Homepage

    The official USB 3 logo has the phrase "superspeed" on it, and the icon has a matching "SS"

    Who keeps on doing this!! Being a relative term, you'll be up to ludicrous speed by USB 5.
    Ditto for fast ethernet.

    • by WinterSolstice (223271) on Thursday June 11 2009, @05:00PM (#28301165)

      I believe that would make the USB5 logo Plaid?

    • by fast turtle (1118037) on Thursday June 11 2009, @07:42PM (#28302893) Journal

      Nope. USB 4.0 will have "OMG Ponies" as it's moniker

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by tyrione (134248)

        Seriously? I was thinking of Super Sport. Should all those classic car collectors crap themselves a pile of guilt because you go straight to Weisswurst or Die every time SS follow one another?

        Only a mental moron thinks 666 means Satan. Even a Rabbi will laugh their ass off on that butchered Qabalistic interpretation.

        Hell they might even mock you and say, ``Stay back you devil's advocate!''

        Grow up. This Satan fallacy for the past 2,000 plus years has got to be the greatest one-trick lie ever spread.

      • by wampus (1932) on Thursday June 11 2009, @06:31PM (#28302247)

        It was definitely Satan that was behind 667 MHz. Without a doubt. Or rounding 666.67 MHz up to 667 looked nicer. One or the other. But probably Satan. Also, I think you are probably the kid in class who ate too much paste.

  • by erroneus (253617) on Thursday June 11 2009, @05:03PM (#28301205) Homepage

    I may have to preface this with the fact that I am a hard core Linux user. I run Mac OS on the wife's machines. I have a WindowsXP VM. That's about it for me personally. I use Linux exclusively and favorably. But what I have to say is the objective truth the way I see it... objectively.

    It means nothing to Windows pushers and nothing to Mac pushers. It only means something when they have something that Linux doesn't support. Then they can point their fingers and say "Linux doesn't support my hardware [again]!"

    Linux isn't entitled to bragging rights of any kind. Sure we have snazzy 3D OpenGL desktops with cubes and spheres. Sure we have the ability to many things "unencumbered" by DRM or other schemes while at the same time can play all media (so far). There are lots of games natively written for Linux though not the ones someone wants to play usually... (No WoW and no chance in hell of an OpenGL version of XWing vs. Tie Fighter....)

    The point is what Linux has is completely unimportant to others... even when they DON'T have it. What is important is what Linux doesn't have.

    Still, I'll chalk this little bullet point up in Linux's favor... but at the same time, none of it matters until really useful USB 3.0 devices are available and at that time there WILL be Windows drivers and support and there WILL be Mac OS X support. "Sure, you had it first... but what could you do with it?"

    (I'll still get modded troll)

    • For that matter (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Thursday June 11 2009, @05:14PM (#28301377)

      There may already be Windows drivers, Microsoft may have simply not released them since, lacking final hardware, that isn't a real useful thing to do. However internally there could well be a driver prepped and ready to go.

      • As you mention MS, something comes to my mind... There is nothing stopping MS from _never_ releasing drivers and such "Linux gets support first" gestures could either be a kick to them or could guarantee USB3 becoming a failure just because MS didn't include drivers.

        While Apple is certainly more nice company than MS, Apple is the one who always loves "We had it here first" type of things and all (excluding hopeless fanatics) must thank Apple for helping USB to really take off, with first iMac.

        So, they are t

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by drinkypoo (153816)

          There is nothing stopping MS from _never_ releasing drivers and such "Linux gets support first" gestures could either be a kick to them or could guarantee USB3 becoming a failure just because MS didn't include drivers.

          Not really. You're wrong because:

          1. USB3 drivers can be bundled with the controllers.
          2. If you mean a stack for USB3, Bluetooth was implemented on XP by WIDCOMM, I see no reason USB3 couldn't also be implemented by a third party.
          3. If everyone but Microsoft has USB3, they will look like bitches. They will add USB3 support just to have the line item. It will suck, just like their USB2 and Bluetooth support, but it will be there.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by Ilgaz (86384)

            and we all know, users really install third party drivers that didn't come with their computer.

            If you speak with a browser vendor like Firefox, Opera, you may get surprised about how a huge part of population doesn't install their better application just because it didn't come with computer.

            Basically, how many people installed "Intel chipset drivers" (a very small download) to their XP which will make their PC perform way better and compatible?

  • by atomic-penguin (100835) <wolfe21.marshall@edu> on Thursday June 11 2009, @10:00PM (#28303847) Homepage Journal

    I wonder when Microsoft will catch up, so that Windows will be, you know, "ready for the desktop"?

