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New Ubuntu Project Code Named 'Gutsy Gibbon' 124

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Go2Linux writes "The code name for the new Ubuntu project that is going to be release this October is Gutsy Gibbon, It was introduced by Mark Shuttleworth, early today, this release will come full composite as default, according to Mark."
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New Ubuntu Project Code Named 'Gutsy Gibbon'

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  • by Simon80 (874052) on Friday April 13, 2007 @03:37AM (#18715249)
    Here's the actual mailing list posting: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-ann ounce/2007-April/000276.html [ubuntu.com]
    • Re: (Score:1, Offtopic)

      by choongiri (840652)
      Oh that's simple. go2linux wouldn't get any advertising revenue by slashvertising their site if they linked to the actual post in a mailman archive. Of course, I could be wrong, and go2linux may be intending to donate today's advertising income to support their favourite FLOSS project, but somehow I doubt it.
    • by Adhemar (679794) on Friday April 13, 2007 @04:09AM (#18715413)

      The ex-Ximian part of Novell consistently used/uses monkeys and monkey-related project names (Bonobo, Mono, Evolution, etc). I wonder if there is, consciencely or unconsciencely, some message to the Novell folks: the monkey-named version is after all going to be the first version with an official Gnewsense-like flavour:

      The Glossy Gnu will nonetheless play a role in this next release, because Ubuntu 7.10 will feature a new flavour - as yet unnamed - which takes an ultra-orthodox view of licensing: no firmware, drivers, imagery, sounds, applications, or other content which do not include full source materials and come with full rights of modification, remixing and redistribution. There should be no more conservative home, for those who demand a super-strict interpretation of the "free" in free software. This work will be done in collaboration with the folks behind Gnewsense.

      I know I'm probably looking way too deep into something as playful as a name choice. The thought just occured.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        Okay. I hope I'll find the USABLE .iso when it will come out, the one that Just Works, OOTB, Zero Conf', includes the nVidia driver, mp3 player (MAD, please, lest I burn mine ears), support for all video formats in all the players, configured right - that is, no "-vo not valid" in mplayer or "can't load wmdmod.dll" in xine.

        The day when Ubuntu will be THAT easy then it will be ready for the desktop.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by miscz (888242)
          You can try Linux Mint [linuxmint.com], Ubuntu-based non-free distro.
        • by Knuckles (8964)
          the one that Just Works, OOTB, Zero Conf', includes the nVidia driver, mp3 player (MAD, please, lest I burn mine ears), support for all video formats in all the players, configured right - that is, no "-vo not valid" in mplayer or "can't load wmdmod.dll" in xine.
          • OOTB? "Out of the Blue"? Sorry,cannot help here.
          • Zeroconf: yup [launchpad.net]
          • nVidia: yup [launchpad.net]. Note: the nVidia driver was always included in Ubuntu, it was just not totally foolproof to enable it. Now it is.
          • mp3: yup [launchpad.net]
          • Video formats: yup [launchpad.net]. Note: not in all the players,
      • by Aix (218662) on Friday April 13, 2007 @07:51AM (#18716523) Homepage
        Just so you know, neither the gibbon nor the bonobo is actually a monkey. They are apes.
      • From that description, I think that it would be better named "Harsh Hairshirt".
      • by drinkypoo (153816)

        I know I'm probably looking way too deep into something as playful as a name choice. The thought just occured.

        If they don't name the new flavor GNUbuntu, I'm going to be pissed.

        GNU/buntu would also be acceptable, and people in the target market for that product would probably even get the joke.

    • Not only that but it has an actual release date for 7.04
      • by J0nne (924579)

        Not only that but it has an actual release date for 7.04

        That release dat has been out for a while now...
        • I was too lazy too look for it.
          • You don't really have to look for it. The scheduled releases are (almost) always every 6 months [wikipedia.org]... in either April or October.The only exception I know of has been dapper... which got delayed until June of 2006. But edgy picked back up on the October release schedule. (The 6 month schedule is based on the Gnome release schedule).
  • wtf is composite? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SharpFang (651121) on Friday April 13, 2007 @03:43AM (#18715275) Homepage Journal
    I tried to RTFA but no info, and Google won't be much of help with a common word like that.
    • Re:wtf is composite? (Score:5, Informative)

      by BlackPignouf (1017012) on Friday April 13, 2007 @03:53AM (#18715329)
      Try Compiz(http://compiz.org/), Beryl(http://beryl-project.org/), compositing manager (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_manager) or compositing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing)!
    • Re:wtf is composite? (Score:5, Informative)

