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Two Major Debian Releases In One Day 189

Posted by kdawson
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AndyCater writes "If all goes according to plan, Debian should release both an update to Debian Sarge (3.1r6, henceforth to be oldstable) and a new stable release (Debian 4.0, which was codenamed Etch) — and announce the results of the election for Debian Project Leader — all within 12 hours. Sarge was updated late on April 7th UTC, Sam Hocevar was announced as DPL at about 00:30 UTC, and preparations for the release of Debian Etch are ongoing and look good for later on the 8th."
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Two Major Debian Releases In One Day

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  • Great News (Score:5, Informative)

    by dracocat (554744) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:30AM (#18653393)
    Seriously, this is very good news for us.

    This means we can finally start buying new Dell Servers again, instead of relying on ebay to obtain servers that had hard disks compatible with the stable release of debian. For the past two years, Dell had been phasing in new Sata drivers that sarge just refused to work with, but that etch has had no problems with. Hurray! Any chance of an upgrade path so we don't have to support both sarge AND etch?
  • by timecop (16217) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:30AM (#18653399) Homepage
    Sam Hocevar [zoy.org] won the Debian Project Leader election by 8 votes over Steve McIntyre
  • by timecop (16217) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:33AM (#18653409) Homepage
  • Re:Sources please? (Score:2, Informative)

    by jeffreymsmith (579150) <geek@jeffsTEAmith.us minus caffeine> on Sunday April 08, 2007 @03:24AM (#18653613) Homepage Journal
    See the draft etch release timeline [debian.org]. Looks like the release should be Sunday/Mondayish.
  • Re:Great News (Score:3, Informative)

    by Exter-C (310390) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @03:54AM (#18653699) Homepage
    Actually you can always use these images which include a backported kernel. They work well http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ [kmuto.jp] with opensource being opensource you can easily just make your own kernels and build it all up no problems.
  • Re:Great News (Score:5, Informative)

    by pedestrian crossing (802349) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @03:58AM (#18653709) Homepage Journal

    Testing ran fine, but what do I do now? Do I have to do anything special to stay on Debian Etch, I mean 4.0? Or is such a thing not possible.

    It depends on your /etc/apt/sources.list.

    Each line will either end with the word "Etch" or "Testing".

    If it ends with Etch, then you will stay with Etch (Stable).

    If it ends with Testing, then you will start getting the new Testing packages.

    Probably the best thing to do is to stay with Etch for a couple of months while the new Testing settles down, then dist-upgrade back to Testing.

  • Re:TWO! in one day? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Krunch (704330) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @04:13AM (#18653769) Homepage
    Actually, the release was to be announced on April 1st but it has been delayed (again).
    http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007 /03/msg00023.html [debian.org]
  • Re:Great News (Score:5, Informative)

    by pedestrian crossing (802349) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @04:33AM (#18653839) Homepage Journal

    The reason I suggested staying with Etch for a little while is that there is likely to be some breakage in Testing as the backlog of Unstable updates move into Testing. For newbies (like the GP), this can be disconcerting.

    If it's only a couple of months, the dist-upgrade back to testing isn't likely to be too big of a deal. I think Testing is the sweet-spot for the desktop, so it makes sense to be there, but Testing can be a little unstable immediately after a release.

  • by advocate_one (662832) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @05:12AM (#18653969)
    I can't find anything on the Debian site itself...
  • by BJH (11355) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @05:32AM (#18654007)
    You're misunderstanding the purpose of testing - it's there to help stable be stable, not to help sid be more.. um... unstable.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08, 2007 @06:20AM (#18654143)
    Some explanations about how to count:

    The official release-critical bug tracker[1] is still not updated to handle "versioned bug-reports". Meaning it counts _all_ open bug reports, while in reality the bug might be "closed" in the _version_ of the package in Etch but the entire bug in not closed (because it still effects Sarge and older?). So the official sources are a bit misleading.
    A debian developer called "Sesse" has an updated tracker[2]. This one gives a bit better indication about the truth. Hopefully his code will be moved over to become the official version.
    As also previously mentioned, Andreas "aba" Barth has his own bug tracking tool[3]. This gives a bit more information about each release-critical bug and has filtering capabilities.
    All sources indicate that there are many "RC" bugs left, but using aba's tool[3] you can see that most open bug reports are security issues. Security issues will come up all the time. There is already infrastructure in place to provide security updates for the stable distribution, so there's no need to hold back the release because of these issues as they can be fixed at any time.
    The few remaining issues are new bugs that has just recently surfaces and hasn't yet been analyzed. They might have a too high severity set, noone knows until they have been analyzed. This also doesn't give much reason to hold back the released, there will always be a few really new bugs that there hasn't been time to analyze yet.
    All in all, having all bugs fixed looks promising, even if noone can promise that the CD-images are 100% bug-free.

