Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" Is Out 755
Many readers are sending the news that Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon has been released. Download options include mirrors and torrents. Wired has a review based on the release candidate: "Gamers and hardcore media hounds may still feel left out... but we found playing music and watching movies in the new Ubuntu to be every bit as pleasant as it is under OS X or Windows... Wi-Fi, printing, my digital camera and even my iPod all worked immediately after installation — no drivers or other software required... I did have to install additional codecs to get MP3 and Windows Media Audio support."
IU Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu-releases/7.10 [iu.edu]
- or -
http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/ [iu.edu] (separate server)
Ubuntu release days are fun for mirror operators. It lets us test our hardware and bandwidth.
(Internet2 connected)
Ob: Bittorrent (Score:5, Informative)
Currently: 1938 seeds, 4389 peers. and it's going *very* quickly.
7.2Gbps via official torrents (Score:4, Informative)
Over the first 3 minute sample I took, I calculated total torrent pool bandwidth at 6.5Gbps (gigabits per second).
About 10 minutes later (as of right now) I completed a 5 minute sample and calculated the bandwidth usage to be 7.2Gbps.
The tracker is going up and down a fair bit under the load, but those statistics should be fairly indicative of the number of people downloading Gutsy Gibbon via the official torrents.
Re:Has support from Dell and Novell (Score:5, Informative)
I would just cite emacs, but since you seem to be interested in something more...graphical...I'll just list these three:
* Eclipse [eclipse.org]
* KDevelop [kdevelop.org]
* Netbeans [netbeans.org]
Re:New logo? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Just do .... (Score:2, Informative)
Applications->System->Upgrade Manager
Click on upgrade distribution.
Done.
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:5, Informative)
What still is an issue is DVD encryption. Sadly DeCSS can't be legally obtained in the US. Much as I am opposed to software patents, some practical solution needs to be given, while we continue to struggle to change the patent system. Paying a few bucks for legal DVD playback in the US seems the only feasible option at this point, and Ubuntu should facilitate this somehow, if only by providing links to third parties that provide this service (e.g. Fluendo I believe were working on this).
Re:Has support from Dell and Novell (Score:1, Informative)
Definitely not comparative to VS.
release notes (Score:5, Informative)
The release notes for the beta version give a good overview of what you can expect:
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta [ubuntu.com]
With 3D desktop effects and NTFS write support enabled by default, and fast user switching and improved X configuration, this is one of the most significant Ubuntu releases in a while.
Seems very newbie friendly (Score:5, Informative)
After the few guided clicks to get that done, a reboot later and suddenly Compiz was also activated without any user actions needed. Hmm, so how do you configure those 3D effects then? No way we could find, but from reading an online computer magazine, we found out that the Compiz Config Settings Manager wasn't included. We installed that one, and it then integrated nicely into the Desktop Settings as a new "Custom effects" option. Why that one wasn't part of the distro by default is still unknown to us though. It seemed like an obvious choice to let the user customize the window effects?
Otherwise, I think Compiz didn't lag or anything even once when maximizing windows or rotating the desktop, etc, and this was on a laptop without a *that* hot graphics card. So we were impressed about how smooth the UI was. No interruptions from some service suddenly kicking in to work a bit like every user of Vista has no doubt grown used to take for granted by now with the SuperFetch, System Restore, Search Indexer etc services. They seem to kick in at the most inappropriate times -- not even when the computer is idle! Come on! Maybe Ubuntu's new desktop search indexer make it suffer too, but nothing we could see anyway.
After doing this, we unplugged the network card, and voila, it automatically discovered our WLAN. We didn't have to do anything, really.
So let's try open the (already mounted and ready) NTFS drive with Windows Vista on it? Oh, we can simply drag a file there now too -- cool! NTFS-3g apparently installed and ready.
We seemed to have to install Windows Media Audio support though and as we're still quite some Linux amateurs, we have still not got around that part as the work day is over. It's been fun experimenting though, and getting up to date with what a modern "desktop Linux" distro can offer. Looking at the feature list of Ubuntu 7.10 [ubuntu.com], and summing that one up with the new features of GNOME 2.20 [gnome.org] gives one a mighty impressive list of new features compared to just 6 months ago.
Linux desktop development (GNOME, KDE, desktop distros,
I have some pretty high demands of novice usability though, which makes me hesitate still as for some distros. E.g. SUSE Linux 10.3 had a few quirks on my home stationary computer. Its NVIDIA driver install having me to use the command prompt and special "SUSE for NVIDIA" instructions is unacceptable for amateur usage IMHO, although I finally got it done. It also even failed to install the distro to the hard drive the first time around, because it couldn't mount the SATA drive it had just formatted (??). A reboot, and then it could do it like it was no problem at all. *shrug* That also gave an early feeling of "still aimed for geeks" that I'd so much like it to see it move away from.
But back to Ubuntu 7.10 -- so far no problems here, and I was left with an excitement to play with it more after the day.
Re:So what's next? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Just do .... (Score:3, Informative)
Nope. The update-manager app can do it, and can be launched from menus. Further, if you have it looking for updates automatically it will tell you that you have something by showing up in the system tray, and offer you to click a button to upgrade to the new release if you care to.
