Hardy Heron Alpha 4 Released 272
LarryBoy writes "Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) alpha 4 was released Friday and Ars Technica has a look at what's new in the latest builds of Hardy Heron. 'Although many of the significant architectural features like PulseAudio and GIO are still in transitional stages and aren't fully functional yet, Ubuntu 8.04 alpha 4 is still very impressive. I'm a big fan of D-Bus and I'm very pleased to see it being adopted throughout the entire desktop stack in core components.'"
Who cares? (Score:3, Insightful)
Another Look Available Here (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Who cares? (Score:2, Insightful)
Queued file operations -- finally?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Please tell me this means that file operations will actually queue to be run in sequence, saving us from disk and cache trashing slowing things down? With "run", "pause", "cancel" on each individual transfer? Pretty please?
Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (Score:5, Insightful)
So what you're saying is that Debian fucking sucks because they take like, Linus' kernel and GNU compilers and Theo's ssh server instead of developing their own things?
I think you need to take a deep breath and read the GPL and BSD license again. ;)
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Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (Score:4, Insightful)
If you dont want your software to be freely used and redistributed, DO NOT OPEN IT. Period. Canonical is doing what they can with what is available and has no obligation, either moral, ethical or legal, to do anything for or against the producers of the FOSS they use. About they not opening software of their own, in that very speciffic case, im right besides you: release, cannonical bastards, SLES did it for yast (although thankfully that didnt take off for the rest of the distros), redhat did it for the Netscape Directory and gfs (and that cost them a bundle) so yeah, play fair and dont use proprietary software.... or is this right?
For example, redhats RHN proxy/satellite stuff uses oracle as backing and is quite proprietary as far as i know. Novell hasnt released the code for their support portal either, is that ethically right or wrong?.... im not sure where you want to stand on this issues, but its getting more complicated to pass judgment on this stuff the more I think about it.
Now... im waiting to see if lightning strikes me. Your slashdot id gets you quite close to the very begining. I mean, you gotta be old in this game. I was about to cite the Open Source Definition but then again, maybe you're one of the authors or something and will retaliate to this strongly.... aw, hell, here it goes:
Dont you think your position goes against the spirit of the OS definition and the GPL?
Re:What about KDE integration? (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, KDE 4.0 is more of a beta quality [kde.org] release (like Mac OS/X 10.0 or pre-SP1 Vista) - it's 4.1 or so that'll really be ready for daily use by normal users. Unfortunately, Hardy falls at an awkward time with respect to 4.0 (or vice versa) - 4.0 isn't ready for long term support, but 3.5 isn't likely to be relevant for 3 long years. As a result, while Ubuntu 8.04 will be a Long Term Support (LTS) release, Kubuntu 8.04 will not be [kubuntu.org].
I agree with your opinion of Gnome (I use it myself), and with your assessment of KDE 4 (I look forward to trying it out - looks great so far!). And I'm very suspicious that Mono contains Microsoft-patented technology, and believe free software developers should avoid it until the title is clear. But that's just my $0.02 worth (and it seems to be worth less every day...) I don't believe any critical part of Gnome is dependent on Mono, however.
Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (Score:4, Insightful)
Is Launchpad even released to the public? It doesn't make much sense to discuss the license if it isn't distributed. Do you require Google to release source for its search engine?
Define contribution (Score:2, Insightful)
All I can say is, as long as Ubuntu stays true to its name, I wont have any qualms about using it.
Its just a distribution... (Score:2, Insightful)
I am equally delighted any time I see someone open their eyes to GNU/Linux for ANY reason, or ANY distribution. I think the old community is going to need to worry more about the influx of noobs to the community as market share rises, and try to remember why we are all here in the first place.
cart before the horse (Score:5, Insightful)
You see, if I'm looking at purchasing a laptop with Broadcom wireless and I happen to know that Broadcom Don't Work That Great(TM) in linux, then rather than switch to an OS that is in my eyes inferior, insulting, buggy and patronising, not to mention the fruit of a hostile predatory monopolist, I'll just find another laptop, one that has good open hardware. They abound, at least in this market.
Now you may accuse me of being political, bigotted, or evangelist, but I've used every significant version of Windows since 3.11 for Workgroups frankly they all grate my nerves.
And I'm done screwing away hours just to get this soundcard or that wireless or video hardware to work. Yeah, most people here will agree with you, but choosing Vista over Ubuntu when there are perfectly good hardware options out there is, in my view, shooting yourself in the foot, putting the cart before the horse, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
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Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (Score:2, Insightful)
You've obviously never been an OSS developer, only users ever whine about this kind of stuff.
Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (Score:3, Insightful)
How is that hypocritical? It's not because Canonical is helping the spread of open source. It's helping the popularity of Linux. Perhaps one of the best things any company can give to the open source community is more users, and Canonical is doing that. Of course they didn't make most of the components themselves - they put them together and advertised it right.
Launchpad is their product; what's wrong with their doing with it what they think is best for it? Whether or not it's best for the community is not the issue; it's their business. Besides, they have already open sourced one component of Launchpad, namely, Storm.
Re:PulseAudio works nicely in Fedora 8 (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:ndiswrapper (Score:3, Insightful)
MS achieves virtually nothing. The hardware vendors to elaborate testing and fiddling to make sure the pre-installed OS works when you get it.
Apple does a bit more: it checks for its own (limited) hardware compatability.
But pre-installed Ubuntu from Dell
Try installing XP or Vista on a computer you built yourself sometime. It rarely all just works out of the box. It requires hours of installing drivers, made easier because the part manufacturers supply those drivers for you.
Compare like to like, please.
Re:ndiswrapper? Phooeeey! (Score:3, Insightful)
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