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Fedora? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Another issue, though, is that
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Installing MythTV on modern versions of Ubuntu is easy:
apt-get install mythtv-server mythtv-frontend
That's it, you're done*!
(* I assume; I run my clients and server on seperate machines and the server is still a few versions behind the Ubuntu curve)
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Re:Fedora? (Score:4, Insightful)
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What I love about Debian and therefore Ubuntu is
(* because so few things are available as part of a distro. Last time I checked the dif
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Core & Extras (the default setup repos), in Fedora not Redhat, currently have a little over 7,000 packages.
Plenty more if you enable livna or atrpms for patent-encumbered/restricted things.
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I had to edit a couple of lines in the LIRC config for the remote, but that was all.
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They have some decent support forums too, although unfortunately they're not open to the public (you have to register even to read, for reasons I don't quite get -- bandwidth, maybe). There should be a HOWTO in ther
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Both distros share the same philosophy with regards to packaging patent encumbered things like mp3 and DVD decoders in the main distro and repos. It is very simple on both of these to add them in post-install.
Fiesty does make it a bit easier, but to be fair Fedora 6 was released quite a bit earlier than fiesty, let's pass judgement next week when Fedora 7 is released.
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The attitude of not wanting to get sued?
Of course people just want something that works, but it's not the responsibility of Canonical or Redhat to pay for that, especially when you're already downloading the distro for free. And it's not like it's hard to get the codecs from places that aren't big supporters of software patents.
software is not a p
Computers have always been political. (Score:3, Insightful)
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Have to say that I wasn't a fan of the look-and-feel of the KnoppMyth setup last time I looked at it (for openers, I'm in the can't-stand-KDE camp...). It -IS- great to have a fantastic bootable-CD of this project.
Ordinarily this isn't a problem - don't like what your distro provides, install something else, right?
The thing is, you go for MythDora or Knoppix to pretty much have an appliance. You change something on your own, no telling how you'll get the box like you want it nex
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This should be good (Score:3, Funny)
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For FC6 just install the livna rpm's like this:
# rpm -Uhv http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-6.rpm [livna.org]
# rpm --import http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY [livna.org]
and enjoy the benefits of all the grey packages delivered via yum. Personally, I like the Fedora approach of giving totally free products a boost.
The main benefit of Fedora over over Ubuntu is the actively maintained Fedora Extra's. These are generally updated as soon as the upst
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Anybody wanting to install a user friendly Linux distro doesn't know what a "Linux distro" is and doesn't want to learn. They'll install whatever their buddy hands them. (Then, most likely, give up and go back to Windows after a few days.)
By the time you start talking about distros, much less "dependancies," you're way beyond the user friendly stage.
Knoppmyth vs MythDora (Score:2)
Re:Knoppmyth vs MythDora (Score:5, Informative)
KnoppMyth was way too over my head. I'm certain that it was my inability to grasp knoppix that was the problem. User problem to be sure, but if that counts as an issue... Knoppix did do great with lirc and my remote right out of the box, a sore spot for me with the other distros I used.
Whereas KnoppMyth felt like swimming in a ocean of misunderstanding, MythDora felt like death by a thousand cuts. It was pretty, but I kept feeling like I ran into hurdles over... and over.. and over. I used Jared's guide, but like all things, the book can only take you so far..
I ended up throwing Feisty on my HTPC and loading up a full backend/frontend/desktop. Biggest problems were my Avermedia A180 (DVB issues) and lirc. The level of user generated documentation with Ubuntu made the difference for me.
Feel free to disagree with me. I can't defend any of this with anything more than my personal experience.
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Re:Knoppmyth vs MythDora (Score:4, Interesting)
Regards,
Cecil
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Also, last time I tried, changing your zip code/postal code was broken if you put in a Canadian postal code (They go like this X0X 0X0). That was about a year ago though.
And dealing with things like two IR outputs + one IR input using different methods with LIRC would be nice. As it stands I had to compile LIRC by hand with differing module names to d
Re:Knoppmyth vs MythDora (Score:5, Interesting)
In terms of MythTV related issues... Those are MythTV issues and not KnoppMyth specific. Ironically, one of the areas we try and make it easier for users is in MythWeather. Your zipcode is automatically retrieved from the db and entered for you.
I don't ever recall reading or hearing about issues w/ multiple LIRC. When issues like this occur, if you want to see it fixed in a future release, you should bring it to my attention of the forum or via PM or email. The development team isn't very large. We don't have all the hardware that is out there. Even our testers may not have the hardware you have. So, if you want to see something fixed, the best way to bring it to our attention and provide details. Same thing goes if you fix an issue. Provide details and ask to test.
Thanks for the feedback.
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Cecil
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If only people would RTFM.... But I digress. More work is due on the pamphlet, I've just been busy with my professional life.
Cecil, you are living in a dream world. Most people don't RTFM. Even when asked. Even if it brought world peace, turned lead into gold and allowed cars to run on water.
Easy to use means not having to open the manual, that the screen tells you everything you need to know, such that a 5 year old can learn to use it. It is this very familiarity that keeps Windows on top, because it is what people know. Linux has to fight this mentality. It is a shame that so many Linux enthusiasts don't understand t
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When KnoppMyth was first introduced, the manual was sparse. The pamphlet now stands at about 40 pages. Now, the reason that came about is because people asked specifics and I wanted to provided a great understanding of the different parts of KnoppMyth.