That being said, being able to click a button somewhere to upgrade your operating system isn't much of a requirement for user-friendliness. If someone is very clumsy with computers, there's no harm in staying with 7.04. I've seen the Ubuntu community gladly help people running versions 2.5 years old. If it ain't broke, no need to fix it.
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:2, Informative)
You click yes, it does some quick downloads for you and off you go.
Seems painless to me. I would rather "pay" a few seconds of my time than $$ for bundling it the OS.
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:3, Informative)
Why is a Linux distribution only permitted to have GPL packages? There's nothing in the GPL that requires this (in fact, it goes so far as to state that it _isn't_ a condition).
The GPP's point was that he had to go and install extra software to get MP3 support; getting a non-free disc from Novell counts as installing extra software. The system doesn't have MP3 support out-of-the-box, and it cannot, until the MP3 patents expire.
Why is it not "out of the box", if that disc comes in the box with the software in the first place? And the process is integrated into the installation? When I installed SuSE, by the time it rebooted and brought my system up I had MP3 and MPEG compatible software installed. There's no _legal_ need even to have a separate disc, although SuSE does so for convenience (i.e., so that you can easily make a copy of the distribution without the non-free stuff). A similar result in a single disc distribution could be achieved with a script that made a copy of the disc with the non-free content stripped out.
I think the point is that this is a flaw of the distribution, not a necessary flaw. MPEG patent licenses aren't expensive. You could get discs to retailers with all this stuff included on them and retail them for less than $20. And they would have a significantly better "out of the box experience" for the user who wasn't experienced with Linux.
Re:Just do (n00b question).... (Score:5, Informative)
OK, you know how you are prompted to install updates from time to time, right? Usually for security or bug fixes or whatever?
This is essentially the same thing, except you're installing newer versions of packages rather than just ones with fixes applied to them. You won't need to edit or format partitions or anything like that. It's just another package update, really, but a BIG one that will take a long time, and which will occasionally ask you "do you want to replace such-and-such configuration file, which appears to have been altered, with the new one", and unless you recognize the file you'll just want to say "yes, I want the new one" to all of those.
Video drivers: not sure, but Gutsy prompts you to install restricted drivers with a little icon up by the clock (in Gnome, don't know about KDE). So, if the upgrade breaks your restricted video drivers (I suspect that it will, as I doubt that the Ubuntu folks feel comfortable including non-free drivers in a mostly-automated major update) then it should just prompt you to re-install them the first time you log in, after a reboot.
As for the resolution thing: if you manually edited any files (probably
If you did not manually edit a configuration file to get your resolution how you want it, then my advice is to either stick with what you have, or just give Gutsy a go and take the risk. It might mess it up, it might not. Probably not, in fact, but it's possible. In any case, the forums and IRC support will still be there if you need them, and should be able to help you get things back in order should the upgrade cause any breakage of any kind.
Re:Props to Shuttleworth (Score:5, Informative)
You forgot to describe what that 'humble benchmark' is, but in any case it depends on what your needs are. What do you feel is lacking?
You may need Photoshop, DRM or games, so you use XP.
I need 100% legal software on a low budget; a rock solid, cross-platform programming environment; audio routing across almost any 2 audio applications. I don't want to wait for minutes and minutes when searching for a file- I want it NOW. XP just doesn't cut it for me.
Interesting enough, more and more software that started out as Open Source software for Linux only is becoming available for XP. Do you use Firefox? Thunderbird? Gaim? Gimp? Audacity? Open office? Free software is becoming an increasingly realistic alternative to closed software.
If you like that philosophy, you may want to order in a free live CD and take it for a spin. It won't cost you anything- you won't even have to install anything.
Re:Have they made it any easier yet to encrypt you (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Feisty Doesn't Know (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Feisty Doesn't Know (Score:4, Informative)
Not true.
The -d flag gives you the latest development release - which will be newly unstable 8.04 any minute now. You may be able to cheat with the -d flag (and get 7.10) for a couple more hours, but in general update manager will automatically show a new distro version when it's ready - probably tomorrow.
Works great on my new laptop! (Score:5, Informative)
I'm very impressed. Wireless networking worked out-of-the-box. Battery support works out-of-the-box (if I remove the power cable, Ubuntu will switch to power saving mode just like Vista would; battery meter is shown by default). I can plug and unplug USB mouses at will. Partitioning the system is painless because it supports non-destructive NTFS resizing out-of-the-box. I have absolutely no idea why so many people are complaining about Linux laptop support.
Windows OGG support (Score:3, Informative)
I know you said "out of the box", but for those who are looking to add it (as I was a while ago for use at work), Ogg Vorbis support for Windows Media Player can be found here [vorbis.com].
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:2, Informative)
Pretty much every commercial distribution does this. Linspire/Lindows was pretty much founded on the idea of including licensed components.
You cannot make a Linux distro with non-redistributable code included in it, that is the point of the GPL.
The GPL only applies to individual programs, not entire Linux distributions. You could legally make a Linux distro with just the Linux kernel, and closed-source userspace.
