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Ubuntu 9.04 RC Released 239

Posted by timothy from the delicious-candy dept.
Mohamed Zaian writes "The Ubuntu team has released the release candidate for Ubuntu 9.04; 'The Ubuntu team is happy to bring you the latest and greatest software the Open Source community has to offer. This is their latest result, the Ubuntu 9.04 release candidate, which brings a host of excellent new features.' The various other Ubuntu-derived distributions, like Kubuntu, have also had their RCs released."
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  • Nice, but... (Score:2, Informative)

    by DavidChristopher ( 633902 ) *
    Remember, this is "pre-release" software.

    Looks like there's lot of good stuff in there though - X.Org 1.6, Gnome 2.26, a kernel based on 2.6.28, ext4 support... (I'm especially interested in wacom hotplug tablet support in a mainstream distro


    This won't be the year of the linux desktop- but we'll see how it goes on my laptop :)

  • blah (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nrgy ( 835451 ) * on Friday April 17, 2009 @12:50AM (#27607691) Homepage

    Eclipse 3.2.2 still? When do they plan on upgrading it? I mean they upgraded to PulseAudio and we all know how stable that thing is. *sigh*

    I've tried running Eclipse builds from other repositories and seem to always have issues with them. It would be nice if they updated to a later version.

    • Re:blah (Score:5, Insightful)

      by setagllib ( 753300 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @01:51AM (#27608023)

      Nobody I know uses the Ubuntu Eclipse package anyway. Just unpack Eclipse from eclipse.org somewhere and make a launcher for it. I also prefer to use the real JDK rather than OpenJDK, at least as long as OpenJDK has Swing bugs.

      • Re:blah (Score:4, Interesting)

        by BlackCreek ( 1004083 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @04:11AM (#27608649)

        I second that. Eclipse can be a mess, downloading and installing it directly is, by far, the best option.

        I have a bunch of co-workers using Eclipse and Ubuntu. Nobody even considers using the Ubuntu distributed version. The age of this bug should make it clear how much attention Eclipse gets in Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/81900 [launchpad.net]

        I was going to say that for Java development you are normally better off by downloading and setting up everything yourself, but I guess that is also true for all other programming languages. At least I did that also when developing with Python.

  • upgraded yesterday (Score:3, Informative)

    by wizardforce ( 1005805 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @12:53AM (#27607707) Journal

    So far so good, bootime looks good, speed seems reasonable. No problems with stability to speak of yet.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by jd ( 1658 )

      I've had problems with Firefox 3.0.8 and 3.5 installed at the same time, but that's not strictly a Ubuntu problem unless you consider the failure to de-install the old version when there's a clash a distro issue.

      There have been a few other minor glitches here and there, but nothing I'd call substantial. Certainly nothing unexpected for a pre-release.

      Some packages long-overdue for updating still haven't been. (A trivial example: ATLAS is at 3.6.0, the official stable version is 3.8.3 and the development vers

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Threni ( 635302 )

        I'm still looking for a cd/dvd burning app which works. Neither brasero or that kde one (k3d or something) does the verify step - they just freeze. The disks seem ok, but that's not good enough so I'm currently burning (and verifying) in windows. It used to work, so it's not my hardware. I've raised a bug report but that's not helped.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by batkiwi ( 137781 )

        Did you install both of those firefoxes from official debs from ubuntu, debs you "found" somewhere, or just from the dfault firefox installer?

        ALL that ubuntu knows about is what's in dpkg. If you roll your own you should roll a deb so that it at least knows which files are effected.

    • Re:upgraded yesterday (Score:5, Interesting)

      by rite_m ( 787216 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @03:49AM (#27608535)
      Love the new notification system (NotifyOSD) [ubuntu.com]

      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        by MasterOfMagic ( 151058 )

        I was wondering when someone would do a Growl-like piece of software for *NIX without all of the nice themes and without per-application settings.

        Chalk up another one for free software innovation.

  • ubuntu gets best practices paradigms-as-a-service! (Score:5, Funny)

    by gandhi_2 ( 1108023 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @12:57AM (#27607727) Homepage

    FeatureList-> here [ubuntu.com]

    Among the features are "cloud computing" and "turn-key" email servers. *groan*. You guys have been saying "linux needs an advertising dept"...well this is what happens.

  • Any chance that the ath5k driver will be fixed for the Acer Aspire One (8.9")? It's getting better -- the machine no longer hangs with the capslock led flashing.. :) But updating to the RC and attempting to do large transfers still results in the occasional buffer corruption (invalid CRCs).

