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Nigerian Government Nixes Microsoft's Mandriva Block 327

An anonymous reader writes "After trying to bribe a local supplier with a $400,000 marketing contract, Microsoft has still apparently lost out in trying to woo Nigeria's government to use Windows over Linux. Microsoft threw the money at the supplier after it chose Mandriva Linux for 17,000 laptops for school children across Nigeria. The supplier took the bait and agreed to wipe Mandriva off the machines, but now Nigeria's government has stepped in to stop the dirty deal."
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Nigerian Government Nixes Microsoft's Mandriva Block

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  • by MarkVVV ( 740454 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:34PM (#21296003)
    I'm dying to hear what do those people that tried to defend M$ on the last story about this subject have to say. And you also owe apologies to Mandriva CEO, too...
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:34PM (#21296011)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:34PM (#21296025) Journal
    Because he did not get his proper cut. Let us not hang our hats on the Govt of Nigeria or Azerbaijan. The real battle is for the mind share of corporate America. That is the fountainhead of all the money MSFT is using to subvert ISO or bribe vendors in third world countries.

    Just an hour back there was this story about MSFT including some game vendor's malformed copy protection driver for six year into every damn computer in the world. What percentage of them played that software? Why a corporate server that might end up in a blade rack without even have a dedicated monitor or mouse got this driver? Why are the corporations not demanding full disclosure of what dlls are needed and what are not? Why isn't there a third party service that will advice corporations which components of Windows could be safely removed by looking at the company policies and use patterns?

    As long as the customers accept everything dished out by MSFT patiently, there is nothing we can do to make it change. Education of the customers is the most important thing if we are going to rescue computing from this monoculture.

  • Serves them right. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by KiwiCanuck ( 1075767 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:35PM (#21296027)
    How dare they bribe a non-gov official! But seriously, I'd love to see Penguins take over the world.
  • by SlipperHat ( 1185737 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:42PM (#21296165)
    So in terms of corruption, where > is more corrupt than:

    Microsoft > Nigeria

    naa... more like

    Microsoft >> Nigeria.

    Remember kids, a Nigerian scam artist steals from the ignorant, but only Microsoft steals from everyone (Nigerians included).
  • Dirty? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by handy_vandal ( 606174 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:48PM (#21296263) Homepage Journal
    Nigeria's government has stepped in to stop the dirty deal.

    I am not a lawyer, in Nigeria or anywhere else, but is this deal really "dirty"?

    The article tells us little:

    "After public statements from Mandriva officials implied the marketing deal is legally questionable, Microsoft said last week that it complies with international law and the law of the countries in which it operates."

    Mandriva can "imply" that the deal is "legally questionable", but this tells us nearly nothing about the actual legal situation.

    Setting aside reflexive Microsoft-bashing, this may be a case of business as usual, legitimately within the scope of the law.

    Until someone clarifies the matter by citing actual law, "dirty" seems like an overstatement to me.

    -kgj
  • by Azar ( 56604 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:49PM (#21296283) Homepage
    It takes a thief to spot a thief, I suppose.
  • by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:51PM (#21296331) Homepage
    Now that the dirty deal is uncovered, the first question is:

    "If this were done in the US, would it be considered illegal?"

    The next question would be:

    "If yes, then should Microsoft be prosecuted?"

    Further:

    "If not, then why not?"

    And for all the Microsoft apologists:

    "Is this sort of behavior acceptable from your favorite software vendor/publisher/distributor, business partner? And if so, why is it acceptable? If not, please elaborate?"
  • Now, now. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pavon ( 30274 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @12:51PM (#21296333)
    The Nigerian officials are just upset the supplier is the one being bribed and not them :)
  • Re:Ummm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by WhiteWolf666 ( 145211 ) <sherwin&amiran,us> on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:01PM (#21296535) Homepage Journal
    No "bribery" here, just two companies making an agreement. Sure, Microsoft's motivation is to move more software over a competitor, but why is that a problem? If Microsoft wants to discount its software or given the company some other benefit, then whatever.

    It's called "dumping", and in the U.S., is illegal when conducted by a monopolist. It also tend to violate a variety of world trade rules.

    Furthermore, even if one can construe a scenario where it is legal (international run around the law?), it is extremely underhanded and a waste of government resources (they'd be paying for Windows and Linux).

    As such, here are the issues:
    1. It's probably illegal, and should be, but I'm not a lawyer.
    2. Even if its not illegal, its shady business. And it demonstrates more and more than no sane company should get into bed with Microsoft, because Microsoft will do anything and everything to screw you.
  • "Lobbying" (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:11PM (#21296723)
    In the United States, the legal way for companies to influence government authorities with indirect or implied monetary incentive is called "Lobbying".
  • Not illegal? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:15PM (#21296819)

    After public statements from Mandriva officials implied the marketing deal is legally questionable, Microsoft said last week that it complies with international law and the law of the countries in which it operates.
    Except for the US and the EU, of course, where it is a convicted monopolist.

