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Sony PlayStation (Games) Software Linux

Sony Adds PS3 Support to Linux Kernel 181

mu22le writes "A few Sony patches to the Linux kernel have just been merged in the mainline tree, to be included in the 2.6.20 release. The patches add 'core platform support for the PS3 game console and other devices using the PS3 hypervisor.'" From the Linux Devices article: "Linux gained generic support for the Cell processor, on which the PS3 is based, with the 2.6.13 release in June of 2005. The new Sony-contributed patches to the 2.6.20 kernel appear to add machine-specific support for technology such as the PS3's memory architecture, DMA (direct memory access) model, and SMP (symmetric multiprocessing) model. A Yellow Dog Linux (YDL) distribution has been available for the PS3 since October, thanks to a development deal between Sony and YDL publisher TerraSoft. However, YDL so far has not been bundled with early PS3 shipments, despite earlier indications from Sony Entertainment's CEO, Ken Kuturagi."
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Sony Adds PS3 Support to Linux Kernel

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  • Re:At the moment (Score:2, Insightful)

    by brenddie ( 897982 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @08:00PM (#17155246)
    Lets just hope that it doesnt go the way of the PS2 and once they get done evading whatever taxes game consoles have over PCs and abandon support for linux. At least this time the hardware is interesting enough to keep people working/hacking the console.
  • by joshetc ( 955226 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @08:01PM (#17155252)
    $600 isnt a bad price for a high end media PC.

    Plus it can play games and bluray media.

    In a way I agree with you though, if I wound up buying one itd probably be after the cost goes down a bit..
  • by joshetc ( 955226 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @08:11PM (#17155398)
    Even the best high-end media PC is useless without proper graphics drivers. There's no sign that nvidia puts out some drivers for the RSX in the PS3, yet.

    Thats a really good point. Sony supporting PS3 could push nvidia to develop drivers for it which might wind up benefiting even us non-ps3 linux users.
  • by king-manic ( 409855 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @08:17PM (#17155490)
    A cell procesor computer for a grand with a decent GPU and insane memory bandwidth. It's got a few niches (poverty stricken research labs comes ot mind).
  • by Oddscurity ( 1035974 ) * on Thursday December 07, 2006 @08:19PM (#17155536)
    Indeed, theoretically it's a more than decent platform for F@H, et al.
  • by HappySqurriel ( 1010623 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @08:28PM (#17155658)
    $600 isnt a bad price for a high end media PC.

    Plus it can play games and bluray media.

    In a way I agree with you though, if I wound up buying one itd probably be after the cost goes down a bit..


    But can it burn CDs/DVDs?
    Can you install any OS besides linux on it?
    Does it have a PS/2 Keybord/mouse port or a printer port?

    These may not seem like big things, but they're just to demonstrate that you're probably going to spend more money on a PS3 and (as a PC) it will function on a much worse level.
  • by poot_rootbeer ( 188613 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @08:35PM (#17155778)
    Instantly a PS3 is a gaming rig, BlueRay player AND a fully functional PC, ready for web browsing, OO.o, etc.

    Yes, a box with only 256MB of general-purpose RAM is IDEAL for web browsing, Open Office, etc.....

    Given just a small push and penetration could easilly hit 50% of an installed base likely to number in the tens of millions within two to three years.

    I don't know which claim is more unlikely... that PS3 Linux would be of interest to anywhere near 50% of PS3 owners, or that Sony will be able to sell tens of millions of PS3s in the next couple of years.
  • Who needs video? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ArcherB ( 796902 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @09:03PM (#17156170) Journal
    I see a lot of people here complaining that it is worthless without video drivers. I disagree. Granted, you won't be playing Quake on it, but that does not make it worthless. The first thing I will do when I get one is to have it take over the function of my current Linux box and run my web page off of it. Apache doesn't care what video card you have. This will allow me to dump my space-heater Athlon XP in favor of something a bit more AC friendly. Unfortunately, I won't be able to play a game and run my web page at the same time, but that's why I need to buy 2!!! :-)

    Next, this machine will work just fine for checking email, typing documents, spreadsheets, presentations, browsing the web, downloading porn or whatever else you use a PC for. The only downside I see is the lack of storage space. Let's hope it takes external USB drives.

  • PS3 is not so bad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RzUpAnmsCwrds ( 262647 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @09:05PM (#17156214)
    The PS3 is actually shaping up to be a pretty nice console. Blu-Ray, Linux support, HDMI, nice CPU/GPU, USB/Bluetooth for controllers. It also seems to be pretty quiet, more so than the 360.