  • Let's have some fun with this (Score:3, Interesting)

    by 77Punker ( 673758 ) <(ude.tniophgih) (ta) (40rcneps)> on Friday April 17, 2009 @01:23AM (#27607867)

    I'm in the mood to get reckless and use experimental software to handle my upgrade. I know I'm not the only one using apt-p2p tonight!

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6058308 [ubuntuforums.org]

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

      I used apt-p2p to upgrade to the beta a day or two ago. So far everything is great except that Ubuntu still hasn't figured out audio. I had to install Pulseaudio and follow PerfectSetup to get audio working. The nVidia 180.44 driver is working great for me, and your problem with it is almost guaranteed to be nVidia's fault.

    • Apt uses checksums and digital signing, if apt-p2p downloads a bad package, apt shouldn't install it.

  • I've been running 9.04 on my Dell laptop for a few weeks now. Like every new release, it's a mixed bag.
    Pluses:
    • Really, super, extra fast boot (10 seconds on my newish Dell)
    • Fixes a lot of bugs (in GNOME mainly) from the previous release, Intrepid, which was their worst ever
    • Includes the ext4 file system---having upgraded to ext4, I'm really noticing the performance upgrade.

    Minuses:

    • Evolution suckage continues. This version of the mail client crashed on me on startup, plus the "remove duplicate email" plugin no longer works with it. I've had it with Evolution. I've migrated to Thunderbird, and am vastly more happy. I continue to use Evolution's calendaring system, but only as a way to get my google calendar onto the GNOME panel.
    • Broken NVIDIA binary blob drivers. Yet again. The intrepid drivers were OK, but now there's something toxic about the combination of either 173 or 180 and the Jaunty kernel. On 173 twinview locks up on me, and on 180 I get random hard lockups once a week. I have really had it with this nvidia binary blob garbage---I am anxiously awaiting some kind of dual monitor support in Nouveau, so I can ditch this piece of rubbish---a goblin that keeps on breaking Linux for many more people than just me, and always will, as long as the binary blob keeps on going.

    • Re:The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usag (Score:5, Informative)

      by spasm ( 79260 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @01:52AM (#27608031) Homepage

      The 'Lightning' add-on for Thunderbird lets you subscribe to multiple Google calendars & shows them as a sidebar to Thunderbird's mail window. Not quite the same as having it in Gnome panel, but I thought you might be curious to check it out if you weren't already aware of it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Darkk ( 1296127 )

      You can actually install the Lightning add-on for Thunderbird which will give you calender functions. I totally agree Evolution suck a$$ and do wish they make Thunderbird de facto standard just like Firefox.

      What is really nice about Thunderbird the fact there are Linux and Windows versions which can both read the SAME data files without any kind of conversion. Really slick. I was doing that for awhile until I finally weaned myself off of WinXP for good.

    • Re:The pluses and the minuses from two weeks' usag (Score:5, Informative)

      by iammani ( 1392285 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @02:35AM (#27608275)

      Includes the ext4 file system---having upgraded to ext4, I'm really noticing the performance upgrade.

      Be warned that the ext4 implementation in the RC is buggy. See Known Issues [ubuntu.com]. It is expected to be fixed in the final release. So, stay will ext3, and upgrade to ext4 once the final release comes out.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by sakdoctor ( 1087155 )

        That's not what it said.

        ...is expected that a fix for this problem will be made available as a post-release update

        Even the final release will be affected by this bug.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Zebedeu ( 739988 )

          Even the final release will be affected by this bug.

          I checked the page and it says:

          When using the ext4 filesystem, accessing large files can trigger a kernel panic and filesystem corruption. The fix for this problem will be included in the final 9.04 release. Users installing from the Ubuntu 9.04 Release Candidate may wish to avoid this problem by using the default ext3 filesystem and converting it to ext4 after release.

          Maybe that page changed meanwhile.

          • I read the thing when it was first released (I was online when they sent the e-mails through the mailing lists) and it has always read what you quoted, so I'm not sure what that parent is talking about.
    • Other minus: Updates killed my sound (on both a laptop and a desktop) not long after it went beta. Fortunately, it works in a fresh install. I guess a config file got clobbered somewhere.
    • I've been using the thing since Alpha 6. They've ironed out a lot of bugs since then, and the Beta was really rather stable.

      I haven't had or seen any nVidia card issues; is this a known bug? what card are you running?

  • Intel video drivers suck! (Score:4, Informative)

    by MindlessAutomata ( 1282944 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @02:17AM (#27608179)

    Woe to anyone using an intel video card! Right now we're experiencing random lockups, and performance has generally been subpar for a lot of people. I'm not sure how stable UXA is yet, earlier it was causing a lot of lockups.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Kjella ( 173770 )

      Yeah, those damn binary blobs. Nothing but unstable pieces of shit, can't wait to get rid of them and install some op... Intel? Waaaaaaaait a minute, this rant needs work.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by wrook ( 134116 )

        Just because it's open source doesn't mean it doesn't suck. The Intel drivers have always had serious performance problems. Now this. I wish there was someplace else to turn. On the other hand the binary blobs suck precisely because they are binary blobs.

