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New Linux Distribution — Exherbo, Announced 322

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An anonymous reader writes "Former Gentoo developer Bryan Østergaard recently announced a new linux distribution aptly named Exherbo. The distribution, which has been underway for a couple of months and is based on ideas and experiences from his long work with Gentoo, features a new packaging format and several subprojects, such as a redesigned init system. Currently no installation medium is available but their package tree is public for the daring ones who want to play with the upcoming distribution. The developers strongly discourage any serious use though, as it's still highly experimental."
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New Linux Distribution — Exherbo, Announced

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  • Cool.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LWATCDR (28044) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:23PM (#23465856) Homepage Journal
    A new package format. Just what we need.
    Man I have to admit that after reading the site I really want noting to do with this distro. Why is it even on Slashdot? ... Oh well must be a slow day.
    • Re:Cool.... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:27PM (#23465918)
      > Man I have to admit that after reading the site I really want noting to do with this distro.

      That's good, because this distro wants nothing to do with you.
      • Re:Cool.... (Score:5, Funny)

        by LWATCDR (28044) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:30PM (#23465982) Homepage Journal
        Or anybody else for that matter.
        • Re:Cool.... (Score:5, Informative)

          by CrazedWalrus (901897) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:47PM (#23466234) Journal
          I wonder why the hell this was even "announced" anyway. From the web site, it's incredibly obvious that this is a pet project by a few developers who just want to try some stuff out. Why is this on Slashdot? They don't want or need any outside involvement.

          From the site:

          OK, I Want to Try Exherbo

          No you don't.

          Yes I Do

          OK, maybe you do, but we don't particularly want you to try it because we don't want to deal with you whining when you find that absolutely nothing works. Exherbo isn't in a fit state for users. We might get there one day, but it's not a priority. Right now, all we care about is getting it into a fit state for a small number of developers.

          [ more snarky stuff amounting to "buzz off" ]

          Really, all we provide is a few things that the few people working on all this find useful for themselves. When we have something for anyone else, we'll let you know.


          Soooooo.... What was the point again?
          • by MrHanky (141717)
            It could be viral marketing. Just wait a few weeks, and the meme on the Ubuntu (or Gentoo or whatever) messageboards will be: "Well, if you think Ubuntu is too easy, then why don't you just fuck off to Exherbo instead???!!" And all the wannabe 1337ists will use Exerbo, which will be ad-supported, used to finance SCO, and crap.

            Or perhaps not.
          • Re:Cool.... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by drinkypoo (153816) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Monday May 19, 2008 @06:33PM (#23468216) Homepage Journal

            I wonder why the hell this was even "announced" anyway. From the web site, it's incredibly obvious that this is a pet project by a few developers who just want to try some stuff out. Why is this on Slashdot? They don't want or need any outside involvement.

            So is this place news for nerds, or just for whiners?

            This is precisely the kind of news that belongs on Slashdot. Not a crosspost from the beeb or sci-am promoted to the front page solely to produce ad impressions for OSTG. Sorry if it's not cute and fluffy enough for you.

            • Re:Cool.... (Score:4, Funny)

              by grm_wnr (781219) on Monday May 19, 2008 @06:39PM (#23468294)
              Yes. Yes, it belongs on Slashdot. So we can make fun of it. Or not. Complaining about complainers is as bad as complaining in the first place.
            • Re:Cool.... (Score:4, Interesting)

              by CrazedWalrus (901897) on Monday May 19, 2008 @06:49PM (#23468400) Journal
              Please. It's a minor test distro that's for private use and is apparently not intended to go anywhere. The developers don't want attention, and actively discourage it on their site. If three friends and I decided to start a pet distro for our own purposes and that we never intended to make public, would you like to hear about it?

              Anyway, I wasn't "whining", as you assert. I was simply observing that there is an apparent disconnect between the contents of the site ("leave us alone") and a front page /. announcement. It has nothing to do with "cute and fluffy".

              I also find a certain degree of irony in the fact that you're trolling, yet advising others in your sig to ignore the trolls. Funny too, because I usually enjoy your posts. You're usually not the trolling type.
    • Re:Cool.... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by eln (21727) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:45PM (#23466198) Homepage
      It doesn't even sound like a distro yet. It sounds like someone got their ego dented and posted a list of things they would want to change about Gentoo, but hasn't gotten much beyond the "writing a list" stage.