    In fact, the statement "Microsoft complies with law" is demonstrably false. The courts have spoken.
  • by m0shen ( 974383 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:18PM (#21296865)
    While I do not condone microsoft's actions, I must point out that this is how international firms operate in nations that are perceived as "corrupt". Funds used for bribery are chalked up as business expenses. While in this instance, microsoft's actions are particularly spiteful and could be considered juvenile, I would like to recreate a scenario from a business ethics course. You work for company A. Company A produces a brand new AIDS cure. You have been notified that your first massive shipment of AIDS cure is held up at the borders of desperate corrupt country. You go to see what the matter is and there seems to be a hold up in customs. Your AIDS cure is time sensitive, it will be destroyed if not stored properly. The customs official hints that if you give him a handout, he will grant immediate release. What do you do? There is no 'correct' answer. Do you uphold the law and report him, potentially losing the shipment and possibly the lives of those it will save? Or do you pay him off for 'the greater good'? I know the example is a bit extreme, but there are areas in the world were bribery is an accepted practice. Until these systems are removed, all firms have to work within them or be at a comparative disadvantage.
  • by varmittang ( 849469 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:19PM (#21296871)
    Your statement so wrong. From the Article:"In fact, Intel has tested and certified three operating systems for the Classmate PC: Mandriva Linux, Metasys Linux and Microsoft Windows XP Pro." So it has been tested and it works. Mod me down if you want, but your statement will still be wrong.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:25PM (#21296963)

    I must admit that I thought corruption was a problem of the 3rd world alone. But now, we see that a [major] US corporation was perpetuating corruption.

    Finally got tired of living under a rock, huh?

  • by wattrlz ( 1162603 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:25PM (#21296979)
    Most first and second world countries too.
  • Re:Dirty? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:29PM (#21297051)
    The legality of a deal is not really what makes it clean or dirty. The morality of the deal does.

    And trying to gut your competitor by convincing part of the chain to swap part of his product for your own, through bribery, is pretty immoral even if it's perfectly legal thanks to Corporate America. :)
  • Re:Ummm (Score:4, Insightful)

    by NullProg ( 70833 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:49PM (#21297419) Homepage Journal
    Why is this even a story? Oh, because it's Microsoft trying to outcompete a Linux supplier, therefore, it's intrinsically evil.
    Evil, NO. Unethical, YES. No one likes a cheater.

    What is your definition of competition? A kickback or bribe includes any item intended to improperly obtain favorable treatment. Why didn't Microsoft just lower the per unit license cost to match Mandrakes? Are you saying that on a level playing field, Windows looses to Linux?

    From the article:
    Mba-Uzoukwu wrote that Microsoft is still negotiating an agreement that would give TSC US$400,000 (£190,323) for marketing activities around the Classmate PCs when those computers are converted to Windows.

    Where have I heard this before? Oh Yeah, the anti-trust hearing:

    In addition, Plaintiffs are concerned that there is some confusion among OEMs relating to the application of certain portions of the MDA to OEM advertisements for computers containing non-Microsoft operating systems. Pursuant to the MDA, Microsoft provides marketing funds -- in the form of discounts on the price the OEM pays for each copy of Windows -- to OEMs whose print advertisements and websites promote Microsoft's operating systems in a manner specified by Microsoft.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f205700/205751.htm [usdoj.gov]

    Enjoy,
  • Re:Wow, just wow! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Znork ( 31774 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @01:57PM (#21297567)
    "That's not really a bribe, it's just business."

    It's Microsofts standard way of bribing, you mean. Offering 'marketing incentives' is the way they've done everything from get people on certain ISO boards to making sure PC makers dont install Linux.

    They seem to get away with it on some technicality, even if they couldn't get away with giving actual money directly.

    In the end it's a legal grey area. For some companies and some situations it would be perfectly fine, but in the case of the convicted monopolist, I dont think there's any doubt that it's their practice of getting around legal language prohibiting certain anti-competetive behaviour.

    And morally, it's reprehensible and easily equatable with bribery. Both for those accepting the money and for those giving it.
  • Re:Ummm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bert64 ( 520050 ) <(bert) (at) (slashdot.firenzee.com)> on Friday November 09, 2007 @02:05PM (#21297717) Homepage
    Not only is it illegal in business, but taking a bribe often results in you being professionally incompetent.