    [1] http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ [debian.org]
    [2] http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ [debian.org]
    [3] http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch [turmzimmer.net]

    Regards,
    fatal
  • Re:Great News (Score:3, Informative)

    by cortana (588495) <sam@robo[ ]org.uk ['ts.' in gap]> on Sunday April 08, 2007 @06:21AM (#18654145) Homepage
    FYI, you could always have used etch's kernel 'backported' to sarge if you went to http://backports.org/ [backports.org]. Another option is Kenshi Muto's Backported d-i images archive [kmuto.jp] page.

    These pages will probably continue to be useful once Etch's default kernel gets out of date; although they may not be necessary as I have heard rumours of plans to push out updated Linux kernel image packages from time to time, with point releases of Debian 4.0 (etch).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08, 2007 @06:21AM (#18654147)
    They aren't bugs that will prevent the release of Etch.

    They are bugs that threaten the package's inclusion in Etch.
  • Re:Great News (Score:3, Informative)

    by cortana (588495) <sam@robo[ ]org.uk ['ts.' in gap]> on Sunday April 08, 2007 @06:41AM (#18654199) Homepage
    It can't hurt to remove third-party packages before upgrading. You can always install them again after the upgrade. If you have a recent version of aptitude installed, you can run aptitude search '~S~i!~Odebian' to find out which these packages are. If you have the version that shipped with sarge, then comment out any third-party repositories from your sources.list, then run aptitude (which will get you to the interactive, text-mode user interface), and scroll down to 'obsolete & locally created packages', where they should all be listed.

    If you don't want to remove most of the packages, you should get by OK as long as you do remove any that ship any files in /usr/X11R6/bin.

    Of course, the ususal upgrade procedure still applies--read the release notes before upgrading, pay attention to the steps that aptitude says that it's going to take, don't hit enter blindly, etc. :)
  • by Cthefuture (665326) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @08:41AM (#18654587)
    If you want all that then it's already available and the branch is called Ubuntu [ubuntu.com]. Even better is that it is stabilized and releases are made every 6 months.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08, 2007 @09:43AM (#18654833)
    Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released

    The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of
    Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed "etch", after 21 months of
    constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system
    which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes
    the KDE, GNOME and Xfce desktop environments. It also features
    cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and
    software developed for version 3.1 of the LSB.

    Using a now fully integrated installation process, Debian GNU/Linux
    4.0 comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This
    release introduces a newly developed graphical frontend to the
    installation system supporting scripts using composed characters and
    complex languages; the installation system for Debian GNU/Linux has
    now been translated to 58 languages.

    Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management
    system has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure
    APT allows the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded
    from a mirror. Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their
    entirety, but instead patched with smaller files containing only
    differences from earlier versions.

    Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld
    systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A
    total of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC
    (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel
    IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips,
    mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM S/390 (s390) and -- newly introduced with
    Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- AMD64 and Intel EM64T (amd64).

    Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media
    such as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network.
    GNOME is the default desktop environment and is contained on the
    first CD. The K Desktop Environment (KDE) and the Xfce desktop can be
    installed through two new alternative CD images. Also newly available
    with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 are multi-arch CDs and DVDs supporting
    installation of multiple architectures from a single disc.

    Debian GNU/Linux can be downloaded right now via bittorent (the
    recommended way), jigdo or HTTP; see for
    further information. It will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from
    numerous vendors , too.