      I predict this distro will quietly die as the developers get sick of reinventing the wheel. At best, it will be a very small niche distro.
      • Nonsense! (Score:4, Funny)

        by Hankapobe (1290722) on Monday May 19, 2008 @04:11PM (#23466572)
        It sounds like someone got their ego dented...

        An IT & FOSS guy got his ego dented?!? Say it isn't so! That never happens!

        FOSS people are the most altruistic and saintly people EVAAR! Why, they give their software away! They give their source away! They work for free much of the time! How dare you criticize these saints! They give us an option against Microsoft the EVIL that will run on Intell/PC products! They give us a way to save old and outdated computers that will go into a landfill!

        How dare you insult those people!!

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Sponge Bath (413667)

        ...hasn't gotten much beyond the "writing a list" stage

        1. Get mad
        2. Make a list
        3. Get article on or post to /.
        4. ???
        5. Profit!

        Sounds like half way there to me.

    • Re:Cool.... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by typhoonius (611834) on Monday May 19, 2008 @04:04PM (#23466472) Homepage

      Don't forget "redesigned init system," for those times when you want an init replacement besides launchd, eINIT, initng, upstart, and Sun's SMF.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by X0563511 (793323)
      You know, RPM, deb, tgz, init, etc all had to start somewhere... if people didn't take working systems and replace/enhance them we would still be working off mainframes or worse.
      • by rah1420 (234198)
        we would still be working off mainframes or worse

        Them's fightin' words. :) Either that or this hook is uncomfortable in me mouth.
    • Oh well must be a slow day.
      I think that was made plainly obvious when this story made it to the front page: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/19/1229211 [slashdot.org]
    • Re:Cool.... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Wiseman1024 (993899) on Monday May 19, 2008 @04:54PM (#23467144)
      This indeed seems to be a new distro, but it's aimed at Gentoo ricers. CFLAGS JUST KICKED IN, YO!

      VROOM VROOOM!
      • by exley (221867)

        CFLAGS JUST KICKED IN, YO!
        Man I wish I had some mod points. That is awesome, and I even like Gentoo.

        From the arrogance displayed on the front page of this new non-distro distro, it actually looks like Exherbo is by and for people who are too 1337 for regular Gentoo.

        If you have Gentoo users calling you a bunch of assholes, you should probably check yourself.

  • by naich (781425) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:24PM (#23465858) Homepage
    "aptly named Exherbo" I've read both FAs and I can't see why. Am I missing something obvious?
    • by Daimanta (1140543) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:31PM (#23466000) Journal
      Well, exherbo is latin for obvious so you are indeed missing the obvious :)
      • by Thornburg (264444) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:37PM (#23466086)
        I guess that was supposed to be funny, but "exherbo" apparently means to weed (as in to remove the weeds from a garden). At least, that was the only definition I could come up with using a short google search, and it certainly makes sense.
        • by Frosty Piss (770223) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:47PM (#23466228)

          I guess that was supposed to be funny, but "exherbo" apparently means to weed...
          Yes, Østergaard must have been on weed when he decided that the world needs another distro with an all new package format... Yes indeed.
          • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

            by Sponge Bath (413667)

            Østergaard must have been on weed...

            Maybe that's why he misspelled the name.
            It should have been ExherbØ (code name: Biting Moose)

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by drinkypoo (153816)
            Is there really something that great about any of the existing package formats? rpm has the stupid header and uses cpio which is even more stupid, I have nothing against .deb but apt I guess... Another distribution is always a good thing though; someone learns something, some new keen tools might be developed. It's not going to hurt anyone.
    • "aptly named Exherbo"

      I was hoping the pun would be that the gentoo fork was using apt ;-)

      Oh well.

      I've read both FAs and I can't see why. Am I missing something obvious?

      Interestingly, a search for Exherbo [google.com] on google only yields 116 results as I write this; the lowest I've ever seen for something I've searched for from a slashdot headline. I wonder how many search results google will be returning by morning?

      (funnily enough, a yahoo search [yahoo.com] for the same item returns fewer, but more relevant results - another fi
    • by slcdb (317433)

      Am I missing something obvious?
      Yes. The obvious reaction to the name "Exherbo" is "WTF?!?!". And the obvious reaction after reading about Exherbo in TFA is "WTF?!?!". Apt.
  • The developers strongly discourage any serious use though as it's still highly experimental.
    It's so dangerous that a single developer can only work on a few lines of code at one time. I heard that one developer accidentally saw a whole module at once ... he's in the hospital now and his condition is stable, I think he's going to be ok.

