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cloudmaster writes "Apparently they were watching me to see when I downloaded the 6.10-rc release isos, as I did that last night, and the full release happened this morning. :)
Neat stuff, including Firefox 2.0, Gnome 2.16, myth 0.20, faster booting thanks to upstart (sort of a replacement for init, among others), etc.
The announcement and download pages are up. I've got *my* torrent running..."
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Easy upgrade from Dapper (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Easy upgrade from Dapper (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-ubuntu-dapper-
http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/How_to_Upgrade_U
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Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Links to the CDs / Torrents here:
http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php [kubuntu.org]
Automatic update procedure is as follows:
1.In Konqueror go to
2.Change all instances of dapper to edgy
3.Launch a console with K-Menu -> System -> Konsole
4.In the console run: sudo apt-get update
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GNOME slower after update? (Score:3, Interesting)
The most serious problem is that it now takes 12 to 15 seconds for a new window to open. Even running a GNOME app from an xterm exhibits this problem, so it's not a problem with the GNOME deskbar. Applications like xterm, xedit, and Opera, which do not use GTK+, do not suffer from this problem. They start up almost immediately. Mozilla Sea
Firefox? (Score:4, Funny)
It's got Firefox 2.0? I wanted IceWeasel!
Ubuntu Do What Debian [C/W]ouldn't... (Score:5, Informative)
Plaudits to the Ubuntu guys for getting this release out so quickly. Wonder if I should stick with 6.06 and its LTS or upgrade?
I hope the S3 video driver works this time (Score:3, Informative)
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xser
I hope the patch works this time.
Debian? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Well, slashdot hasn't managed to update to the new Gnome icon for over two years either. The
No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:No realtime 2.6.18 kernel yet (Score:4, Interesting)
Unless you can get a package for Firefox 2.0, it isn't necessarily easier to install a browser. More people care about having Firefox 2.0 than a real-time kernel, by far. So you are in the minority.
-matthew
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Some early impressions (Score:4, Insightful)
After the reboot
Dapper was already a fast system, Edgy feels even faster. In particular, bott time is shorter, the Gnome menus come up quicker. The Murrine GTK+ theme I had installed from outside of the normal repositories was broken. Fonts were not fully hinted (looked smeared) in Firefox and gnome-terminal; this was fixed by explicitly switching to full hinting in the fonts preferences. These have been the only regressions I've noticed so far.
The new Firefox 2 is certainly nice, e.g. spell-checking in text fields, not slow as molasses anymore on framed pages, etc. Departs further from GTK look & feel with the (literally) shiny new tabs. Epiphany has acquired adblocking capabilities, but is still not installed by default.
Of course... (Score:4, Funny)
Dapper isn't dead. (Score:4, Informative)
If the PCs were all your personal machines then of course you can do what you want, but if they're ones that have to work reliably and you're expected to support, you probably saved yourself a lot of trouble by going with Dapper.
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MythTV on Ubuntu (Score:3, Interesting)
Does anyone have any thoughts about MythTV on Ubuntu vs. other distros?
I'm a relative Linux noob, having only been using it for half a year. I ran Myth 0.19 on Fedora Core 5, but broke it somehow when I upgraded to 0.20. I ran into some sound bug that I couldn't figure out, so I took the easy way out and installed KnoppMyth, which has worked like a charm. However, I'm not in love with Knoppix, so I'm thinking about running trying Myth on Ubuntu.
As a relative noob, I really loved using Yum on FC5, but I haven't had as good of an experience with Apt on Knoppix. In my limited experience, I've had more issues with dependencies using Apt than I did with Yum. I know Ubuntu is also Debian-based and also uses Apt, but I've heard it's very noob-friendly, so I was wondering what merits there would be in switching from KnoppMyth to an Ubuntu-based Myth system.
Upstart faster how?... (Score:4, Interesting)
faster booting thanks to upstart (sort of a replacement for init, among others)
I just had a look at "upstart" and some of its configuration documentation, and while I understand "traditional" rc script processes (such as sysvinit, and the variations on that) I cannot see how upstart will speed anything up. It still seems to be a serialised startup process, and the documentation does not make it clear how to specify startup dependencies ("IP before NTP", or "spamd before sendmail"), so there is no implied optimisation behind-the-scenes by using parallel startup.