    If Sony had released the high-end system at $500 (low end at $400), and hadn't made so many stupid blunders (no resolution scaling, lack of an online plan, limited availability), I think that the PS3 would be creaming the 360 right now.

    There's nothing wrong with the PS3 that software patches and price cuts can't help. Unfortunately, as soon as Sony actually gets availability (early next year?), you can bet that MS will be ready with a $300 die-shrunk, cooler, and quieter Premium 360.
  • by Trelane ( 16124 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @09:45PM (#17156700) Journal
    Yes, a box with only 256MB of general-purpose RAM is IDEAL for web browsing, Open Office, etc.....
    Actually, it's not so bad. You would likely be surprised.
  • by jonwil ( 467024 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @09:46PM (#17156710)
    Screw the wireless, give us hardware accelerated 3D.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07, 2006 @09:52PM (#17156776)
    Jesus, by your reasoning we should go back to punch cards, as it's a completely mechanical storage system that isn't affected by magnetic fields. God knows we have tons of those around us, just waiting to pounce on our precious information. Yes sir, by going with punch cards, we can sleep easy knowing that our data is safe. Of course, we'd have to make them out of polymer sheets, as the paper ones were prone to tearing.

    On a more serious note, when's the last time you had a USB bus failure? I've had processor, motherboard and hard disk failures, but never the USB bus _alone_.
  • by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepplesNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday December 07, 2006 @10:03PM (#17156894) Homepage Journal

    But can it burn CDs/DVDs?

    The PLAYSTATION 3 game console running Linux might be able to use an optical disc recorder connected to one of its USB 2.0 ports.

    Can you install any OS besides linux on it?

    Any operating system vendor is welcome to make a boot loader module for PS3 Other OS Installer [playstation.com]. But in general, only Free operating systems are going to be worth anybody's time.

    Does it have a PS/2 Keybord/mouse port

    The keyboard and mouse used with the PlayStation 2 game console (PS2) were a standard USB keyboard and a standard USB mouse. Yes, these devices also work with PS3 consoles.

    or a printer port?

    Sony left off a dedicated printer port probably because it saw that Nintendo's Game Boy Printer was a flop. But you can still attach any USB or network printer that has a CUPS driver.

  • by smash ( 1351 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @10:05PM (#17156920) Homepage Journal
    I'll bet you ran and stuck your head in the sand when it came time to learn protected mode x86, too.

    If your PS2 port breaks, you're fucked (no keyboard). If your USB port breaks, you've got another one.

    The cpu usage is a non-issue. It may be "wasteful" but seriously, there's far more serious problems to solve than cutting down your keyboard's utilisation down from 0.01% of a single cpu - you can cut that time down by 99% and its still no real gain.

    I'm all for optimisation, but seriously...

  • by ucblockhead ( 63650 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @10:07PM (#17156940) Homepage Journal
    Sony won't push Linux on the PS3 until it starts selling it at a profit. People buying PS3s to install Linux and never buying a game is Sony's worst nightmare.
  • Depends on the WM (Score:3, Insightful)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday December 07, 2006 @10:15PM (#17157018)
    Yes, a box with only 256MB of general-purpose RAM is IDEAL for web browsing, Open Office, etc.....

    Hasn't anyone ever run a slimmed down WM like TWM?

    With a smaller screen and simpler uses, you don't need a fancy WM that takes up a great deal of memory - and Mozilla should run just fine in that little memory with most of the OS and WM not hogging memory.

  • by CronoCloud ( 590650 ) <cronocloudauron.gmail@com> on Thursday December 07, 2006 @10:48PM (#17157288)
    Doesn't WinXP run on boxes with only 256MB. Last I checked at my local Wal-mart they had a WinXP box for sale with only 256. The Windows machine I have had 256MB as the base RAM and Gateway was advertising them as being good general sue computers.

    Personally, I've been running Linux on a PS2 for over 4 years. The 32MB is a limitation yes, but not as much as you might think and the PS3 has 8x as much. It'll be enough for general uses.

  • by CronoCloud ( 590650 ) <cronocloudauron.gmail@com> on Thursday December 07, 2006 @10:58PM (#17157368)
    Your RAM would go even further using fluxbox, XFCE or even the e17 Yellow Dog 5.0 uses. :-)

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