    Seriously, they treat this thing like they're trying to hype it. "It's not ready for users, not even developers!" The only thing it's ready for is Guatemalan Insane Asylum Inmates! Avert your eyes!

    It is funny that they claim more progress working on this for six months than working on Gentoo for four years. Because of bickering and criticism. I can totally believe that. I wish them tons of success!
    • by cblack (4342) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:32PM (#23466024) Homepage
      "they claim more progress working on this for six months than working on Gentoo for four years"

      Well, given Gentoo is usable and this is not, I disagree with their assessment.
      • Well, given Gentoo is usable and this is not, I disagree with their assessment.
        Are you certain about that statement? Have you even looked at the Portage code? Have you ever tried it?

        Sorry, but in my mind, Gentoo died about the time Daniel Robbins gave up on the thing. And I can't say I blame him, either. Gentoo has to be one of the most spectacular failures in Linus Distro history. Constant bickering so nothing ever gets done. Flames that make even ESR's diatribe about Fedora look tame.

        Gentoo was a good idea. Unfortunately, the man with the vision couldn't seem to keep it going in one direction.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by avenj (673782)
          And who do you think is responsible for most of the flames and poisoned dev environment over the past 4-5 years? Shockingly most of the same folks who are driving this new project...

          Personally, I think it's great. Hopefully it'll draw Ciaran's buds away from Gentoo and maybe eventually Gentoo will be fun again.

          But yes, losing Daniel was a tremendous loss.
    • by whoever57 (658626)

      It is funny that they claim more progress working on this for six months than working on Gentoo for four years. Because of bickering and criticism. I can totally believe that.
      It is funny that they claim more progress working on this for six months than working on Gentoo for four years. Because of the lack of users. I can totally believe that.

      There, I fixed it for you.
    • by NMerriam (15122)

      It is funny that they claim more progress working on this for six months than working on Gentoo for four years.


      Nothing surprising about that. The first 95% of any project is the easy part that can be done by anyone over a weekend. It's the last 5% that requires hard work and expertise, and will break your soul if you care about making it as good as it was in your imagination when you began.
  • by cblack (4342) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:26PM (#23465916) Homepage
    Sheesh, don't we have enough non-BSD non-SYSV unix init systems yet? Solaris has their own, Mac OS X has a different one, and I think I recall hearing some other distro changed theirs as well. This fragmentation is irritating for sysadmins and gains little. Have these people looked at the other systems out there (Sun's, Apple's, etc) and seen what needs of theirs are not met? Perhaps extending one of these would be worth considering...
    Altho honestly, I find SysV style init to work just fine.
    • by SlashdotOgre (739181) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:41PM (#23466142) Journal
      I'm actually very impressed by Gentoo's new init system (baselayout-2) which was released to ~x86 not too long ago. It's so fast I'm actually considering just disabling the splash image, and it's very simple to configure (and even works with the init replacement projects like init-ng & einit). At work I'm mostly stuck with Sun's SMF (Service Management Facility) and find it too complex and inflexible. I haven't tried Apple's one, but I'm all for diversity. At the very least both Gentoo and Sun (and I'd presume Apple) can work with the legacy scripts, so if you don't like the fancy new methods feel free to stick with the old.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by MrMr (219533)
      Most replacements for SysV init are based on lack of knowledge of SysV init combined with an attitude problem (that writing code is much easier than understanding code). I gues you're taliking about Upstart (which is now used by Fedora 9 and Ubuntu). Upstart is different, because it is based on a thourough lack of knowledge of SysV init, crond, atd, udev, acpid and apmd all conveniently bundled into one single product.
      • by MBGMorden (803437) on Monday May 19, 2008 @04:10PM (#23466562)
        I have to agree with you. Way back in the day I LOVED Slackware because I understood it's init system (it was just scripts. Worked great, and I constantly was praising it compared to the more traditional SysV systems.