    If you worked for me, and i gave you the task of "Book me the best value business-class flight to australia"...
    Let's say the best value would be Qantas, and they would fly me direct to australia business class for $4000...
    But you received a bribe from United, who paid you $1000 to buy a ticket from them instead...
    Their ticket costs $6000 and has a stopover half way, and thus takes longer.

    You would benefit from the $1000 bribe, United would benefit from a sale. I would lose out on my time and $2000, because you used my money to buy me an inferior (slower) service that costs more.
    You didn't do your job properly.
    You wasted my money for your own personal benefit, you effectively stole from me and gave it to United, in exchange for a cut of it back.

    Taking a bribe to spend someone else's money is fraud, and should be prosecuted accordingly. Also whoever actually took the bribe is not doing their job properly regardless of the law, and should be fired.
  • Re:Personally... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Volante3192 ( 953645 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @02:13PM (#21297875)
    I'm sorta tired about the XP bashing.

    I've used XP for quite some time now, willingly (I'm too lazy to deal with wine, drivers and the like and I like Portal...) and with exceptions of power outages or certain installs, I've managed uptimes in the 100+ day realm. Current record's 180 that was ruined by an above outage.

    Course, the obvious difference between me and a regular user is I use common sense when surfing the net. No fancy animated cursors, no banzai buddy, no new.net shit.

    Windows XP, in my personal experience, can be a very stable, reliable operating system. And for me, it just. works. Now if you've got someone doing all the above shit, of course you're going to tank your OS. BUT if they wanted to do all the same crap on a Linux box, I'd bet they'd find a way to tank that too. All boils down to the user.

    That in mind, I'm not touching the Exchange comment. I know better.
  • Re:Dirty deal? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @02:16PM (#21297949) Journal
    This is bizarre, particularly considering the history of monopolies in the US. In a monopoly situation, the customer simply has no choice. The market no longer moderates "what's fair" and "what's not fair".

    There are other forms of anti-competitive behavior that are also in the "what's not fair" even if consumers may not be aware of it. Price fixing and dumping come to mind.

    The perfect market you seem to have in mind doesn't exist and cannot exist.

    Microsoft controls somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of desktops worldwide. That's a textbook monopoly, and the rules changes for monopolies. Note that merely being a monopoly is not in and of itself illegal, but it does mean that the allowable range of actions changes. If Apple has a secretive, closed development model, it's not creating problems for consumers, but when Microsoft does, it does effect consumers.

    Now go back to Redmond, you pathetic Microsoft shill.
  • Re:Wow, just wow! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bkr1_2k ( 237627 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @02:27PM (#21298159)
    What world do you live in? People sell top secret information on nuclear weapons systems for far less money than that. And if you think $400k to an individual is peanuts, you're already in the top .5-1% of the world's incomes and have no concept of how the rest of us plebes live.
  • Re:Wow, just wow! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sique ( 173459 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @02:31PM (#21298229) Homepage
    But that's the reason bribery has such a stronghold. "Everyone does it, so I must do it myself."
  • Re:Personally... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jeffasselin ( 566598 ) <cormacolinde AT gmail DOT com> on Friday November 09, 2007 @03:05PM (#21298907) Journal
    XP is fairly stable on its own. From the point of view of a regular user, it's not too bad.

    The problems I have with it are more of a technical point of view, about how it's not very solid, hard to troubleshoot, how to cure it if it gets borked (especially by spyware or trojans), and how stupidly hard it is to reinstall and make the new install workable. The inability to transfer software from one installation to another is very annoying. The way everything is stored in monolithic files which can only be edited through the MS interface (the registry) is a constant issue. If it gets corrupted or deleted, you're fucked. There are ways to recover, but it's not simple, and doesn't always work.

    Comparatively, on a Mac OS X machine, I can backup 3 folders and I get everything: apps, data, configurations. If a pref gets hosed, it's a single text file which I can consult, edit, or delete (similar to how it is on Linux which I also like a lot). I can rebuild an OS X machine in little more than an hour, whereas Windows reinstalls take easily 3 hours including the entire patching process (which even starting from SP2 is over 100 updates now), and most software isn't even installed at that point, where with OS X, 99% of the software that I backed up is functional.

    It's not quite as good, but almost on a Linux machine. grab $home, /etc, a package list, and off you go reinstalling quite easily.
  • Re:Personally... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by itlurksbeneath ( 952654 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @03:15PM (#21299109) Journal

    I've managed uptimes in the 100+ day realm
    Obviously you're not installing the Windows XP critical patches that leak out of Redmond every 3 or 4 weeks.
  • by sporkmonger ( 922923 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @03:30PM (#21299335) Homepage
    I wish I could mod Tom Lantos up, insightful [slashdot.org]. Bribery is wrong, no matter where it's done. Getting ahead financially at the expense of morality does the world no good, and it ought to have repercussions. Engaging in bribery because the country you're doing it in doesn't object just makes you a moral pygmy.
  • by TheLink ( 130905 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @03:36PM (#21299419) Journal
    I wonder how long Umaru will live for.