      by complete loony (663508) <Jeremy.LakemanNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday April 13, 2007 @03:53AM (#18715331)
      Using the 3D capabilities of your graphics card to render your desktop.
    • Re:wtf is composite? (Score:4, Informative)

      by choongiri (840652) on Friday April 13, 2007 @03:54AM (#18715341) Homepage Journal
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by robthebob (742982)
      Have a google for Beryl/Compiz. That'll get you on the right track.
    • by ban (31369)
      Wobbly Windows(TM) and other useful features...
      http://compiz.org/ [compiz.org]
      http://beryl-project.org/ [beryl-project.org]
    • Re:wtf is composite? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by LarsWestergren (9033) on Friday April 13, 2007 @04:27AM (#18715521) Homepage Journal
      If you like me have been confused about stuff like DRI, Mesa, GLX Extensions and so on in logs and conf files when trying to get OpenGL drivers working under Linux, I recommend How Xgl works [homelinux.net].
      • XLG? I have been beginning to think that the graphics component to presenting information has been like the unwanted child. It would be nice to see a more graphical solution to the Desk Top Manager. I just had this vision of the movie, "A Night At The Museum" [wikipedia.org] for a design solution; Now THAT would be a Desk Top Manager. I just wish I knew how to make a desk top manager like that!
    • Re:wtf is composite? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Eivind (15695) <eivindorama@gmail.com> on Friday April 13, 2007 @06:01AM (#18715899) Homepage
      The quick explanation (somewhat oversimplified, but you get the idea)

      In a traditional (non-compositing) windowing-environment, each application essentially handles its own part of the screen, when, for example, a part of firefox previously hidden behind an xterm get unobscured, firefox is informed of this fact, and is responsible for redrawing that part of its own window.

      In a compositing system, instead each program draw on their own private separate area. All these areas are then sent to the compositing manager which makes the overall screen by combining these in various ways.

      There's advantages. First, it simplifies things for the programs, since they can pretend they're always alone on the screen. Secondly, it makes it possible to unify visual tricks. Without composition, for example, each and every program that wants to support stuff like being transparent, or animating their appearance, or being transparent only while being dragged or any other of a million visible tricks need to implement this independent of eachother.

      With composition, the compositing window-manager can handle all of that, and the programs won't even notice. So it improves consistency by making the same visual options work identically in *all* programs.

      • There's advantages. First, it simplifies things for the programs, since they can pretend they're always alone on the screen.

        It seems the drawback to this would be an application busily (re)drawing itself when it is not visible. The (re)drawing takes CPU time, yet the result is not even visible to the user (who might even have minimized or hidden the window precisely to save it from redrawing.) Does GG avoid this?
        • by p0tat03 (985078)

          It doesn't have to. The OS X window manager does notification for redraw, it's just that you as the application do not have to worry about the details of a redraw like occlusion, clipping, and transparency - just that you have to redraw.

          It also gives the OS a lot of leeway for cool tricks, like OS X and Expose, where it can do thumbnails of each window.

        • by Eivind (15695)
          Frankly, I don't know. There's no reason the compositer couldn't tell the program "you are now hidden", so the program will stop wasting time on un-needed redraw. The drawback to this would be if you do something that quickly exposes the program, the compositer will need to do:
          • Tell program "you're not hidden anymore"
          • Wait for program to redraw itself
          • Composite and display

          Rather than just the 3rd alternative alone otherwise.

          Normally this wouldn't matter, but in some cases it would. If you've run many

    • You should check out the tons of videos posted on YouTube with videos showing off various features possible with a compositing desktop.

      From my own videos that I put up months ago for fun, I am still getting people messaging me asking me how they can set up their system like mine (which I put up to annoy my girlf) :) Sometimes they are Windows users asking me what software they need to install...

      I use Beryl (svn 4453) everyday at work to do development. To be honest, I really only just use the Expose-clone (
      • From my own videos that I put up months ago for fun, I am still getting people messaging me asking me how they can set up their system like mine (which I put up to annoy my girlf)
        So what annoys your girlfriend more? Posting videos of your desktop to youtube, or referring to her as your 'girlf'? :)
    • It's the alternative to RGB mode on the Tandy CoCo 3?
    • It's pointless, wasteful eye candy for kids who think that the desktop experience should be more like a video game.
  • by Andrew Tanenbaum (896883) on Friday April 13, 2007 @03:44AM (#18715279)
    which seems to be "Spend Mark Shuttleworth's Money". I'm sure we're all enjoying the free (as in beer, if I must) ride.
    • Well, it takes money to make money. And it is not as he was out there, spending his money on flimsy things like space travels, or something like that. Oh, wait! [wikipedia.org], he already did that. But, with a name like Shuttle worth, I would too, just for the sake of the pun.

