Pre-Installed Linux Tops Dell Customer Requests 509
dhart writes "Within only a few days of Dell opening a new customer feedback website, they discovered that the feature most requested (by an almost 2-to-1 margin!) is an option on all new Dell PCs: pre-installed Linux. (And the number 3 request is pre-installed Open Office.) I believe they'll have a harder time now with the tired old mantra 'There's no customer demand for Linux.'"
Re:Their system configurator (Score:4, Insightful)
curious (Score:5, Insightful)
Um... why? (Score:3, Insightful)
No thank-you.
I use Linux more or less exclusively, but I'd never buy a machine with it preinstalled. I've seen how badly a computer supplier can botch a Windows install. Just ship the box blank and accept that some people know more about certain things than you do.
Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's pretty much the same thing as with AMD processors. For the longest time the official line was "There's no customer demand for AMD." Well, obviously there's demand, which is why they are bringing it up in the first place. What they really mean is "There's customer demand, but not enough for it to be worth the cost of supporting more than one platform, plus the loss from making our current single-platform vendor unhappy."
Basically, just like with selling AMD-based systems, there's no way in hell Dell is going to sell pre-installed supported Linux until the financial incentive to do so is simply undeniable. And even then, they will at first just use the threat of doing so as a lever to get more concessions from Microsoft. If history holds true, expect Dell to be the last major OEM not shipping Linux.
Not that many votes (Score:3, Insightful)
I think the person who posted this link got a little excited over nothing. If anyone really believes that having Linux on the desktop is more important/popular to consumers then being able to speak to a 'John Smith' rather then a 'Abdule Ramakaiaky' for their tech support is out of their mind.
Web comments != paying customers (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't speak for anyone else but if I were buying a computer with Linux pre-installed it would just be as a sort of guarantee that there are Linux drivers available for the hardware. For that purpose it really doesn't matter what distro they choose.
Please vote for OpenOffice option (Score:5, Insightful)
With a default OO install, there will be an instant install base of ODF. It'll do wonders for adoption of the format. Other manufacturers might even follow Dell, seeing how Dell can add functional software with minimal cost, leading to even more adoption. Business users might purchase MS Office anyway, but the home users and small businesses needing basic office needs would benefit in a real way without spending more money.
So please, vote for OO.o. Having Dell install linux by default might be really cool, but voting for OO.o would help both Open Source awareness and adoption.
Requests from some doesn't mean much (Score:3, Insightful)
Many of Dell's customers may very well want Linux. But you can't generalize from this survey to all of Dell's market is foolhardy.
Certification would be better than install (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Requests != demand (Score:5, Insightful)
You put a radio button that reads "( ) OpenOffice, FREE ( ) MS Office, $49.99 Dell Discount Rate" and we'll talk about consumer demand.
Dell Linux (Score:4, Insightful)
Shaving hundreds from the cost of a PC? (Score:3, Insightful)
With PCs starting from $360 to $650, can you really expect to shave "hundreds" off the price of a new PC? The $650 machine doesn't come with Office, and Dell probably only pays $60 or so per Windows license (anybody got firmer numbers?)
The savings may be modest at best, but at least there would be an option (and I didn't see anyplace that said Dell IS GOING TO offer Linux, just that it is wanted by the respondents).
Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:3, Insightful)
For it to really be a guarantee, the hardware has to have open source drivers and specifications available.
Re:Demographics (Score:1, Insightful)
Hey Brutus! (Score:5, Insightful)
dhart submissions all over the place. (Score:5, Insightful)
He calls this an honest representation of customer demand?! When I got linked to by Slashdot, I got 28,000 hits. And that was a Sunday morning. Say bye-bye to any sort of reasonable cross-section of Dell users.
I love Linux, and haven't run anything But Linux on my personal systems since 2001, but this is very nearly astroturfing. At the very least, it'll strongly bias the demographic on ideastorm.
Re:Um... why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Now those who modded the parent insightful, please mod me *redundant*...
Re:Linux flavors A, B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. (Score:5, Insightful)
It would be *really* nice if Dell would do some basic work to document device-driver compatibility for their systems. So if I was configuring a Linux system online, I'd like to see something like:
If Dell could do something like this, I'd give them *huge* props... and I imagine a lot of other Linux folks would to. I'd gladly order my next box or ten from them. It wouldn't even be that hard... I would guess that one guy working, say, 10 hours a week on this could easily document driver availability for all the hardware Dell sells with its desktop systems.
The problem would be old grandma.. (Score:1, Insightful)
Wait, there's no problem here. The only problem is above commenter's that think only power-users can use Linux.
Re:Shaving hundreds from the cost of a PC? (Score:3, Insightful)
More importantly, how were you able to actually quote something that you did not read (or perhaps, comprehend)?
It specifically states that OpenOffice instead of Microsoft office will save hundreds of dollars on a new PC. It is implied that if you're using OpenOffice instead of MS-Office, you would have either paid for Microsoft office or pirated it. Of course it won't save hundreds if you order a PC with no office suite... that is not the situation described by the original statement.
Re:Mod parent... Well, *you* decide... (Score:5, Insightful)
Well that maybe the case for an American listener. All the Filipinos I've met (only a handful to be honest) sounded to me like they had American accents
But just to agree with you, all of them had very good spoken english (if a little quiet).
Re:Great Story: (Score:2, Insightful)
It's 100% true that students in her particular school must pay a small fine if they are caught speaking a language other than English.
Re:Requests != demand (Score:3, Insightful)
I
Re:Great Story: (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you call tech support lines to chat about American Idol or something? When I call, I want technical answers. So long as I can understand the other person, I don't care where they are or what cultural customs they follow.
(Yes, I understand that the Phillipines are an American protectorate so they could all be considered somewhat 'american' but you know what I meant)
The Philippines are not an American protectorate. The Philippines have been a completely sovereign nation since 1946. They were ceded from the Spanish to the United States in the Spanish-American War in 1898. That relationship lasted until WWII, when the Japanese took the islands. After WWII, the Philippines became a fully independent nation. The United States had military bases there until the early 1990s.
Re:Great Story: (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm not discussing the companies' practice of making foreigners pretend to be Americans. I think it's stupid and easily seen through, and I don't see why they do it.
In any case, I don't see how a lack of speaking American English and understanding American culture could be detrimental to technical support. What's the last time you needed slang and pop culture references to communicate with a technical support representative? It's not a situation of two buddies chatting over a beer, it's an individual communicating with a paid professional in a somewhat formal setting.
I'm not talking about whether Indian or American technical support is superior. I know American technical support is. I don't see how this applies, as we're talking about the Philippines, not India, so your examples are meaningless.
I hope that someday you meet one or more native Filipinos and speak English with them. I firmly believe that you will be pleasantly surprised.
Re:Their system configurator (Score:3, Insightful)
Erm, I haven't really used the Dell system configurator whatchamajingle very much, but just from reading this the gist of the OP seems to be that Dell are unnecessarily limiting your hardware options if you choose the no OS option. i.e. We want Dell to be reducing the limitations, not adding them as you seem to be implying. Yes, you're right that there are probably people who don't want their hardware requirements dictated by an OS they're not going to install. But the OS-that-isn't-being-installed doesn't try to limit our anonymous consumers hardware choices. Dell does. At least that's what I picked up from reading this thread.
Re:Great Story: (Score:1, Insightful)