    If he's actually cleaning things up, I hope he somehow escapes harm for a long long time - Nigeria does need a big clean up, and given the amount of oil and other stuff it has it could actually do very well if all the money just wasn't draining away due to corruption.
  • Re:Wow, just wow! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nwanua ( 70972 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @04:27PM (#21300163) Journal
    The thing is, in rich countries like the US (especially the US), bribes are essentially standard, except they're called tips, golfing trips, expensive dinners, payola, campaign contributions, plane tickets to Hawaii. It's hard to get anything done in some countries (US included) without at least small "incentives". What generally makes news is when the bribes are discovered by the western press, resulting in scandals and "tighter legislation". That doesn't change the fact that almost every business that works there is going to get dragged into that "incentive" system in one way or another if they wish to operate. Try building _any_ structure on the East coast of the US.

    The really big surprise isn't the "incentives". It's that the American government intervened to *stop* the "incentives". Now, that could just mean that they didn't get their cut, but...

    there... just adding some perspective...
  • Re:"Lobbying" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tsa ( 15680 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @04:56PM (#21300583) Homepage
    Hehe, I had a Nigerian colleague once, and after some talks with him I told my Dutch friend who lives in America that bribery in America might even be worse than in Nigeria. "Yes," he told me, "but here it's legalized!"

  • Re:Personally... (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 09, 2007 @05:45PM (#21301317)

    I disagree. On Linux, I can create an account, install any software I want to run into my home directory, install all forms of spyware and malware, and if I really mess things up, worse case scenario is to delete the home directory and start again.
    You're missing his point, though. Smart users don't get spyware. It really isn't all that cumbersome these days to have a basic firewall and antivirus running 24/7. I don't have to pay much attention to either the vast majority of the time; in fact, the only time I do pay attention to either is to open a port for a game - I haven't seen a virus for years thanks to running firefox with noscript and simply being a smart user. Most anti-viruses and firewalls also don't consume many resources -- at most both combined use ~50mb of ram.
    I've personally kept an XP system up for almost a year when it was shut off, not by crashing, but by a power failure in my house during a bad storm. I only reboot to install security updates if I personally consider them to apply directly to me. The majority of the time, security flaws are already blocked by my NAT router and/or firewall.

    Having said that flaimbait as a random AC -- I do actually use Linux (Ubuntu 7.10 these days, used to be Debian unstable) on my main machine. The vast majority of the problems with Windows, however, are entirely based on the stupidity of its user base. That's not necessarily Microsoft's fault - with 95% of the user base, they're bound to have the most idiots as well. Theres a thousand things you can bash Windows (or Microsoft in general) for - but stability due to spyware is not one of them anymore. You can have the most secure prison in the world, but if someone leaves the keys in the lock it's all for nothing.
  • by Bryansix ( 761547 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @06:12PM (#21301737) Homepage

    It seems like a complete win for the US. Not so good for Nigeria, who's Lunix Kidz will only learn how to use Lunix's SENDMAIL for their bulk email scams. But hey, maybe years of cranking up their OLPC's will give them strong wrists for becoming restaurant bus boys and cab drivers.
    Translation: My wife works at Microsoft so I will say anything to protect their place in the world.
  • Re:Personally... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by BillOfThePecosKind ( 1140837 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @08:03PM (#21302875)

    You can have the most secure prison in the world, but if someone leaves the keys in the lock it's all for nothing.

    I completely agree, but why the hell would you give the keys to any old person who walks into the prison? You can agrue now that you should just turn off admin privileges and you can no longer run into this sort of problem, but how many people who use Windows know how to do that, not only that but how many people do you think know that it is even possible? I like Linux because (at least in the distros I have installed and used) you aren't admin to begin with, and being a Linux noob it was a pain to figure out how to become root and do various things. This hopefully prevents the "idiot user" from destroying anything and if they try to figure out how to become root they get plenty (in my case at least) of warnings of why they need to be VERY careful. Just my two cents anyway.
  • Re:Wow, just wow! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jabuzz ( 182671 ) on Friday November 09, 2007 @08:04PM (#21302881) Homepage
    It's a "Very Bad Thing" because it restricts overall economic activity, which prevents development which keeps Africa dirt poor. Endemic bribery might be the norm in large parts of Africa, however that does not make it a good idea.

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