      Anyway, if he believes [com.com] that he will eventually make Canonical profitable [com.com], it is money well spent.
  • Better than Gibbon Guts I suppose.
  • by aldeng (804728) on Friday April 13, 2007 @03:53AM (#18715339)
    I vote for Horny Hedgehog. Or Horny Hyrax [wikipedia.org]. Anything Horny, really.
  • by aarmenaa (712174) on Friday April 13, 2007 @03:55AM (#18715353) Journal
    I recently installed 6.10 (Edgy Eft) on my laptop, and I'm fairly surprised. The only things that didn't work right from the start were the digitizer (it's a tablet PC), and my USB wireless dongle. The digitizer isn't plug-and-play or anything like that, but the USB dongle is more of a mystery - it's claims Linux support, and it's even detected, but the included driver appears to be broken. The driver the manufacturer provides doesn't support anything in the standard manner (as far as WPA and various encryption stuff goes), so I'm using ndiswrapper for it right now. It works, but still won't work in encrypted modes. It uses a Ralink RT73 chipset, btw.

    But hey, it got the old internal wireless card perfectly. It only supports WEP though. It also got the video card (and I can change resolutions in an applet!), sound card, USB hubs, my external USB DVD-RW (and it hotplugs!), and so on. It'll even hotplug the USB wireless dongle, with ndiswrapper - I full expected that to not work. So we're not getting 100% success, but it's entirely possible that you could install Linux and never touch a config file. That's how you do desktop.

    Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain. I tried Network-Manager (a Gnome applet) and it did all kinds of bad stuff to my system (loopback never came up), and didn't help me connect to encrypted networks at all. But, they're working on it. If this is the worst complaint I can muster, we've come a long way.
    • I had a similar problem with a Dlink USB dongle which was also RT73, the problem was that that the driver simply didn't know about this particular dongle, so I had to define it in a header file (fairly simple).
      Download this [ralinktech.com.tw] and add your dongle in rtmp_def.h (at the bottom of the file) and compile. You can find the identifier for your dongle with lsusb.
      • by aarmenaa (712174)
        Thanks for the suggestion, but the driver will detect the dongle fine. It's actually an issue of "there just ain't a good driver." The driver that ships with Ubuntu 6.10 is an old, busted version of the open-source driver [serialmonkey.com]. I could just upgrade the driver, but it's only available through CVS. I'm not a developer, and know very little about CVS. It doesn't help that versions after December 2006 apparently have known issues, so you have pull from an older date in the CVS repository - I've got no idea how
    • by Knuckles (8964)
      Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain. I tried Network-Manager (a Gnome applet) and it did all kinds of bad stuff to my system (loopback never came up), and didn't help me connect to encrypted networks at all. But, they're working on it.

      network-manager will be fully integrated in 7.04 (Feisty), see the spec here [launchpad.net].
      Until then (while on 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier), see instructions here [ubuntu.com]
      • by aarmenaa (712174)
        The relevant instructions on the page:

        1. Applications, Add/Remove Programs 2. Find Network Manager in the Internet section 3. Check the adjacent box to select Network Manager for installation 4. Click OK 5. Log out and back in again 6. If you don't see the Network Manager icon you may need to add the Notification Area to your panel

        Now, I used Synaptic, not the "Add-Remove Programs" thing, but I don't see anything that says I should need to config

        • by WaZiX (766733)
          for l0, just go into /etc/network/interfaces and add the following lines:

          auto lo
          iface lo inet loopback

          You might need to restart dbus: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart

          If that fails, just come by in #ubuntu on freenode, someone will gladly help.
          • by aarmenaa (712174)
            I never saw mine without those lines, so they were definitely there. I have since formatted and have a completely stock Ubuntu 6.10 (edgy) install here (so no Network-Manager), and those lines are definitely present already. The same lines also exist for eth0 (the wired interface), except it says "dhcp" instead of "loopback," obviously. I'll probably drop by the IRC channel sometime this weekend and see what can be done, though.
            • by WaZiX (766733)
              yes, but in order for Network manager to take over the administration of your eth or wlan, you need to disable them (comment them out or delete the lines) in /etc/network/interfaces , so last time you installed network-manager, you (consciously or not) might have removed the needed lines... In the future, pass by #ubuntu before reinstalling everything, might save you some time ;-).
              • by aarmenaa (712174)
                If I'm understanding your correctly, I need to delete all the "auto" and "iface" lines for interfaces I want Network-Manager to control? If so, I haven't seen that documented anywhere, at least not in a form that I understood. Then again a lot of the instructions for wireless stuff is extremely esoteric to me and I may have missed it. Luckily, the formatting was related to driver for my wireless card, which is another issue altogether (I can't seem to blacklist rt73usb after upgrading to 7.10 beta [feist
                • by WaZiX (766733)
                  no, you need to comment out all interfaces except lo, lo being the two lines I showed you. So your interfaces file should only contain the two lines that relate to your lo interface.
                • by Knuckles (8964)
                  If I'm understanding your correctly, I need to delete all the "auto" and "iface" lines for interfaces I want Network-Manager to control? If so, I haven't seen that documented anywhere, at least not in a form that I understood.

                  The instructions might not be totally foolproof, but IMHO it is all there. Quoting from the site I linked to (3rd section) for your convenience:

                  Configuring Devices
                  Any already configured devices that you want to be available in Network Manager will need to de-configured, as otherwise t

                  • by aarmenaa (712174)
                    I see; somewhere along the way I got it though my head that the "auto" lines where what Network-Manager used to determine control. This actually makes more sense. It still doesn't explain why lo wouldn't come up (since I never touch those lines), but I'd bet that it's related to me mutilating that file.
        • by Knuckles (8964)
          The relevant instructions on the page regarding lo are this,

          backup and then edit the /etc/network/interfaces file to remove the configuration of these devices (except for lo which is needed for the loopback interface). (...) For example, if you wanted Network Manager to be able to control all of your devices, your /etc/network/interfaces file would look somewhat like the following:

          auto lo
          iface lo inet loopback

          That said, yeah, it is not yet completely done.

    • by Ash-Fox (726320)

      It uses a Ralink RT73 chipset

      Next time, try to get a Atheros chipset, those work out of the box immediately. According to the documentation [ubuntu.com] for your wireless card, theres quite a bit of manual labor in involved if it's not supported out of the box.

      Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain.

      More information?

      • by aarmenaa (712174)
        I love that page, it's one of the first pages I found when using Google to get help with this card. And of course the one part that would help me actually made me laugh out loud:

        4.1.3. WPA info Enter anything related to getting WPA to work (see WEP above)

        That's the entire section. Awesome. Anyways. They also go over installing a new driver, the one that Ralink made for the chipset. The problem is, it does not support the Linux Wireless Extensions, which you need for wpasupplicant, xsupplicant, an

        • by daff2k (689551)

          Frankly, I bought this card because it advertised it's Linux compatibility. If I had known the actual extent of it's "compatibility" (no Linux Wireless Extension support), I would have given it a pass.

          Sadly, just because the manufacturer says it's "Linux-compatible" doesn't make it so. Write some half-assed driver for the card, pack it together with some half-assed configuration program an label it "compatible". Bah.

          Shopping for hardware is one of the most tedious tasks for any Linux user, especially when it comes to wireless cards. I've searched my ass off quite a few times in the past years and found http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_hostif.php [passys.nl] very helpful recently. I mostly try to go for an Athe

    • I've been running Fiesty (Ubuntu 7.04) nightlies for the last 6-8 weeks or so. Edgy never worked on my desktop (hand on shutdown or reboot-I forget which). Fiesty is a dream to work with compared to Dapper (6.06). Automatic installation of nvidia drivers with updates with new kernel versions. Automatic installation of codecs when you try to play a media file. Everything just works.

      Now I'm just looking for an easy way to rip DVDs to iPod video format and sync them to my iPod. (Amarok works great with th
  • by jkrise (535370) on Friday April 13, 2007 @04:22AM (#18715497) Journal
    Just so we compare apples to apples... considering the bloated h/w needs for Vista, and considering it comes form the 800lb gorilla.. Greedy Gorilla sounds very 'apt'.

    I think Vista articles on Slashdot must come with a Greedy Gorilla icon... given that we're seeing several articles a week already.
    • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      or the evil monkey from family guy ;)
    • by AJWM (19027)
      I think Vista articles on Slashdot must come with a Greedy Gorilla icon..

      Would you settle for a picture of Steve Ballmer?
    • by Markspark (969445)
      Why not just put a picture of Steve Ballmer? he's a greedy monkeyboy..
  • My friends... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Psychotria (953670)
    ... already think I am crazy. Think of the uproar when I tell them I playing with the gusty gibbon.