    This release includes a number of updated software packages, such as
    the K Desktop Environment 3.5 (KDE), an updated version of the GNOME
    desktop environment 2.14, the Xfce 4.4 desktop environment, the
    GNUstep desktop 5.2, X.Org 7.1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.4a, GIMP 2.2.13,
    Iceweasel (an unbranded version of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.3), Icedove
    (an unbranded version of Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5), Iceape (an
    unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey 1.0.Cool, PostgreSQL 8.1.8,
    MySQL 5.0.32, GNU Compiler Collection 4.1.1, Linux kernel version
    2.6.18, Apache 2.2.3, Samba 3.0.24, Python 2.4.4 and 2.5, Perl 5.8.8,
    PHP 4.4.4 and 5.2.0, Asterisk 1.2.13, and more than 18,000 other
    ready to use software packages.

    Upgrades to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 from the previous release, Debian
    GNU/Linux 3.1 codenamed "sarge", are automatically handled by the
    aptitude package management tool for most configurations, and to a
    certain degree also by the apt-get package management tool. As
    always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be upgraded quite painlessly, in
    place, without any forced downtime, but it is strongly recommended to
    read the release notes for possible issues. For detailed instructions
    about installing and upgrading Debian GNU/Linux, please see the
    release notes .
    Please note that the release notes will be further improved and
    translated to additional languages in the coming weeks.

    ISO download: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/is o-cd/ [debian.org]
  • Re:TWO! in one day? (Score:5, Informative)

    by pogson (856666) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @10:53AM (#18655161) Homepage Journal
    This is a Great Day!

    Debian is one of the great old distros that just keeps getting better and not by adding frills. It is a large distro on many architectures supported by package managers from around the world. It is not hard to install as the reputation was. It is huge with many thousands of packages all smoothly (well, mostly ;-) integrated. I favour it for anyone migrating from that other OS, a new installation or on a large or small system.

    One of the neat features of Debian Etch is the smooth set of packages for installing LTSP (See http://ltsp.org/ [ltsp.org] ). One can go into a school on the weekend, set up a server and support all the old equipment as thin clients whether they be iMacs, i386, i486, P-what-evers and manage hundreds of accounts by Monday.

    I have been using Testing for a couple of months and there are few bugs. Nothing has prevented me from using it in production.

    Congratulations, Debian.org!

  • Back to normal? (Score:5, Informative)

    by pavon (30274) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @12:29PM (#18655777)
    I know that slashdotters like to dig on Debian for having slow releases, but sarge is the only one that took a ridiculously long amount of time to get out the door:

    1.1 - 1.2: 6 months
    1.2 - 1.3: 6 months
    1.3 - 2.0: 13 months
    2.0 - 2.1: 8 months
    2.1 - 2.2: 17 months
    2.2 - 3.0: 23 months
    3.0 - 3.1: 35 months
    3.1 - 4.0: 20 months

    I think that 18 months is a reasonable amount of time between stable releases. If Debian can stick close to that in the future then I will be happy.
  • Sam and GNAA (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:03PM (#18656487)
    Sam's not a GNAA member [debian.org] in any sense. He has commented about his trolling [debian.org] on planet.debian.org too. "My obvious social mistake was my Etch release stress-o-meter"
  • Re:AMD64 (Score:4, Informative)

    by Ash-Fox (726320) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @03:15PM (#18657049)

    Why not run Solaris on those boxes?
    Solaris doesn't work on my Athlon 64 hardware. It doesn't recognize the SATA controllers nor does it have a 3d accelerated X-server with my graphics card.

    Besides, it's slower (package management, admin tools, the same software I've ran on both OSes) and doesn't have a large repository (like Debian's) of software available on demand.

    ven the guy who invented Debian has dumped it and switched to Solaris.
    Ian Murdock went to work for Sun, but I can't find any information on 'switching' the OSes he uses.
  • It's Debian. If you have stable in your sources.conf, you'll get upgraded next time you run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (once it is released).
    which is why admins with a clue don't put stable in thier sources.list (the installer used to do this but i belive it has been changed).

    the reality is while the package managers get most stuff right there is nearly always some level of handholding involved in an upgrade from one stable release to the next (e.g. on sarge-etch it is easy to end up with no kernel installed if you are not carefull) and it certainly isn't something you want happening to you without warning.

    use release codenames in your sources.list and read the release notes before moving from one stable release to the next especially if you do not know how to repair broken systems.

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