    • by Reality Master 201 (578873) on Thursday June 11 2009, @05:17PM (#28301419) Journal

      Geekess would mean you are just a sub geek.

      Why exactly? Although not productive anymore, the -ess morpheme is used in English words like actress to indicate a female noun.

      Why does her choice of neologism mean she's a "sub geek?"

      • WHy do you need to indicate a female noun?

        For me it boils down to this:
        It is an un-need divide in a culture. Instead of being a group of geeks, we end up creating geeks and geekess's. Which seems to lead to an US v THEM aspect in everything it touches.

        True gender equality doesn't need this artificial line.

        Also, I look at history:
        Princess were inferior to prince, Goddess inferior to God.

        I don't think we need that any more.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by smoker2 (750216)
          That says more about you than anyone else. Do you believe women are inferior ? If not, why can't they have their own titles ? What about hero and heroine ? It's simply a way of making each word more than the sum of its letters, but of course, especially in US english, you can't do that because it confuses the proles. So you end up with 2 words in the same sentence that mean the same thing. "And I also installed a new video card as well". Seriously, watching the discovery channel makes me mad. They pretend t
        • by Reality Master 201 (578873) on Thursday June 11 2009, @07:34PM (#28302823) Journal

          Although never productive,

          I love it when people who don't know what they're talking about correct me. The -ess morpheme was a productive morpheme for feminine nouns in English, round about the 16th century. There are a number of borrowings into English from French that use -ess(e) which are feminine forms, but was also used to form novel feminine words, such as authoress, giantess, Jewess, patroness, poetess, priestess, quakeress, tailoress, seamstress, and songstress - none of which are borrowings.

          the -ess morpheme is used incorrectly in English words like actress to indicate a female noun.

          Except that, of course, there's nothing incorrect about it - outmoded perhaps, but an obvious fact in the lexicon.

          Consider the cigar and the cigarette.
          Pirouette and pirouet.

          Not sure what your point is; why not also consider:
          leather and leatherette (a kind of fake leather), or
          usher and usherette (a female usher).

      • by sexconker (1179573) on Thursday June 11 2009, @06:24PM (#28302181)

        Nope.
        The correct word is actor.
        Same for waiter, steward etc.

        If you're talking about titles, such as Count, or Duke, or Prince, you can go to Countess, or Duchess, or Princess if the position itself gives powers/responsibilities specifically to the wife of the holder (and thus there is actually a separate title to take on).

        A (male) Steward of an estate or position being married would not (usually) confer any responsibilities or powers upon his wife, and thus, a Steward's wife was NOT a Stewardess.
        A (female) Steward's husband would not have a separate title either.

        Today (in the US) the only one I can think of is First Lady. Were we to have a female President, I expect a full month of Wolf Blitzer and crew debating what to call her husband. Hollywood already nailed down "Madame President" (analogous to "Mr. President") through various TV shows and movies.

        Congressman and Congresswoman are incorrect.
        Senator and Representative are correct. The two are designed to be separate, dammit. Having two Houses of Congress means literally having two damned buildings and bodies (houses) of meeting (congress) that are separate.
        If you really need a term for a member of either one, Congressionor is a pretty bad-ass-sounding title.

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by jabithew (1340853)

          Congressionor is a pretty bad-ass-sounding title

          Maybe, but it's only one step away from Congressionator.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              Please explain to me why this is sexist?

              Because prudes had trouble distinguishing in the past between an Actress and a Prostitute? Because casting directors used to be sexist? Should we use the male term for all female professions, or is this one special?

              I think it's time everyone got with the times and dropped all this 'Actor' bullshit for female actresses. It's absurd and carries baggage from the past that we simply shouldn't care about.

              The real sexism is assuming that we can't use a word because if the l

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      bash.org [bash.org]

      Grover: On my linux box, I once swapped out the motherboard, put in a new video card, doubled the RAM, installed a CD burner, installed a RAID array of (6) 200GB SATA Drives, and overclocked the CPU without ever rebooting it

      Rusty: Didn't you reboot it a few weeks ago?

      Grover: Yeah, I had to reboot to install my Thumb Drive

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Linux isn't the operating system it was in the 1990's, just like Windows.
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by X0563511 (793323)

            Or maybe you should put the troll-smacking stick down and realize that Apple did indeed have USB in their home computers before anyone else did.

            At least they got that right... USB is an extremely useful thing to have around.

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