Have I missed something, or is this just a move to an event-driven RC process "because I can" ?
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Check gentoo's startup scripts and their structure - they feature a lot of cool modifications like soft boot levels, and an exhaustive dependency structure. I don't know why other vendors aren't adopting it, but its worth taking a look and there is no
Re:Upstart faster how?... (Score:5, Insightful)
It is. For Ubuntu edgy, a "compatibility layer" has been implemented to allow upstart run the old sysv
This is because changing everything in a single release was too much. For the next release, they'll replace the old scripts with true upstart scripts and then the switch will be complete (and still there'll be compatibility for the unported sysv scripts available in extra packages)
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Re:Upstart faster how?... (Score:5, Informative)
From the documentation, it looks like you can do exactly this, by specifying that spamd be started when and before sendmail is started. You can also have sendmail start whenever spamd has finished starting. It looks to give you the ability to inject dependencies in either direction. Example: If sendmail is already installed and configured to start at system boot, the spamd installer just needs to add "start on sendmail/start" to it's own startup script, and upstart will call it before calling sendmail's startup script. Or you can go the other direction, and have sendmail's script use "start on spamd/started" to run sendmail's startup script after spamd's startup script finishes running.
However, the most useful aspect seems to be the fact that it can process events at any time, not just startup/shutdown. Such as starting an iPod sync daemon only when an iPod is connected, and stopping it when the iPod is removed.
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With Strigi! (Score:5, Informative)
So, they replaced init. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:So, they replaced init. (Score:5, Informative)
It doesn't take much to find out via the ubuntu wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit [ubuntu.com] has lots of information on the whole implementation.
With regards to launchd, that page says;
and also from discussion further down the page;
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Et tu, Kubuntu? (Score:5, Informative)
Cake? (Score:5, Funny)
Is the ATI (Radeon) driver fixed? (Score:3, Interesting)
One thing that spoiled the experience though, was that I initially got a blank screen with the Live CD, so had to go back and do a "safe graphics mode" boot/install. It turns out (no mention of this in the release notes - had to dig for a day to find it) that the X.org ATI driver for 6.06 is broken such that it doesn't work for RV280 based (Radeon 9200) cards using the DVI output (flat panel)... The fix requires downloading and editing the source and rebuilding the driver.
There's also another bug in the 6.06 ATI driver just discovered a week ago where with xorg.conf RenderAccel="yes" it can corrupt drawing in some circumstances (themes that use Cairo).
Does anyone know if either or both of the fixes for these made it into 6.10 ?
Still no 3D desktop? (Score:4, Insightful)
I just downgraded to ubuntu 6.04.1 (Score:5, Informative)
Initramfs has been updated several times a day and reports of usb drives double mounting, not mounting, and randomly unmounting are quite huge, many wifi cards no longer work, multiple midi files can crash xmms, firefox 2.0 randomly crashes, and other issues means its not ready yet in my book.
Also in my journal I mentioned gpart crashed during a resizing of my ntfs partition. That was quite scary but I did not lose anything. According to launchpad it has not been fixed yet so Windows users beware.
Ubuntu is my favorite and one of the most stable distro's out there. However I highly advise ubuntu users to wait a few weeks before upgrading to this version.
What does a version release *really* mean? (Score:5, Interesting)
I ask this seriously and also in jest. Why not just have give you the latest and greatest? There has already been discussion of the "best" way to go about upgrading (dist-update, whatever). If instead of having repositories that were "version" specific, why not just have "current" repositories. Then as *everything* progresses, it all gets updated along the way?
Is it just the dependencies issue? Or am I missing something more? Just seems like since Ubuntu is aimed at making it the most user-friendly distro, "version" updates could follow suit.
Re:What does a version release *really* mean? (Score:4, Informative)
Additionally, releases allow for planning and coordination. Sometime programs aren't exactly C++ standard compliant, and sometimes the compiler isn't either. Changing the compiler version can occasionally introduce subtle bugs or build failures. By staggering freezes, you give people deadlines to work with / around. Imagine not knowing whether the kernel would support a specific feature your program wanted (like wpa_supplicant and NetworkManager).
