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Microsoft Bends To Norwegian Pressure 117

Martin writes "Microsoft has agreed to change the terms of its school agreement contract with Norwegian regional municipalities, following a complaint by Norwegian open-source software company Linpro to the Norwegian Competition Authority. Microsoft 'introduced two kinds of flexibility in the agreement, that were previously missing,' the head of the company's Norway operations said. One of these 'kinds of flexibility' involved Microsoft not getting paid a license fee for each Linux and Mac computer in schools."
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Microsoft Bends To Norwegian Pressure

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  • by badfish99 ( 826052 ) on Sunday June 17, 2007 @05:42AM (#19539411)
    It's not a fee for distributing OS/X; it's a fee per machine.

    The usual licensing terms that Microsoft force on OEMs are that Microsoft must be paid a fee per machine sold, regardless of whether it has Windows installed on it or not. Of course the idea of this is to encourage OEMs to install Windows on every machine they sell, because they can't make a saving from not doing so. If you try to negotiate a "per copy of Windows" price instead of a "per machine" price, the licensing cost goes up to the retail cost, which is deliberately inflated to make it uneconomic.
  • by MrMr ( 219533 ) on Sunday June 17, 2007 @06:32AM (#19539617)
    Enemies of the US are for instance:
    NATO Allies:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4 456801,00.html [guardian.co.uk]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire [wikipedia.org]
    Industrial competitors:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enercon [wikipedia.org]
    and Linux using flag burning commies that are trampling on the constitution of course...
    http://www.technewsworld.com/story/31975.html [technewsworld.com]

  • Re:Buyer beware (Score:5, Informative)

    by gnud ( 934243 ) on Sunday June 17, 2007 @06:53AM (#19539691)
    Heh. Even after two previews. Since our justice department is NOT bought, like yours.
  • by suv4x4 ( 956391 ) on Sunday June 17, 2007 @07:58AM (#19539893)
    As someone already pointed out, there is a per-machine fee charged by Microsoft, mainly due to the way licences are sold in volumes to OEMs (per machine, not per copy).
    It would be very interesting to see the implications of forcing Microsoft to move away from this kind of licensing, and present numbers based on the actual Windows copy installations instead of OEM per-machine licensing numbers. While it won't change the market much and the actual number of copies installed, the updated numbers could very well indicate a market share lower than 85% for Windows.
    Just my 2c. I might be horribly wrong :)


    Well of course Microsoft counts only sold Windows licenses actually leaving their premises (virtually speaking). To verify quickly from an independent source, let's check TheCounter's OS Stats for June 2007 [thecounter.com]. 86% for XP+2000, and 91% if you add NT and 98 in the mix. Sounds as if things match. TheCounter has been fairly reliable metric in for browser usage, that's based on what the browsers report they run on (the huge majority of installed browsers out there don't lie about their OS).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 17, 2007 @08:01AM (#19539909)

    Because Dell's Ubuntu machines are slightly cheaper than their Window's equivalents, last I heard. I don't think they would do that if they still had to pay per machine.

    Though I am sure a lot of OEMs get the per machine treatment.

    Microsoft has been specifically forbidden in the U.S. for doing per machine sold licenses as a result of losing one of the antitrust cases. I'm not sure about the bundling B.S..

  • Re:Schools (Score:4, Informative)

    by betterunixthanunix ( 980855 ) on Sunday June 17, 2007 @08:17AM (#19539991)
    [This views and opinions in this post are not necessarily reflective of the views and opinions of my employer]

    No, it has an impact on the opinion of those students about software. When I started working at Red Hat, the "non-technical" employees were given a brief, 2 hour tutorial in how to use GNOME and OOo. They must be doing all right, because as far as I know they are still employed. The reason is simple: schools don't teach people the details of how to use office suites. In high school, such things were not considered relevant to the curriculum, and in college, such things were expected to have been learned in high school. Microsoft knows that it is just a question of exposure, and the way people think about their computer. How often do you hear the word "powerpoint" used as a synonym for "presentation" or "slideshow?" I've heard people refer to a presentation created in OOo, in OpenDocument format, refer to it as a "powerpoint."

    Very few people even know how to use the features of MS Office that would necessitate some level of retraining in OOo. Very people even need those features -- most people just use a word processor (I know, everyone is queuing up the, "you obviously haven't been in the workplace very" comments, to which I reply: you obviously haven't been outside your line of work much) and a presentation creator. Spreadsheets are about the only thing where the incompatibility becomes noticeable, and even then, a 10 minute tutorial on where each button is would suffice for most people. The fact of the matter is, most people are not power users, and this is no more true today than it was 30 years ago. Most people just don't know about the powerful features their software offers them.

  • by Firethorn ( 177587 ) on Sunday June 17, 2007 @08:56AM (#19540217) Homepage Journal
    There's always the grocery store shelf possibility - Microsoft paid to have a big display.

    Otherwise, I haven't ever noticed them getting a lot of shelf space - in the stores I frequent it's usually one shelf, down at the bottom, that has Windows,WinPro, Office, and Office Pro. Around the beginning of the year there's a big display with MS Money and Quicken competing.
  • Not exactly. (Score:5, Informative)

    by khasim ( 1285 ) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Sunday June 17, 2007 @10:59AM (#19540911)
    There's no "sneaking" involved. It's clearly stated. EVERY machine you have MUST be counted when calculating the license fee.

    No matter what runs on that machine.

    Or how old it is.

    Or what it does.

    If you do not want to go with the Microsoft contract, you may purchase retail versions of Windows for each machine. And hope that you're fully compliant. Because the fines for piracy are far more than the cost of just paying Microsoft for every single box you have no matter what.
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday June 17, 2007 @12:22PM (#19541529)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

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