Re:Just do .... (Score:3, Informative)
Trust me. Ubuntu is very noob friendly. I had to install windows on a machine the other night and I had forgotten just how long it takes and what a pain in the butt it is to install all those extra drivers from CD. Ubuntu is up and running in about 5 minutes. Easy. You should give it a go. You know you want to....
Re:IU Mirror (Score:2, Informative)
Re:So what's next? (Score:4, Informative)
Ubuntu Names Repository [tipotheday.com]
Bittorrent client (Score:4, Informative)
Sean
Also 3D... broken (Score:3, Informative)
Everything was working "almost" (as has always been the case with Linux for me) in my laptop with Ubuntu 7.04 (I had to press twice the wireless network button after turning on the computer, no suspend, USB keyboard does not work after hibernate resume, etc etc etc...),
After the upgrade, the wireless works very well (no need to press the button to deactivate and reactivate wireless) but now the 3D DRI rendering is not working...
Oh well... at least in my experience that is the way Linux has behaved in all my computers.
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:2, Informative)
I did not say this; I was not here.
Re:7.2Gbps via official torrents (Score:5, Informative)
No, it downloads from your usual update site -- which is almost certainly melted into a pool of slag on the datacenter floor right now.
If you want to update today, or even in the next few days, I'd suggest using a torrent to download the CD. Burn the CD and put it in the drive, then go to "System->Administer->Software Sources", click on the "Third-Party Software" tab, click the "Add CD-ROM" button. This should add the CD as a package source for you. Then when you do the upgrade, it should pull packages from there rather than from the update site (except when the update site has newer packages than the CD, or when you're updating packages that aren't on the CD, of course).
I expect that getting the CD image with bittorrent and then upgrading will be a lot faster than just doing a straight upgrade.
Re:Broadcom (Score:2, Informative)
For the record- despite hours and hours of tweaks and NDISWrapper suggestions from the Internet, I had never been able to get this card to work prior to now. I had just written off wireless access while running Ubuntu.
Now- works like a charm!
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:1, Informative)
Can somebody please mod this doofus down as flamebait? I refuse to believe anyone is genuinely this ignorant about the GPL.
Yeah, or Apple would be distributing GNU code with OS X, overtly, and just demanding that you not redistribute Apple's code. OH WAIT. THEY ALREADY DO THAT BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL.
Re:The summary contradicts itself (Score:2, Informative)
you asked for it... http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/exclusive-video-hasbro-tooth-tunes-mp3-toothbrush-210116.php [gizmodo.com]
Re:What? (Score:3, Informative)
btw MS has done something rather sneaky with vista and virtualisation, if you want to use KMS activation (which is an easier option for large deploments than MAK activation because individual machines don't have to contact MS and there is no need to request limit increases on your key) then you have to have at least 25 machines running vista direct on the hardware.
Re:PPC (Score:1, Informative)
Re:What? (Score:3, Informative)
Go to http://happypenguin.org [happypenguin.org] and look around.
Re:Ubuntu Server needs work. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Does it Support My Wi-Fi Adapter? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:7.2Gbps via official torrents (Score:5, Informative)
When you stick the CD in the drive it will ask if you want to upgrade and run the script to upgrade from the CD. Why make things harder for your self?
Re:Not LTS? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Works great on my new laptop! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Anybody tried this on VIA / UniChrome? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What? (Score:3, Informative)
It's because... (Score:3, Informative)
( * that's a lot of "maybes" because I don't know. I do know that last time I got the notification about 2 days after release )
While that means that you're not getting Gutsy the second it's released, does that really matter? This is not a security release: any essential updates will already (assuming you installed them) be applied to your Feisty install. As you've noticed if you want to update manually right away (and bugger the servers) you're quite welcome to do that.
On the Gutsy Apps vs. Feisty apps, doing what you suggest would mean either that copies of Feisty would gradually become Gutsy regardless of whether the owner of the system wanted to upgrade, or installing a pre-release version of the OS. Unfortunately this also means the chance of some breakage: that's the choice available. A release is not just some arbitrary point in time - fixes continue (on all packages) right up until that date. A lot of fixes will be worked back into Feisty (bugs for example) but it wouldn't make sense to keep adding features to an old release - that's what Gutsy is: Feisty plus new stuff.
Having said that it perhaps would be nice to be able to upgrade "stable" packages ahead of time / before general release. This would work for other in-release fixes too: some people are more comfortable with breakage than others. It would probably ease transition and bug fixing if things could be rolled out to these people first - but that's a whole bag of complexity for someone to fix.
Re:Does it Support My Wi-Fi Adapter? (Score:3, Informative)
here's one [newegg.com]. $16 and the reviews say it works with ubuntu fine.
this is not hard.
Re:7.2Gbps via official torrents (Score:1, Informative)
Re:In my opinion (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Works great on my new laptop! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)
"apt-cache search ipod" returns a nice list of programs, some of which are marked as command line:
python-gpod - a library to read and write songs and artwork to an iPod
gnupod-tools - command-line tools for the iPod family of portable music players
libipod-cil - CLI library for accessing iPods
Where are all the linux users that do a basic search of the documentation before whining on slashdot?