Finally, the release system allows for simple testing and bug fixing. Sometimes upstream will fix a bug and introduce a new buggy feature at the same time.
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Re:Can I (Score:5, Informative)
I think so, I was going to do (on the command line)
sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy/g' -i
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
* Go to bed / work *
Which will update my sources list, update the repository and then upgrade. At least, that's what I think it'll do. If anyone has any corrections then let us know.
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Re:Can I (Score:5, Informative)
Thats because if the first command fails you shouldnt run the second for whatever reason.
Ubuntu is the next best thing since sliced bread, and everyone should atleast try it out. I upgraded my 5.10 (no idea how I managed to install that) the other day to 6.06 this way - it went without a hickup. I love ubuntu
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Re:Can I (Score:5, Interesting)
The company that I hire my office from has been running redhat for ages, they're getting problems installing their in-house software to the newer versions of redhat because they are using cups instead of the older lp/lpr/lprng systems. Knowing this I started synaptic (the ubuntu package manager), searched for LPRNG with one of the senior guys behind my shoulder. Choosed to install LPRNG, synaptic automaticlly disabled cups and change the appropriate settings. 15 minutes later we were printing useing their sed-scripts from the 80's again.
I think I can safely say that I singlehanded arranged for a bunch of new ubuntu installs with that 20 minutes of my time.
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Re:Can I (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Can I (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Can I (Score:4, Informative)
Should it happen to you, I did this:
1. reset
2. hit ESC when prompted at boot
3. select safe mode from the menu
4. run "startx" on the commnad prompt. KDE should start.
5. Update the system with Adept (system > package manager).
6. reboot.
Everything is fine now.
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Re:Can I (Score:4, Insightful)
Apt just barely has concurrent downloads and you're worried about torrent sources?
In order to really make use of torrent, apt would have to be much more asynchronous. It should determine an overall order for packages, create multiple install jobs based on dependencies (so if you're installing two things and each one has five different dependencies, then apt should be allowed to install one while the other is downloading) and so on. Apt does none of these things so a torrent would be a waste. However, it might be reasonable to make major release upgrades through an automated process of torrenting an ISO, mounting it, and doing the update.
Probably not, though.
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Re:Can I (Score:4, Funny)
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Clean install is good if you just play/mess/etc with it, but if you have some nicely configured system you might better want to upgrade it.
Re:Can I (Score:4, Informative)
Well, you often hear people talking about odd problems after upgrading, on the ubuntu forums for example. A clean install fixes things. It's very hard to pin down the relevant issue in such cases, and they seem rare. But still, I prefer to clean-install Ubuntu (as I will do later today for Edgy).
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Re:Can I (Score:4, Interesting)
I believe that if you upgrade Ubuntu from release to release you'll be fine. However, I didn't do that. I upgraded Dapper to Edgy Knot 2. It worked, but over time as the bug fixes came in, it became difficult for X to start. I often had to power cycle 5 or more times before it worked. I even went so far as to enter a bug in Ubuntu's launchpad for it. Well, I did a clean install of the RC and it's all fixed now. My best guess at the problem is a remnant configuration file or something that didn't get appropriately upgraded or removed in the initial Knot 2 dist-upgrade.
So, in other words, for patient people, you should never have to do a clean install. For us impatient freaks, well, I guess we should know what we're getting into.
On a side note, my crappy Celeron 2.4ghz laptop with an even crappier old Intel graphics chip can run the AIGLX and Beryl Window Manager pretty nicely. Cool (possibly excessive) 3d and transparency FX on a computer that Vista's install program laughs at.
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Re:apt-get dist-upgrade (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Slow News Day *YAWN* (Score:4, Funny)
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No, that's not true (Score:4, Funny)
On the other hand, if I need to get rid of an ass, I'll just tie a carrot to a stick and lead him away.
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init dependencies... (Score:3, Informative)
That's one of the main features of launchd.
Re:Easy upgrade from 6.06? (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:Shipit change (Score:4, Informative)
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That isn't normal (Score:4, Informative)
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