        THEN, in college I took at Unix admin class. Having used Linux for many years, I knew a lot of what they went over already, but one thing they hit on there was the SysV init system. Once I had a human teacher actually explain the system to me and how it worked, I actually switched preferences. SysV is very quick and simple to manipulate once you get the hang of it.
  • by jesdynf (42915) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:27PM (#23465920) Homepage
    Yeah. That's right. Aptly named. Because boy, when I heard it described, "exherbo" just jumped out at me.
  • by DanWS6 (1248650) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:27PM (#23465922)
    ... is not going to come from this.
  • by Dwedit (232252) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:27PM (#23465926) Homepage
    I'd like to see the rationale for creating yet another new packaging system. What's wrong with the current ways, and what will the new way fix?
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:47PM (#23466230)
      Exherbo is a source-based distribution like Gentoo. Gentoo uses ebuilds for managing packages. But Gentoo is too tied to their stale package manager (Portage) which means the ebuild format hasn't been updated for a long time. As a result of that, many features aren't implemented and probably never will be. This is what calls for another way of handling source-based installs. The list of involved people contains several current and former gentoo devs, that have fought for changes in gentoo and now, it seems, finally given up on ever seeing those changes implemented in gentoo.
    • by bill_kress (99356)
      I don't know about the packaging system--I mean sure stuff could be improved but overall it'd be tough to beat Debian.

      On the other hand, Init needs to be dragged behind the shed and shot--oh and while you are at it, get the entire X config system to come along to watch, then while it's back is turned quickly put it out of my misery as well.
  • by Mysteray (713473) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:28PM (#23465944) Homepage
    "Phrase all design goals in such a way that it is hard to use them as slogans to justify stupid changes."

    It might be worth checking out just for that!

  • From TFA (Score:5, Funny)

    by sm62704 (957197) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:28PM (#23465950) Journal

    OK, I Want to Try Exherbo
    No you don't.

    Yes I Do
    OK, maybe you do, but we don't particularly want you to try it because we don't want to deal with you whining when you find that absolutely nothing works. Exherbo isn't in a fit state for users. We might get there one day, but it's not a priority. Right now, all we care about is getting it into a fit state for a small number of developers.

    We don't provide packages for lots of things you consider critical.

    A lot of the packages we do provide don't work.

    A lot of the packages that worked five minutes ago all just broke because we just decided to redesign several large features.

    We don't provide support.

    We don't provide install media.

    We don't provide a usable init system.

    Really, all we provide is a few things that the few people working on all this find useful for themselves. When we have something for anyone else, we'll let you know.


    OK, I don't need to try it. However, I'm curious about one thing:

    Former Gentoo developer Bryan Østergaard recently announced a new linux distribution aptly named Exherbo
    OK, wikipedia has no clue what an "Exherbo" is. What is an "Exherbo" and why is it such an apt name? I don't speak Klingon, are there any Klingons here that can explain this to me?

    From TFA I would guess that "Exherbo" means "fuck you" in Swahili?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:30PM (#23465984)
    They state clearly on their page [exherbo.org] that

    In Conclusion
    It's not that we hate you (unless we do). It's just that we have nothing to offer you, and you have nothing to offer us.
    They don't have a finished product. They don't even have a product yet. There is nothing to see, and they say it as well. Post this on slashdot when there is something to see. Then they will be happy about the traffic and the press, but now it's just a link to a page that says that maybe, one day, there will be yet another linux distro that wants to make everything better and nicer than the current Big Players(tm).
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by jesdynf (42915)
      It's worse than that. This isn't a distro, it's just a slap in the face to Gentoo -- and without any justification in the form of running code. They, in fact, are canvassing for your help to help cash the check their mouth wrote.

      Now, I can't tell you whether or not Gentoo merits a slap in the face, but whether or not they're right doesn't have anything to do with that they've done.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        There is quite a lot of code in git [ohloh.net], including a substantial base system tree and an xorg-x11 tree. And at least one person claims to be running it on a live system [wordpress.com].
  • Can we get a new build system as well? None of other ones are up to the task: Ubuntu/Debian's / Red Hat's / Gentoo's (oobvioously) / OpenEmbedded.
  • And they want their headline back.
  • Um...how about...

    "Jose Exherbo, you are a friend of mine..."

    Well, okay, maybe not.
  • Exherbo (Score:5, Informative)

    by hpa (7948) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:35PM (#23466064) Homepage
    Exherbo [google.com] apparently means "to weed" in Latin...
  • by overshoot (39700) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:40PM (#23466132)
    Well, that's refreshing. Maybe the gang got some hints on PR from Stone Brewing Company [arrogantbastard.com].
  • So it's not going to use one of the big two package management systems (deb, rpm)? That's idiotic. So they've pretty much screwed themselves on it ever being adopted in most business applications. C'mon guys. Just use whatever is already out there and has withstood the test of time before reinventing the wheel. And yea..don't even get me started on a NEW init system...
  • by mofag (709856) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:50PM (#23466290)
    ...another post asking do we really need another Linux distro?
  • by martinw89 (1229324) on Monday May 19, 2008 @03:52PM (#23466302)

    >>> Exherbo is a distribution designed for people who know what they're doing with Linux.

