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Switching Hospital Systems to Linux 305

jcatcw writes "Health care software vendor McKesson Provider Technologies is focusing on ways to cut IT costs for customers, including hospitals and medical offices. The cure is moving many of McKesson's medical software applications to Linux, which can then be used on less expensive commodity hardware instead of expensive mainframes. A deal with Red Hat allows McKesson to offer its software in a top-to-bottom package for mission-critical hospital IT systems."
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Switching Hospital Systems to Linux

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  • by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Wednesday December 12, 2007 @11:47PM (#21679865) Homepage
    Well, TFA didn't exactly mention it, but it appears that it's the server apps that get the UNIX -> Linux treatment. I'll bet that the clients remain XP / Exploder 5-6.

    Linux at the desk top is so next year.

  • by demonlapin ( 527802 ) on Thursday December 13, 2007 @12:11AM (#21680021) Homepage Journal
    AMEN BROTHER! I'm a doctor in a hospital that just deployed an electronic health record system that is slower than the system it replaced - which was slower than the TTY system it replaced - that refuses to search patient names if you can't provide a first initial. I'm an anesthesiologist, so I see people I don't have long relationships with, and remembering someone's first name is just damned hard when you remember their medical conditions better than their name. The one piece of medical software I've seen that is really fantastic - and no, I don't own a piece of the company, I just wish I did - is our radiology system, Stentor iSite (now bought by Phillips, I think). It's very easy to use, yet the advanced user can access all sorts of features that improve the experience.
  • by ralphdaugherty ( 225648 ) <ralph@ee.net> on Thursday December 13, 2007 @12:13AM (#21680037) Homepage
    Two possibilities: in the process of porting, they have to rewrite all of the bits that call grody Windows bits, such as IE, and therefore many problem bits get fixed . . . or they just write bad code all over again, Linux gets the blame, and hospitals revert at great cost.

          You don't "call" IE, you serve it. And the description poster provided is of the Java server code rewrite that didn't work like the prior "tty" system. That's mainframe terminal software. (I'm an AS/400 System i programmer. McKesson also used to run their enterprise software on AS/400, but they also bought HBOC medical system software company which was mainframe software, so it's probably referring to that.)

          There was a big problem with the HBOC thing, lawsuits, etc., but they would have rewritten in J2EE anyway. And you'll hear people who have to use web systems replacing mainframe tty systems saying the same thing everytime. I have a collection of articles that make that point over and over.

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  • by Psychotria ( 953670 ) on Thursday December 13, 2007 @12:25AM (#21680097)
    I actually think you're the redhat newbie and not the parent. RedHat in recent (3-4 years?) has been very stable. All the stuff gets seriously stress-tested on Fedora first, so by the time it makes it into a stable RedHat, things are stable--i.e. the packages don't "suck". Additionally, because things are "tested" on Fedora first you get this kind of intrinsic QA for things making it into RedHat stable. Next time you decide to squeeze milk through your sinuses, at least do it for something funnier ;-)
  • by module0000 ( 882745 ) on Thursday December 13, 2007 @12:35AM (#21680145)
    Glad to see someone else saw this glaring piece of obviousness.

    Just because a product wasn't plug-and-play in 1997 when you last used it, doesn't mean it still sucks a decade later.

    The amount of testing/development that takes place in the fedora community all funnels directly into a more stable and usable product(i.e. RHEL). That subscription to RHN ensures those engineers bust their ass to fix whats wrong and get it delivered to you: it also means that if your the IT staff in said hospitable and something doesn't make 100%, you can call someone who it does make 100% to and get an answer/fix instead of diagnosing it for 45 minutes while a doctor needing to do a simple task breathes down your neck and wastes both their time and yours.
  • OpenVista (Score:5, Informative)

    by Wheelie_boy ( 26751 ) on Thursday December 13, 2007 @12:56AM (#21680243)
    Really want to save money? And a whole lot of Tums? Screw McKesson's kludgeware.

    OpenVista is the open source version of the VA's VistA program, deployed at over 1500 sites worldwide. You can also grab it for free from http://sourceforge.net/projects/openvista [sourceforge.net].

    Yes, you can get professional training, installation and ongoing support for it:

    http://medsphere.org/ [medsphere.org]

  • Re:OpenVista (Score:4, Informative)

    by ochampaugh ( 886730 ) on Thursday December 13, 2007 @03:20AM (#21680945)
    Are you actually using VistA in a medical practice? I hear a lot of people recommending VistA as a free software alternative to expensive and often disappointing commercial systems, but not many people use VistA outside the VA. I went to the WorldVistA conference in Pittsburgh in July 2006 to look into using it for our ~30 doctor ophthalmology group, and I was surprised at the small size of the community actually using this creaky old software in a private practice setting. There are a few promising installations, and the core user group is incredibly dedicated and friendly. I met one of the devs from MedSphere at another conference a couple years ago, and they've done some fascinating work trying to make the best of this system and support it. But I think most of the people recommending this system either don't know much about it or want you to buy their VistA related services.