    • but i read it as guSTy at first.

      maybe something to do with its guts is making it gusty?
    • by quixote9 (999874)
      Yeah. That worries me too. The future doesn't look much brighter either. The Buntus have already had a "Hoary Hedgehog" release. So this next one will be, what? Hyper? Looking down the line, I see Impish Iguana, Jaunty Jellyfish, Keen Katydid, Lucid Loon, and God only knows what further blows to my self-image. My lifelong quest for respectability, which started after all the kids on the playground laughed at my pocket protector, will go forever unfulfilled.
  • by alexo (9335) on Friday April 13, 2007 @07:20AM (#18716289) Journal
    Sources indicated that, in accordance with the theme, the next project will be named Busty Baboon.
    • No, H is next - I vote for half-wit hippo. Whoops, that would be Vista. Better skip it and go straight to Intellectual Ibid.
    • Sources indicated that, in accordance with the theme, the next project will be named Busty Baboon.


      Actually, "Alliterating Apes" accepted before that.
  • ...Giddy Golpher!
  • Splog (Score:3, Informative)

    by Bogtha (906264) on Friday April 13, 2007 @11:00AM (#18718549)

    It was introduced by Mark Shuttleworth, early today, this release will come full composite as default, according to Mark."

    How on earth do you get that, when what he actually said was:

    On a personal note, the monkey on my back has been composite-by-default, which I had hoped would happen in Edgy, then Feisty. I'm nervous to predict it now for Gutsy, for fear of a third strike, but I'm told that great work is being done in the Compiz/Beryl community and upstream in X. There's a reasonable chance that Gutsy will deliver where those others have not.

    Wow, Go2Linux really did well with this. They copy & pasted the email and the release schedule, they added a totally incorrect summary, submitted their own story to Slashdot, and got onto the front page. It's almost as if Slashdot is trying to reward incompetence.

  • Feisty Fawn, Gutsy Gibbon, ... So what are they going to call the one after Zaftig Zebra? (Consider the code bloat by then.)

    Perhaps they'll strip it down and go with Anorexic Aardvark.
    • by drinkypoo (153816)
      Normally [A-Z] is followed by [A-Z][A-Z]. e.g. Windows' next drive after Z: is AA:. I propose they simply extend the alliteration and move to three-word names, like Asthmatic Anorexic Aardvark, Blithering Blistered Baboon, and so on.
    • Well, in the collating sequence used by Swedish, the letter after Z is Å. The character Å is a word in Swedish meaning "small stream", and is also used to denote the Angstrom (0.1 nm).

      So, the Ubuntu following Zany Zebra would be "Å Å", for a 1 Angstrom sized stream. It is pronounced, approximately, "oh, oh" with a Swedish accent.
  • ...this release will come full composite as default, according to Mark.

    Actually, if you read the letter, Mark Shuttleworth does not say that Gibbons is going to be fully composited. He only says that he would like for it to be, but whether or not it is, depends on where the technology is at in 6 months. In fact, he only mentions it in a small paragraph at the end, and most of the letter is spent talking about the new, completely free version of Ubuntu that they are making in collaboration with gNewSens
  • I keep reading it as "Composted" not "Composited". I was thinking, there's something to be proud of, eco-friendly and disgusting.
  • Sometimes I wish Linux developers would drop the whole "new release every X months" model and start putting more effort into the individual versions. Case in point? Edgy Eft and sound. Lots of people are having a really hard time getting Creative sound cards to work, and the main solution requires compiling your own drivers (which is acceptable in Linux but not if it is to be mainstream) and possilby reinstalling Gnome or KDE. I know it isn't the developers responsibility to write drivers, but why is it
    • Then Ubuntu isn't your thing. Try taking a look at Debian - they took a bloody long time for the latest release. Ubuntu is simply one flavor - there's plenty of others. Thats the beauty of open-source: choice.
      • by RockoTDF (1042780)
        I'm going to see how Feisty Fawn is and then probably switch to Debian if I'm not satisfied. Ubuntu has been great since I started using it last year, but this whole sound thing in 6.1 is such a horrendous oversight that it makes Canonical look downright apathetic.
  • this is just a cover for the REAL name, "Farting Monkey".
  • Goatse Gibbon? Say it ain't so!
  • I really think it should instead be called Ginger Gerbil.
  • composite by default? Mark Shuttleworth never said that. He actually said he doesn't want to because it hasn't worked out twice already. The more I read slashdot the more I realize how dumb [almost] everyone here really is.

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