    Are you so badass that gentoo is like ripping candy out of newb babie hands? Exherbo!

    >>> Although it shares some code with Gentoo, and although many concepts are similar, and although many of the people involved were or are Gentoo developers, most Exherbo code is rewritten from scratch.

    We know way more than those Gentoo tards will ever know.

    >>> Exherbo is not, at the moment, a user-targeted distribution.

    Come on... you want it, don't you? You want to be so badass to use my awesome distro, to be the most leetest person ever.

    >>> It's not that we think that Gentoo is bad.

    Gentoo is wretched for our godly needs.

    >>> OK, I Want to Try Exherbo

    I am high as a kite.

    >>> Right now, all we care about is getting it into a fit state for a small number of developers.

    We're announcing this publicly because we have no idea what product we're presenting, but we'll make it sound fucking awesome compared to everything else, plus way wore leetsauce, so we can get some actual developers to contribute something useful to make our project objectively good.

    >>> The above paragraph does not apply if your pet project is something we find interesting.

    Again, if you have anything that will make this distro more than a publicity stunt, for the love of god, please let us know.

    >>> It's not that we hate you (unless we do).

    Forgot how much better we are then you? You did? OK, in conclusion, fuck you.



    Credit where credit's due: John Gruber [daringfireball.net] and Mark Pilgrim [diveintomark.org]
  • Because of this project, I'm developing a new Linux distro. It's based on Slackware, so I've decided to name it Slackerware. I've assembled a development team of folks I've talked to down at a few local college bars, and, as soon as everyone sobers up, we'll start working on it. However, be warned that this will likely take quite a while. We're thinking something may be ready by...well, we don't have a firm date yet because we haven't met to discuss it. Well, actually, we did meet, but we ended up play
  • by Lisandro (799651) on Monday May 19, 2008 @04:04PM (#23466464)
    Do we need more of this elitistic bullshit?

    Exherbo is not, at the moment, a user-targeted distribution. It supports packages that the people involved find interesting or useful; it probably does not support your favourite desktop environment or applications. That kind of thing will come later there are plenty of other options for users who want a distribution that does everything badly rather than a few things well. ...

    It's not that we think that Gentoo is bad. It's just that we think we can do something that suits our needs better. We've tried, without success, to do this using Gentoo. Unfortunately, Gentoo has serious shortcomings in several areas that stopped this from being a viable long-term approach (...) Portage. (...) Gentoo management. (...) QA. (...) The users. (...) Lack of overall design and direction.

    Thank God there's much more to that distro you don't think is bad at all. ...

    - OK, I Want to Try Exherbo.
    - No you don't.
    - Yes I Do
    - OK, maybe you do, but we don't particularly want you to try it because we don't want to deal with you whining when you find that absolutely nothing works. (...) We don't provide packages for lots of things you consider critical. A lot of the packages we do provide don't work. A lot of the packages that worked five minutes ago all just broke because we just decided to redesign several large features. We don't provide support. We don't provide install media. We don't provide a usable init system.
    - But I'm a Developer, and I Want to Try Exherbo
    - Well, you know who to talk to if you need to be told where to find the shiny things. And no, we don't want to use Exherbo to implement your pet project. Especially not if it's a stupid pet project. Go and inflict it upon Gentoo, they think that porting ebuilds to run on SunOS 2 ksh under Cygwin is a great idea.
    ...

    Wow! It sounds great! Do i need a secret decoder ring to read the sourcecode?

    Seriously. I'm a Gentoo user and this sounded like a great thing to peek into - Gentoo is not without its share of things to fix/improve. But come on. What exactly are they announcing here? A distro tailored for a handful of users (which is nice) that we can't download, try or even ask about.

    In Conclusion: It's not that we hate you (unless we do). It's just that we have nothing to offer you, and you have nothing to offer us.