Frankly, I think the attitude of not reading or not wanting to read is
Re:Knoppmyth vs MythDora (Score:4, Interesting)
I've run MythTV since 0.14 on Knoppmyth [mysettopbox.tv] and Fedora -- starting with FC3.
When I started, Knoppmyth was way over my head -- particularly the finishing touches to get everything running properly. It was my first real hands-dirty experience with Linux and I appreciated for all I learned. I did did manage to get an ancient K6-3D system running Knoppmyth -- not well enough to put in my livingroom, but well enough to prove the concept and that it was worth the time and effort to build a new system on more capable hardware.
My second system was a P3 700 built on FC3 following Jarod Wilson's definitive guide [wilsonet.com], mainly because I felt that following the guide to transform a generic install into a MythTV appliance would teach me a lot about what the Myth components were, how they all fit together, how to make them all fit together in Linux, and what to do when something went wrong. I was right.
I built a third machine (my current master beckend/frontend) on FC4 also following Jarod's guide but this time on a P4 2.5 machine.
By this time I was ready to start adding FE capabilities, but I already knew the process of installation, knew about the components and dependencies, and no longer felt the need for yumming or smarting in kernel modules and so on. I used Knoppmyth to turn my old P3 700 former-backend into a frontend.
This setup worked well through several upgrades -- FC on the backend, Knoppmyth on the frontend with the only caveat being that both machines have to be running the same version of Myth. Upgrade one, you have to upgrade the other.
Even though this was about two years ago, the Knoppmyth install was easy and painless, and I was prepared to deal with irregularities like tweaking xorg.conf. I also really appreciated that the Knoppmyth CD would let you run a frontend off the CD -- allowing you to instantly test hardware without touching the drive.
Last weekend, I finally retired the P3. It's currently on holiday, but will soon return to service as a file server. Instead I built a new frontend on an Athlon 64 4000.
I decided to give Mythdora a whirl since I know it's been under heavy development including the involvement of Jarod. I was really impressed with how smoothly and quickly the installation went, including post-install scripts to handle things like IR hardware and binary nvidia drivers (I know, I know, but the binary driver really works better for Myth than the Free one). I went from having a pile of boxes at 4 pm to a working Mythtv system at 9:30. It might have been quicker but I had to run to the shop when I ran out of beer.
I didn't try a Knoppmyth install on this hardware, but have no doubt that it would have gone just as smoothly. Cecil deserves a lot of respect and credit for the fantastic job he has done with Knoppmyth over the years.
Of course I did have quite a bit of Myth-specific experience behind me and knew from the start to buy hardware that was rock-solid compatible -- like an nforce board, nvidia gfx card, turtle beach sound card, on-board 10/100 LAN, etc.
The point is that by last weekend I was a lot more familiar with Fedora than with Debian, so I was really happy to be able to so painlessly migrate my FE to Fedora. I have no doubt that those more familiar with Debian will be just as happy with what Cecil has done in Knoppix.
And more than anything, lot of credit is owed to the folks behind MythTV -- from Isaac Richards, the original creator, and all the key developers, to folks like Jarod, Cecil, and Dennis for enormous contributions in making Myth more accessible, to all the numerous active and helpful folks on the mailing list. They've made MythTV into a product that truly is a world-beater -- by far the most powerful, most flexible, most extensible, and downright most pleasurable media engine on the planet.
Here's looking to 0.21.
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PS3? (Score:5, Interesting)
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The best one I have found, albeit quite a bit more expensive, is the Mac Mini. It rans a full Myth Frontend app, with full support for HD video and surround sound.
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But, it doesn't support HD playback. The problem is not CPU power, it's video hardware. Linux runs in a VM on the PS3, which does not offer virtualized accelerated video playback, so it cannot do HD. If Sony ever improves the video support for Linux, the PS3 would make an excellent frontend.
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Sony won't be improving Linux's video support, but rather it's up to us to port apps to the parall
Fedora Myth(TV)ology (Score:5, Informative)
Should tell people what Mythdora and MythTV is. (Score:2, Insightful)
This should not have been the first sentence on the first page: "The new and much improved MythDora 4.0 is finally ready. As you will see, things have improved greatly."
However, other than that it is looking excellent, for people who have a lot of background knowledge.
Does Myth have Bayesian content selection yet? (Score:2)
Tivo was great, but it's no longer available in the UK and my hardware's been disassembled and the big drives recycled.
MythTV woes (Score:2)
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Oh, damn, right...first rule of usenet. Sorry.
Just like..... (Score:2, Informative)
I only hope that Mythdora has a better group of maintainers than knoppmyth does. the releases are incredibly far apart and honestly get's out of date quick for hardware issues.
Another thing I hope it supports out of the box is the Microsoft MCE remote and MCE keyboard. as those are hands down the best remote designed for a media center. every time I use Knoppmyth I haveto spend 1 hour hacking in support for those two devices as well as updating xmltv to the recent build and fixing the ivtv driv
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Overrated (Score:4, Funny)
Whats with the Fedora Bashing? (Score:2)
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well that was useless (Score:2)
Re:Noob questions... (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes it's a shameless plug, but when you throw up a softball like this I just have take a swing at it.
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Card Choice; IR (Score:2)
I took the easy way when it came to installing a remote. I use a compact Infrared keyboard I had on hand. There is mapping between letters and arrows and various remote functions.
- You can't go wrong with a Happauge* PVR-x50. I bought a PVR-150 from a local supplier for under $80. It was way easy to set up. It doesn't have a TV out, so I bought a cheap card with an NVIDIA chipset.
I used the Fedora MythTV project procedure and
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Regards,