Linux Kernel Devs Offer Free Driver Development 348
schwaang writes "Linux Kernel hacker Greg Kroah-Hartman, author of Linux Kernel in a Nutshell has posted an epic announcement on his blog. This could portend increased device compatibility for Linux users, higher-quality drivers, and fewer non-free binary blobs." From the announcement: "[T]he Linux kernel community is offering all companies free Linux driver development... All that is needed is some kind of specification that describes how your device works, or the email address of an engineer that is willing to answer questions every once in a while. If your company is worried about NDA issues surrounding your device's specifications, we have arranged a program... in order to properly assure that all needed NDA requirements are fulfilled. Now your developers will have more time to work on drivers for all of the other operating systems out there, and you can add 'supported on Linux' to your product's marketing material."
Re:Hardware ? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Wonderful (Score:1, Informative)
Hell, all my hardware actually works better in linux than in windows. my mp3 player doesnt run quite right in XP, not all of my motherboard's devices run smoothly, my tv card doesnt run in XP (my fault because it's a media center edition only card, though this doesnt affect it in linux whatsoever
My atheros card runs flawlessly using the original reverse engineered madwifi drivers, the new code from atheros seems to hate my card and doesnt let it connect or do anything, my range is also (artificially) limited by the new drivers, where the AP has to be in the next room to even pick up.
In some cases, free open drivers that have been hacked tend to really make use of the hardware as opposed to manufacturer soft limitations.
Re:seems like a good idea (Score:3, Informative)
http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
Re:Standard Driver Model? (Score:5, Informative)
The only small problem is that it requires slightly more intelligence (and some flash memory) in the individual device - something which manufacturers have spent the last 20 years doing their best to avoid.
Re:How many (Score:3, Informative)
Oh, and don't forget printer drivers. But that's more a userspace thing.
A similar offer (Score:3, Informative)
The folks at Xiph have had a similar offer [xiph.org] for a few years:
I don't know if anyone ever took them up on it. Ogg support in portable hardware has come a long way since then. I used to come back to this page every couple of weeks to see if anything had changed. Now a lot of players have it... I hope this takes off.
Regarding NDA compliance (Score:1, Informative)
The lawyers reading for the Linux Kernel have a reason to read and understand (or even find workarounds for the legalese cf Novell/MS). It also sends the liability out to these lawyers rather than keep it the companies fault.
So they may find that the NDA still applies but that what NEEDS to be done to get a driver isn't actually forbidden.
Re:How will the NDA work ? (Score:5, Informative)
b) binary blob kernel patch created by hardware munfacturuers
Widely believed to be a license violation.
c) binary blob in kernel tree created under NDA by the kernel team (who have private access to the source)
Almost certainly a license violation. (Can't be distributed with the portions of the kernel written by others who have released their code as GPL)
d) obfuscated code in the kernel tree (with original kept private to those kernel devs that have signed the NDA)
Probably a license violation (google for "gpl perferred form obfuscate")
e) uncommented code in the kernel tree (with commented code kept private to those kernel devs that have signed the NDA)
Dubious to keep commented version seperate for the same "preferred form" reason as above.
IANAL.
Re:Standard Driver Model? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Wonderful (Score:4, Informative)
Example of extending to other platform (Score:5, Informative)
After the company collapsed, users were left with no drivers for recent windows version (XP, XP64 and Vista).
But, the Linux drivers happened to be open source.
So most of the work you may see on websites like http://3dfxzone.it/ [3dfxzone.it] for Windows, is mostly based on libglide and Mesa3d for linux.
(This is also another proof that open-source enable something to survive beyond the death of it's parent company)
Another example may be the linux USB stack, which was later ported to both the Cromwell xbox bios and ReactOS (opensource clone of the Windows NT system, cousin of Wine project).
Re:Hardware ? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:seems like a good idea (Score:3, Informative)
If the value of your [say] network card is how to make it read/write frames and not how it actually does it internally
Tom
Re:NDA, or crippled hardware? (Score:2, Informative)
The technical specifications that they're requesting access to usually are the specifications for the entire product. Let's take, for sake of example a Video card.
The specification covers not only just how the device interfaces to the computer, but also how the VRAM and GPU integrate, etc.
In other words all the driver will tell someone who hasn't signed the NDA is how to access the hardware, but not how the parts of the hardware work with each other.
That's how maintaining the NDAs would be advantageous to companies.
- My two bits and a ha'penny.
Re:Wonderful (Score:4, Informative)
Re:How many (Score:3, Informative)
WiFi (especially Broadcom WiFi) under Linux is a pain, but video capture isn't nearly as dire a situation. Most dumb framegrabbers are handled by the bt8x8 driver, while most MPEG-2 compressor boards are handled by the ivtv driver. Compare that to the separate drivers from each manufacturer that you typically need with Windows.
That's not Open Source, by definition (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php [opensource.org] - Section 2 of OSI's Open Source Definition
That said, an NDA still may not make it impossible to write a driver. If the specs are under NDA, that means nobody else can see the specs. It doesn't *necessarily* mean that nobody can write a driver that interfaces with those specs. This depends a great deal on the wording and intent of the NDA itself. Naturally, some people will consider a driver to be a description of the spec, and hence not allowed under the NDA. Some people will not. Specs often contain a lot of things that aren't strictly required to make a device go; it may be these parts, the implementation details, that the NDA is intended to protect. The best thing to do would be to separate an interface specification from the implementation specification, and release the former NDA-free. The next best thing would be to invite a developer to sign an NDA and develop an Open Source driver.
Not possible for every piece of hardware out there, but possible for many.
Hardware design -- Meaningless?! (Score:3, Informative)
I'm not sure I believe this.
I worked doing VLSI design for a short time as an intern, so, though I can't claim overwhelming expertise, I've learned more about the industry than I think the general public knows. Foundry tech is hideously expensive, requiring gigantic investments. It costs so much that it's gotten to the point that even competitors do joint work (with tension and assorted legal handcuffs, to be sure -- and they keep it quiet -- but in the end they all cross-license with each other) to develop new foundry technologies (and, to a lesser extent, "I.P."), because it's just so. damn. expensive. Old rivals are forced to quietly build each others' chips, because neither can handle it on their own.
You might be able to design a chip, send it off to TSMC, and have them produce it -- but even that costs boatloads. And it's not going to work quite right the first time!
I recall, maybe a year ago, there was a big press release about a Chinese CPU which was supposed to demonstrate China's rising power. It was about as fast as a Pentium III. Given what they were starting with, that's pretty damn impressive -- but you also notice that they couldn't pop out a Core 2 Duo. There's a lot of infrastructure required that's just not there yet.
Even people like PowerVR, with their Kyro cores, couldn't effectively challenge ATI and nVidia: They produced a decent budget core, for a little while, but they couldn't keep up, and now they're designing cores for chips other people design which end up in cell phones. They're probably making more money that way -- but they just couldn't stay on the bleeding edge.
So, no, a company in China can't build a low-budget ATI-killer overnight -- and I don't believe it's just the drivers.
Re:Wonderful (Score:4, Informative)
However, in many cases a hardware company NDA just requires non-disclosure of the hardware documentation itself, and in particular the documentation of the hardware's internal workings. In these cases, the resulting driver generally looks like most other drivers in Linux, including useful constants and helpful comments.
(Not commenting on the ethics of NDAs in general; just presenting information.)