    Sounds like it's coming along great, eh? Do us a favor and make your work public when, you know, it is useable by the public. Or even watchable.
    • by AnyoneEB (574727)
      From the summary it sounds like the parts they are working on are the lower levels, which usually are only indirectly visible to users. (Note that I have not looked at the project, so the following may not represent its goals specifically.) For instance, their work init might eventually result in a faster booting system, or a better package system might mean the people putting together the packages can do so faster, but as a work in progress these are uninteresting to most users.
  • by pseudorand (603231) on Monday May 19, 2008 @04:17PM (#23466672)
    I'll start by saying that I'm an unashamed Gentoo fanboy, so mod as appropriate, but Mr. Østergaard seems to have forgotten to mention what he dislikes about Gentoo in either his blog entry or on exherbo.org. He says that Gentoo developers, users, Fanboys, and community are bad, but the most specific technical comment he made was a criticism that someone undertook "porting ebuilds to run on SunOS 2 ksh under Cygwin", which is apparently bad. He simply says of portage that it's "broken and unmaintainable", but he doesn't say why. He says Exherbo option handeling is "much improved" compared to Gentoo's USE flags, but again doesn't say what's wrong with USE flags. (I get around unintended consequences simply by enabling/disabling things on a package-by package basis, so if he's talking about that...).

    I've been using gentoo quite happily for almost 3 years now on various servers as well as desktops for multiple users (no, I don't `emerge world` nightly), so I'm quite interested in what's wrong with portage (It's a godsend from my perspective) and the rest of gentoo. Seriously, I'd really like to know what's going to bite me in the arse here. But alas, Mr. Østergaard criticisms of Gentoo were far to vague and his design goals for Exherbo were equally vague and silly. Maybe he, or someone other than than the Trolls, other distro fanboys, and non-techy former Gentoo users who got burnt and should never have used it in the first place can please point me in the direction of some unbias and fair evaluations of Gentoo's strengths and weaknesses.
    • by Nosklo (815041)
      I guess you can get at least some of the information you're searching here: Description of exheres packager [exherbo.org]
    • this is my view of things:
      gentoo was the cool new thing, the hacker's playroom, then people actually started using it as a normal distro, the playroom got smaller. I have used it as base for doing testshots at specialized distros for embedded systems catalyst was/is one of the tools i really liked, so using gentoo to do specialized distro is one of its greatest strength. Biggest weakness, well if you try to use it as a normal distro then you will get constant breakage, update world usually for me meant fix
  • While some points made are valid (eg portage, along with most other package managers sucks, and Gentoo's management is inefficient) it seems like the distro is completely misguided.

    If anything, we need to be focusing on user-friendly *nixes, not developer torture - less still something more hellish than Gentoo. If someone desperately wants a system like this, they can read LFS. Or strip down a Gentoo install. That way, they're also more likely to get something that's more suited to their needs. And isn't written by someone who looks like they'd happily eat n00b stew for lunch.

    • having installed LFS twice I must say that was not so hard, the guide is pretty well written.
      Installing gentoo was not so hard either, the install guide for gentoo was also very good, but trying to manage a gentoo install and keep it usable was at some times pretty hard challenge.

      that evening when I was supposed to format one partition but I missed the number-key and hit enter, and all my LFS partitions got destroyed. I cried my self to sleep (maybe 200 h of work down the drain)
  • I realize that forking and fragmentation have advantages (more competition and all that), but man... sometimes I wonder just how far ahead of everything else Linux would be if everyone worked towards the same goals on the same projects.
  • Am I the only one struck by the irony of talking about how "apt [wikipedia.org]" the name is of a new distribution featuring Yet Another Packaging System?
  • I now see the following on the Exherbo website:

    Hi slashdot people. Yes, there's code. You not being able to find it is a basic entry test.
    Earlier they sounded like elitist goofballs, now they sound like elitist assholes!
    • by DF5JT (589002)
      If you are indeed unable to find the code then it's you who is the goofball.
  • ..."if you have to ask how, you probably shouldn't be using this. Or a computer. Go back to your Xbox" distribution.

    What's new about this? I already got a couple of those. And I've got them running, Thank you very much^h^h^h^hlittle.

    feh. Wake me up when you got something that runs on my Mitac 6120N, ACPI bug and all.

  • The name sounds like some horrible cardio vascular disease.
    Damn these guys need some latte-sipping, hemp-wearing, mac-using marketing guys.
  • YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution) features:

    1. YAPM package management
    2. YAD desktop environment
    3. YATK toolkit

    Bonuses include Still No Drivers For Your Wireless Hardware & Good Luck With That Built In Sound Card.

    YALD - just what you didn't know you didn't need!

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