openSUSE Launches 11.1 173
Novell has unveiled their latest release to the openSUSE line with 11.1. Offering both updates and new features, Novell continues to push for more openness and transparency. The new release includes Linux kernel 2.6.27, Python 2.6, Mono 2.0, OpenOffice 3.0, and many others. "[...] Our choice was also influenced by impressive changes that are transpiring in the openSUSE community, which is growing rapidly and is also becoming more open, inclusive, and transparent. Last month, the project announced its first community-elected board, a major milestone in its advancement towards community empowerment. This is a very good openSUSE release and it delivers some very impressive enhancements. The distro has evolved tremendously in the past two releases and is becoming a very solid and usable option for regular users."
umm its not out yet (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Is This One the Microsoft Certified Linux? (Score:5, Informative)
how often does this bullshit have to be trotted out, only to make the poster (In this case, AC) look like a moron?
http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft,-Novell-spar-over-Linux-agreement/2100-7344_3-6137444.html [cnet.com]
Now stop it already
Re:umm its not out yet (Score:3, Informative)
openSUSE 11.1, the next major version of the company's community-driven Linux distribution, is scheduled for release on December 18.
Copy/paste! How did you get 17, parent?
Re:Still not safe to use Suse of any sort (Score:5, Informative)
+1.
A reasonable alternative is to use a distribution which keeps a clear distinction between free software and non-free.
SUSE always made clear distinction between commercial/non-free software they include and core OS. Core OS always was and is GPL'ed Linux.
All software is installed with rpm - you can always grep for license.
Re:Still not safe to use Suse of any sort (Score:5, Informative)
Well, while you go on in fear, I'm going to continue using what I've found to be the most polished distribution for KDE4 users (out of Fedora, openSUSE, Kubuntu, and Debian). Fedora annoyingly included a pre-release version of xorg that didn't have driver support from nvidia or amd. I have no idea what's up with Kubuntu; the maintainers need to work a little harder at making it stable and fast. Debian is just missing some of the nicer GUI tools for system administration.
If you've got a better distribution to try, I'd love to hear it. (I'm really happy we have KVM ^_^)
Re:Still not safe to use Suse of any sort (Score:5, Informative)
Please take your American software patent problems elsewhere.
Thank you,
rest of the world
Re:I hope this is better than SuSE 11. (Score:3, Informative)
hardlock without any log records sounds like a hardware issue - maybe the newer version used some capabilities that triggered this.
what you could have tried, redirecting syslog to a remote networked machine - though in my experience this has not helped much, as nothing gets logged in that case either.
speaking about suse/opensuse release quality, personally, i felt that including zmd as default was _the_ worst release[s] (10.1-10.2, if i remember correctly).
parts of zmd were written in mono (eww), and it was one of the things mentioned in howtos - as in "disable zmd upon install", or "remove it if you were not smat enough to deselect it during the install".
yes, it really was that bad. i was unlucky enough to install it (it was selected and enabled by default). i was relieved to find out that solution to many, many problems was to simply remove that incarnation of zmd.
i've heard that zmd was included as a corporate "push" to get more testing for it - no idea how true that was, but if it was... fuck.
other than this huge mess i like opensuse quitealot, and i have been installing/suggesting it for users, most of whom are very happy with it :)
regarding your problems with 11.0 - i personally haven't had the chance to install/use it yet, but i know several people who had, and they all expressed quite positive opinions about this release. which stringly hints at some weird hardware problem of yours, that is exposed by some component of opensuse 11.0.
Re:Suse is not linux (Score:3, Informative)
Yes Mono. Software that would have required a Windows box is now running on a Linux box.
[sarcasm]
It's terrible that organizations have another option for migrating to a non Microsoft Platform. Obviously they should rewrite their software from scratch or stay away from Linux. Linux is pure and holy!!! The power of Linus compels you!
Samba, Wine, Evolution, Pidgin, etc, etc, are all evil too.
[/sarcasm]
Yeah I know... all those packages that could be useful for migrating away from a Genuine Microsoft OS are evil. You can go away now.
Re:Still not safe to use Suse of any sort (Score:3, Informative)
Well, while you go on in fear, I'm going to continue using what I've found to be the most polished distribution for KDE4 users (out of Fedora, openSUSE, Kubuntu, and Debian). Fedora annoyingly included a pre-release version of xorg that didn't have driver support from nvidia or amd. I have no idea what's up with Kubuntu; the maintainers need to work a little harder at making it stable and fast. Debian is just missing some of the nicer GUI tools for system administration.
If you've got a better distribution to try, I'd love to hear it. (I'm really happy we have KVM ^_^)
Have you looked at Mandriva?
I haven't used Mandrake / Mandriva in many years (I'm an openSUSE user), but it is a KDE oriented distribution. Last time I used it, it was quite polished and worked well. I can only imagine that is still true.
Personally, I will stay with openSUSE for the foreseeable future. For me, it just works (TM)
Re:Is This One the Microsoft Certified Linux? (Score:3, Informative)
Not to sound too Monty Python-esque, but Brain Damage does not a cogent argument make. I did not prove nor disprove anything other than what was already stated. The deal equed out by Microsoft and Novell amounted to nothing more than "Feel Good" protection for Novell's customers, who may or may not have been clamoring for this type of assurance.
In any respect, Microsoft paid Novell more money as they probably felt that this would now be the death knell for Linux' claims of non infringement. Hovsepian, and Novell proper, disagreed with Microsoft's assertions. They are proponents for open source and people who deride Novell are often the most uneducated about the contributions that they themselves use, that were provided by Novell or their support of Open Source.
Get off your high horse. I dislike Miguel as well, as he is contrary to the above points, nearly becoming a full Microsoft apologist within the Linux community.
Now, bugger off.
Sincerely
Anarke Incarnate