Suse Linux Founder Exits Novell 245
csplinter writes write to tell us that SuSE Linux founder Hubert Mantel has resigned from Novell stating "Too late for me. I just decided to leave Suse/Novell. This is no longer the company I founded 13 years ago." Novell confirmed his resignation but had little else to say on the topic. From the article: "Mantel's departure also comes less than a week after Novell announced a major restructuring that would result in 600 layoffs. It's unclear if Mantel's resignation is related to the restructuring."
"Too Late"? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:13 years for what (Score:3, Interesting)
I love Suse. It's my favorite distro by far.
Time to Fork Suse (Score:3, Interesting)
What Novell is doing here is creating a platform for Ximian and the only way to get any distro to accept Ximian was to buy Suse. This apparently has proven true with Hubert's comments that Ximian had lots of talented people.
Re:13 years for what (Score:5, Interesting)
Same here. I really do not understand staements like "This is no longer the company I founded 13 years ago." Of course it isn't. It is Novel. Novel is an old corporation with a well known corporate culture. Mantel knew that when he sold the company. If he had any illusions, he was just deluding himself. I think the most telling quote in the article is "I'm very confident the Novell management will find a competent successor very quickly. After all, there are lots of extremely skilled people over there in the Ximian division." Sounds to me like corporate infighting and Mantel lost.
Re:13 years for what (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (Score:5, Interesting)
Yet another Novell failure (Score:5, Interesting)
So why no KDE?? (Score:5, Interesting)
No (Score:2, Interesting)
The only reason I decided to try SuSE at all was because they finally had a non-crippled, community driven initiative in SuSE 10.0 OSS. The community is something that will work for them.
Plus, SuSE is more user-friendly than RedHat, and therefore puts more consumers at ease. There is a reason RedHat is mainly a server distro.
Seems like flamebait and troll, but maybe not... (Score:5, Interesting)
Not Unexpected. Next Stop Bankruptcy (Score:4, Interesting)
The warning signs were there when Richard Seibt and a few others left some time ago, as well as other Novell employees who didn't even come from Suse like Alan Nugent. And despite the positive spin [eweek.com] some people in the company have tried to make of this for their own ends, there's no denying that a lot of people from different parts of the company have been layed off. Yes, even a lot of Gnome oriented people have gone, which means that Novell has no resources and people whatsoever to carry out all of those desktop plans some people say they're doing. They're going to need to spend even more money just to tread water and maintain everything. Looks like there's some truth to Kurt Pfeifle's article, and Mantel's swipe that they should be able to find someone talented to replace him as a kernel developer from Ximian is telling.
Novell may end up with no Gnome or KDE at all, or even worse, no Linux. People talk about KDE and Gnome a lot, but the fact is that Novell haven't even moved to Linux - that's where the real problems are. Open Enterprise Server is a bastardised Linux OS with Netware running on top of it. What customer wants that and what's the point?! No one judging from the people not buying it and going Red Hat instead. Unless this new COO really does understand his market, the technology and what's required we're seeing Novell go bust right here. Judging from this he's got the basic concepts of how to make people redundant badly wrong. Get that wrong, throw in the towel because it's not worth the effort. You need the right people on your side, not to alienate them.
Re:The question for Novell is... (Score:3, Interesting)
fork it? (Score:3, Interesting)
Ximian division? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is that a comment on mperhaps the Ximian guys being laid off too? Goddamnit, I like Suse and would hate to see Suse founder with all of the headway they've been making in the community.
Re:13 years for what (Score:3, Interesting)
Finding autoyast to be much more powerful, rpms far easier to deal with and easier build custom ones, kernel easier to patch (when we need to, which is far less often), etc.
While I'd love to actually be able to use anything, even gentoo or something else, I like that we're getting some choice now rather then only 1 distro supported.
Proof? (Score:3, Interesting)
And by what stretch of logic is the above "proven true" by "Hubert's comments that Ximian had lots of talented people." ???
Wish him well (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Sour Grapes (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, will the trend of SuSE being a quality distribution continue? Perhaps not. Things aren't necessarily looking up for SuSE since the acquisition. However, as of now their products are still quite stable, and from my experiences far better than Fedora.
And for your KDE-based distro, look no further than Kubuntu. It offers a solid Debian base with all of the amenities of KDE.
TrollTech has made fantastic contributions. (Score:3, Interesting)
TrollTech has proven time and time again that they do truly care about the open source community. Even ignoring the fantastic contribution of the GPL'ed edition of Qt (on several platforms), they've made many contributions to the open source community. They have done significant work on KDE and Mozilla, for instance. The open source community would be far better off if there were more companies like TrollTech around.
Why is it that you hate TrollTech so much? It's obviously not because of their attitude towards the open source community, since they've been nothing but reasonable, and a gigantic help. Did their product allow a competitor to easily run you out of business? Did Qt render your Motif skills completely irrelevant?
Re:13 years for what (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:13 years for what (Score:1, Interesting)
netware since 4.2 has pretty much a big dissapointment to me
the OS itself is so stale and cobled together at this point, no one develops native netware NLM's anymore and the crap written in java are always stepping over each other for OS time
its just a mess, I manage close to 200 netware servers and each "upgrade" since 4.11/4.2 has been almost a step backward. Especially beyond 5.1
which is a shame because NDS kicks the hell out of AD or openLDAp
Re:13 years for what (Score:3, Interesting)
He may have figured that the combination of a powerful KDE group and a powerful Gnome group would have left the Novell linux group with a powerful one-two punch, but now the two punch (that his group was expecting to deliver) has been pulled behind the back.
Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (Score:1, Interesting)
Ugly to develop with? Is that a technical arguement? I think not. So you have a bug up your ass and have chosen Qt as your widget toolkit of choice because of your emotional feelings. Congratulations sir, you win a cookie with your fabulous technical argument there.
As far as the cost of the Qt license paying for itself? That's for each company to decide for themselves. There's no way for you, a clueless noob, to make that decision for all companies. You don't know every company's resources, technical needs, etc. Again, way to go - once again you try to make a technical argument using nothing but FUD. I applaud you, sir... I didn't think it possible to be this arrogant and self-deluded.
Had Novell used Gtk instead of Qt they'd be firing twice as many people? Really... Wait, this just in: All of Novell's products WERE based on Gtk. Guess that disproves your crack-addled logic.
Once again, you lose.
Game over, chap.
There is a great disturbance in the Force (Score:2, Interesting)
he is an entrepreneur (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:13 years for what (Score:3, Interesting)
Back in the day, I think the only reason Novell tacked on a GUI to NetWare was because of the pressure they were feeling from Windows NT and the new wave of "Admins" who were addicted to the mouse. NetWare 3.12/4.x was *the* file and print solution, and NDS is just so many miles ahead of Active Directory.
We run a cluster of SLES 9 servers, consisting of 4 Itanium2's, 4 x86_64's, 3 IBM Power5's and one x86, and they run flawlessly. No X, no KDE crap, just a barebones minimal install + the 25-or-so server packages we need. Keeping the OS up-to-date has been flawless as well, including Kernel upgrades.
It's nice to have a unified OS for all the hardware platforms we run.
To me, Novell rocks.