Ballmer Repeats Threats Against Linux 470
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daria42 writes "Steve Ballmer has reissued Microsoft's patent threat against Linux, warning open-source vendors that they must respect his company's intellectual property. In a no-nonsense presentation to New York financial analysts last week, Microsoft's chief executive said the company's partnership with Novell, which it signed in November 2006, "demonstrated clearly the value of intellectual property, even in the open-source world.""
Re:I do not get this (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Details, Ballmer or it ain't so (Score:5, Informative)
The difference between the two cases is SCO claimed copyright infringement whereas Microsoft is claiming patent infringement (I believe).
Software patents are so much more vague than copyright, so there's a good chance some of the GNU/Linux operating system is infringing. Remember the study that found 283 possible software patent infringements [internetnews.com] in the Linux kernel alone? I would be suprised if some of those didn't belong to Microsoft (and that was 2004, there are probably more now).
This public sabre-rattling is not without basis. Seems to me that Microsoft are keeping the specifics under wraps, then threatening companies with them in private. Remember what ex-Novell employee said in this interview [itworldcanada.com]? Here's a reminder:
It's also funny you should mention this:
Some people (including this respected legal blogger [lamlaw.com]--at the bottom of that article) believe Microsoft funded and put SCO up to its anti-GNU/Linux FUD litigation. So, really they are a bigger SCO!
Re:MS infringing (Score:2, Informative)
There's precidence in MS losing a patent case. It can happen.
Dance Ballmer Monkey Dance (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Everything old is new again. (Score:5, Informative)
It mentions overall Intellectual Property rights as a risk as well, but does not note any offenders, nor any plans to mitigate the problem via lawsuits.
I see nothing here that indicates a belief that Open Source and Linux in particular are nothing more than a threat to the business model, so I still think his comments are just FUD.
Value? (Score:4, Informative)
From my windows server systeminfo:
OS Name: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Server 2003, Standard Edition
OS Version: 5.2.3790 Service Pack 1 Build 3790
System Up Time: 13 Days, 17 Hours, 46 Minutes, 39 Seconds
Linux server 1:
$ uptime
16:23:45 up 162 days, 18:58, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
Linux server 2:
$ uptime
16:23:21 up 162 days, 19:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
The windows server is for active directory and acts as a file and printer server. The linux servers are web, database, mail, and file servers. The windows server cost over $3,000 for hardware and software. The more powerful and versatile linux servers were $400 specials. Tell me where the value is, Steve-o.
Oh, and the reason the linux server uptime is 162 days is because something blew up at the local power substation and we had no power for a day.
Re:BSA (Score:1, Informative)
Most likely when signing the agreements, people think that the discount is nice, and all those terms are meant for "the other guys, those suspicious ones" - the same sort of thinking people who think police should be able to treat suspects as criminals - and don't realize that it means that they'll actually have to expend significant manpower should the BSA demand an audit.
I've worked in an organization that went through a BSA audit - nothing came of it, but it took about a month of real time and cost several man-months of work from us.
If it were up to me, I would never sign an agreement that gave the other party the possibility to demand me to submit to such audits. Sadly the people in charge usually just something along the lines of "it's Microsoft, everybody uses their products, and everybody else agrees to such terms, so it can't be that bad!"
Pretty ironic really (Score:4, Informative)
1) being sued for including mp3 software without a full patent license
2) being sued by AT&T by shipping development work overseas to avoid US patents
3) got succesfully sued by Eolas for the browser plugins patent infringement
4) is currently being sued by a company called Visto for mobile email and data patent infringements
5) got successfully sued by Timeline for patent infringement in SQL Server
6) is being sued by a company called VirnetX for patent infringement in VPN
the list goes on...
Re:Everything old is new again. (Score:4, Informative)
Where are the patent numbers? (Score:3, Informative)
Let;'s hear some patent numbers from Microsoft. Nobody will pay attention until Microsoft comes up with some specific claims. The SCO case has made that clear.
Re:I do not get this (Score:4, Informative)
There is a great interview with Jeremy Allison of Samba on FLOSS weekly #14, http://www.twit.tv/floww14 [www.twit.tv] where he basically tells how he made Samba. Quite a good listen really. Most interesting is his trial and error causing the Windows computer to which he was sending packets to reboot/hang/crash. I recall he said he submitted bug reports to MSFT to help them fix issues (like being able to remotely crash a windows machine over the network).
If everything Steve says is true (which I personally believe it is), then M$FT don't have a leg to stand on. If someone within the MSFT organization has looked at the Samba code and seen similarities it is only because they're talking to the same system with the same messages.
I'm talking to you in semi-coherent English, but that does not mean I've infringed any Patents on LCD/Plasma/CRT/Ass display you're reading this on.
Re:Why is a lawsuit war a disaster? (Score:4, Informative)
I'm not sure it'd be an economic breakdown, seems more like all the money would just end up going to the lawyers. We'd have a lawyerocracy instead, since they'd end up being the undisputed rulers of the world.
That said, since they'd be undisputed, they'd run out of cash because there'd be no cases left, so it wouldn't last long.
ash
Re:Value? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Why is a lawsuit war a disaster? (Score:2, Informative)
Spoken like a true American (I'll assume you're not from the USSR since the US basically ended their world around 10 years ago). Do you honestly believe we'd miss you, McDonald's, lawyers out of control, the Iraq war and all that other stuff???