    I'm a pretty hardcore advocate of FOSS solutions, and I was excited by the hype around VistA. But after learning about this system in some detail there's no way I could recommend it as a reasonable alternative to the better commercial systems out there despite the savings on software licenses. MUMPS is a platform without much of a future. There are huge gaps in functionality. And the future of VistA outside the VA is far from certain. I'd encourage anyone looking for an EMR/EHR system to educate themselves about VistA a little, but I suspect most of them will reach the same conclusions we did.
  • by lakeland ( 218447 ) <lakeland@acm.org> on Thursday December 13, 2007 @03:47AM (#21681043) Homepage
    Remember OSS isn't just Linux.

    In your particular case, that would be EnterpriseDB. You didn't say whether you're running SE or EE, and I can't remember whether BI is emulated by EnterpriseDB or if they only emulate AS, but if you want to talk about an open source strategy it is worth at least mentioning. The other big money saver is moving from EE back to SE - partitioning is all well and good, but you can afford about a terabyte of solid-state drive for the saving in licence fees, which would more than make up for it in many cases.

    Browser based terminals... Give silverlight a whirl - Win, Mac and Linux with reasonable .net integration. I personally went with Dundas, but I suspect my needs are simpler to yours there.
  • Mirth (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13, 2007 @05:18AM (#21681409)
    This company has been offering Linux based systems running Mirth, an open source HL7 messaging application, for cheap as dirt for quite some time. This is their homepage: http://www.mirthproject.org/ [mirthproject.org] Products like this and OpenVista are really causing a stir in the health care industry. IT costs might go down, but they sure as hell won't pass that savings to the consumer.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13, 2007 @07:43AM (#21681977)
    They were mid-range "commodity" unix servers. For instance, IBM pSeries. p630's, p550's, etc. McKesson couldn't spell System Z.
  • by RESPAWN ( 153636 ) <respawn_76&hotmail,com> on Thursday December 13, 2007 @08:10AM (#21682101) Journal
    There were a couple of reasons to replace them. First though, I need to correct myself. I meant to say twinax and not token ring. I had one foot in the bed when I wrote the comment last night. In fact, replacing a twinax network might make more sense to you.

    That said:
    1) The machines did perform their alloted tasks adequately, but did not perform the newer tasks that employees were required to perform. For one, email is increasingly becoming an integral part of intercorporation communications. These employees using the terminals did not otherwise have access to a PC to check their email. Furthermore, the hospital had newer software tools that, while not critical and necessary to their jobs, could help the employees perform their jobs more quickly.
    2) The users were frustrated by their inability to check email and see notices posted on the hospital's intranet site. Their basic job duties weren't impeded, of course.
    3) The cost of supporting 5250 terminals for us had risen past the point that they were a viable solution. Parts were becoming scarcer. IT personnel who actually knew anything about them were in short supply. It just didn't make sense to keep them around. And once you replace one in a department, you have to replace them all in order to prevent a riot. Employees are petty and once one employee gets something that another employee perceives as better (and yes a Pentium II, low end Pentium III was perceived as better), then you better make sure that all employees are happy.
  • by dotancohen ( 1015143 ) on Thursday December 13, 2007 @10:08AM (#21682847) Homepage
    In July and August I contacted about 40 medical software providers about Linux software. NONE OF THEM WERE INTERESTED. Here are some of the responses:

    Thanks for contacting Cakewalk! I believe you are referring to our SONAR 6 Producer Edition software (http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/default.asp). Unfortunately, we haven't released a Linux version of SONAR, and our products are only available for Windows XP and Vista operating systems.

    Thanks for your question. We do not have a Linux version. Consider running eMachineShop software under Win emulator on your Linux machine. If you have further questions we welcome your feedback.

    Thank you for your interest in TimeTrade Systems. Our application has only been tested on the Windows OS. One thing that is certain is that our SQL database will not operate on the Linux system. Will you continue to operate on the Linux OS?

    Thank you for contacting PEPID Customer Support. Unfortunately, we do not have patient scheduling software and we don't have a Linux port of our Suites.

    We really only support Windows or Vista operating systems. Do you have a way to make it work?

    Sorry, I am afraid not.

    As our website states, we work with Windows XP or Vista. That means that we do not work with a Linux system. If you require additional information, I am happy to assist. You can contact me any time regarding your needs with a scheduling software.

    Currently we only support Windows as a client/server operating system. It may be possible in the future to use linux as a client, but right now we are tied to Windows.

    Sorry we only have a windows version. PLEASE REMEMBER TO BACKUP EVERYNIGHT. You can do this by going to file then backup and follow the steps.

    No, sorry, we don't have a Linux port, it only works under windows. Do you have other billing and emr software that runs under linux?

    EPSKED requires the Microsoft Windows operating system.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13, 2007 @02:13PM (#21686293)
    Cakewalk's SONAR is not medical software; you're lying or misinformed. Or seriously deluded as to what constitutes medical software.

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