        What this rant needs is: "I should get off my butt and fix the damn Intel drivers".

    • My G45-based system's not too bad. There are some weird graphical glitches, but it's been stable ever since alpha 6 or so.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by ameyer17 ( 935373 )

        Well, I mean X/the kernel has been mostly stable, with a couple issues related to resuming from hibernation. PulseAudio's still a bit stability-challenged, though.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Zebedeu ( 739988 )

      No problems whatsoever in my NC10 netbook (Intel 945GSE).

      The Intel drivers have been a breath of fresh air, coming from a previous NVidia-based laptop.

    • What Intel chipset are you using? I have a laptop (Vostro 1700) with X3100, and I have Compiz enabled with lots of shiny effects. Thus far I have seen no such lockups or slowdowns. In fact, I was quite pleased (and surprised) with the speed both in the visual effects and in 3D games like Sauerbraten.

  • Seems pretty rough (Score:5, Informative)

    by Radhruin ( 875377 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @02:22AM (#27608209)

    I just upgraded, and I gotta say, it's been pretty painful.

    • Had to reinstall sound drivers and get them working again (involves choosing a few settings here and there) and figure I need to restart to see any changes. Not the end of the world, but quite annoying, but then the fun began.
    • My System menu lacks a "Quit" option (no kidding).
    • During shutdown, my system speaker blared very quick (and LOUD) beeps during the entire shutdown process. When the final screen showed up, it changed to a constant tone for a couple seconds before dying away.
    • Booting up is very slow as it pauses at one place for 10 or more seconds, then the load screen bails. It says something about an IO error. Eventually it boots normally.
    • The monitor will not go to sleep. Instead the entire screen turns pure white. Thankfully the login box is there, you just can't see it, so it's possible to log in and clear the issue.

    There's also been a million smaller gripes here and there, and this is only after an hour or so. Basically, the user experience could use a major amount of work in my estimation :(

  • This is not a troll. I'm a Linux user (occasional foray in to OpenBSD) and intend on staying that way. I also like the way Linux is going (including audio) moving complex features out of the kernel in to userspace. Yay for xorg, libusb, fuse, audio in principle and so on.

    But what is the state of audio daemons in ubuntu?

    As a non-ubuntu point, does anyone know if there is a simple kernel module which accepts the standard ioctls and so on on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer and forwards them back to a userspace sound d

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by mcelrath ( 8027 )

      The current audio daemon being distributed by Ubuntu is pulseaudio. This has, for the last several releases, been a horrible pain in the ass. After the pain that was esd and artsd, I don't know why anyone decided to try another one. It appears the pulseaudio developers released an unfinished codebase into the world, and managed to get it into ubuntu. So for the last several releases (8.04 and 8.10 at least) audio has been a massive pain. Apps would crash, pulseaudio would crash, sound would not be pres

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by DaleGlass ( 1068434 )

        Look in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf, there are priority and realtime settings there.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by mcelrath ( 8027 )

          It looks like it's also necessary to add a line to /etc/security/limits.conf otherwise you still won't be able to grab realtime priority.

          Thanks! I'm running real-time now. Now to do something dumb and make it swap...or I'll just wait a couple days until firefox goes over 2GB memory usage. (yes!)

  • Just upgraded! (Score:3, Funny)

    by radimvice ( 762083 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @06:31AM (#27609101) Homepage
    I just finished my upgrade. Everything seems to be running great, stability is rock solid, no probl

  • Python updated to 2.6.*, I've been waiting for that. Especially the backported Python 3 functionality is interesting; it'll also make porting to 3 easier.

    Pulseaudio is still very buggy. It eats my CPU cycles, and I need those for several things, not just Pulseaudio. Removing it takes care of that issue as usual. I'll try again in six months. The same for KDE 4, I'll seriously try it when I don't run into several bugs before the desktop is completely loaded.

    The new Nvidia drivers add support for vdpau, which

  • I got an unreadable desktop after the upgrade.

    Finally fixed it by changing the anti-aliasing set up in the System Settings/Appearance.

    Otherwise looking good....

  • doesn't even boot (Score:4, Interesting)

    by speedtux ( 1307149 ) on Friday April 17, 2009 @10:06AM (#27611957)

    9.04 doesn't even boot on my laptop (an HP DV2, some kind of SATA driver problem).

    Furthermore, I can't figure out where to report this. What's the point of having a beta or an RC if it's difficult for users to give feedback?

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