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Slackware Linux 10.2 Released 250

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the everyone-remembers-their-first dept.
excelblue writes "Slackware Linux 10.2 has finally been released. This release comes with Linux 2.4.31, with 2.6.13 available in the testing packages and glibc 2.3.5. This time, they've decided to get up with times and switch to Firefox, Thunderbird, and subversion instead of using the Mozilla suite and cvs from the previous distros. Here are Torrents of ISO images."
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Slackware Linux 10.2 Released

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  • by richlv (778496) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @08:46AM (#13565463)
    well, if i understood this submission correctly, it implies that mozilla & cvs now are missing - that's not true.

    it contains mozilla-1.7.11 and cvs-1.11.20

    at least in latest-current that should be identical to 10.2 :)
  • by Rob_Ogilvie (872621) <rob@axpr.net> on Thursday September 15, 2005 @08:51AM (#13565499) Homepage
    slamd64 [slamd64.com] has been released with many quite similar changes. What a coincidence, 'eh? Grab [slamd64.com] it now if your CPU is of the x86-64 persuation.
  • Up with the times (Score:5, Informative)

    by bwaynef (692229) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @08:52AM (#13565504) Journal
    Re: up with the times... Slackware has never tried to be up with the times. They're just now allowing 2.6 kernel (from the installer). Firefox is still a 1.0.x release so its not as stable as the mozilla suite has been (though its pretty good). I think Pat just lets everyone else work out the bugs before he incorporates it into his release. Stability and Ease of Use.
  • by millwall (622730) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @08:52AM (#13565509)
    Well, from the announcement :
    A precompiled Linux 2.6.13 kernel, modules, and source code are provided (along with complete instructions on how to install the new kernel).
  • by Punk Walrus (582794) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @08:57AM (#13565543) Journal
    I'm still waiting for "Slackware Enterprise Linux" to come out.

    Slackware has 28 distros based on it [distrowatch.com] (29 if you include the new PocketLinux [gnulinux.de]), some of which are trying to be "Enterprise Level."

  • by p.rican (643452) <spammesilly@g m a i l.com> on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:12AM (#13565625)
    (yes I still don't know how to uninstall a generic packages..like when I download something, untar; make; make install : where can I find out where it put all it's stuff?)
    Try this:

    user@darkstar $ whereis <packagename>

    or as root:

    root@darkstar # updatedb
    root@darkstar # locate <packagename>

    Hope that helps. Slackware subscriber since 7.0

  • Re:YAY! (Score:2, Informative)

    by [Galaxie] (40909) <mike@locals.CURIEca minus physicist> on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:14AM (#13565637) Homepage
    haven't heard of swaret? give it a try sometime, you might be suprised on how easy package and dependancy management is.
  • by richlv (778496) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:23AM (#13565704)
    um, if they are compiled for 486, shouldn't they run just fine on pentium ?
    and how does ram amount affect cpu optimisation choice ?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:24AM (#13565710)
    Is the snappiest distro out there in terms of overall responsiveness?

    Yes.

    True that it is the oldest Linux distro?

    No.

    If so why does it not seem to have the mind share that Fedora, SuSE, Mandriva and [K]ubuntu appear to enjoy?

    Because Slack is the most unforgivingly Unix-like of all the distros. If you want to use Slackware, you'd better be ready to spend a lot of time at the command line, compiling, swearing, and learning more about your OS and your computer than you ever wanted to know.
  • Vector Linux (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:37AM (#13565801)
    Vector Linux, based on Slackware, is the best personal-use distro I've seen. Got all of Slack's stability, basic package management system that doesn't try to do anything for you, but set up a bit more for desktop use. And it's FAST, the fastest binary-based distro I know of by a long shot.

    http://www.vectorlinux.com/ [vectorlinux.com]

    Now I just need to wait for them to update so they're compatible with 10.2...
  • by a.different.perspect (817184) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:38AM (#13565808) Journal
    Thanks. I assume you mean this [slackware.com]?

    From the changelog, and for anyone else interested:

    gnome/*: Removed from -current, and turned over to community support and distribution. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons behind this, but it's been under consideration for more than four years. There are already good projects in place to provide Slackware GNOME for those who want it, and these are more complete than what Slackware has shipped in the past. So, if you're looking for GNOME for Slackware -current, I would recommend looking at these two projects for well-built packages that follow a policy of minimal interference with the base Slackware system:

    http://gsb.sf.net/ [sf.net] http://gware.sf.net/ [sf.net]

    There is also Dropline, of course, which is quite popular. However, due to their policy of adding PAM and replacing large system packages (like the entire X11 system) with their own versions, I can't give quite the same sort of nod to Dropline. Nevertheless, it remains another choice, and it's _your_ system, so I will also mention their project:

    http://www.dropline.net/gnome/ [dropline.net]

    Please do not incorrectly interpret any of this as a slight against GNOME itself, which (although it does usually need to be fixed and polished beyond the way it ships from upstream more so than, say, KDE or XFce) is a decent desktop choice. So are a lot of others, but Slackware does not need to ship every choice. GNOME is and always has been a moving target (even the "stable" releases usually aren't quite ready yet) that really does demand a team to keep up on all the changes (many of which are not always well documented). I fully expect that this move will improve the quality of both Slackware itself, and the quality (and quantity) of the GNOME options available for it.

    Folks, this is how open source is supposed to work. Enjoy. :-)


    I'll look into the alternatives, though it's still sad I won't be able to depend on their stability as I would the base system.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:40AM (#13565824)
    The real purpose of Slack (at least as far as i'm aware) has always been so Pat could poke around with a Linux distribution of his own back when there weren't many more than Yggdrasil and one or two others. He kept using it I assume because it's what best fit his tastes as far as security, simplicity and size is concerned.

    Slackware does not try to be like UNIX. If it did, it would have no documentation, no support, never update its packages and arrive at work in a nondescript brown paper bag.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:43AM (#13565846)
    He had Actinomycosis.
    Brave guy to keep working as sick as he was.
    You can rad about it here-
    http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004/11/17_0_slackwar e_PAT/ [linuxreviews.org]
  • Re:YAY! (Score:2, Informative)

    by Beek (10414) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:53AM (#13565930) Homepage
    When I compile a program, I put everything in it's own directory in /opt (use the --prefix option when you run the configure script)
    It makes for some long PATH and MANPATH variables, but it works for me
    Since there are only 20-ish extra programs that I need, I find it quite managable
  • Re:YAY! (Score:4, Informative)

    by MikeDawg (721537) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @09:59AM (#13565979) Homepage Journal
    Too bad there isn't a "completr lack of package management". pkgtool is a package management tool, it scares me to think you admin 120 boxes, and you aren't familiar with the pkgtools suite of tools.
  • Re:YAY! (Score:4, Informative)

    by MikeDawg (721537) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:07AM (#13566047) Homepage Journal
    There isn't a complete lack of package mangement, it is the pkgtool suite (upgradepkg, installpkg, removepkg, etc.). That is one thing I like about Slackware, you should look to see what the dependencies are. The problem I've been having administrating Red Hat machines is the endless levels of dependencies that are compile against any random package. It is like a slippery slope installing a package on Red Hat, when it would be easier just to compile stuff from source, or not link it against so many things.

    Such that to install package a, you need to install package b, which requires packages c and d, which also require additional packages. Compiling from source can be less time intensive if you ask me.
  • Magnet URI links (Score:3, Informative)

    by Danathar (267989) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:19AM (#13566165) Journal
    Here are the Magnet URI links. The trackers are having problems. Connect this way...

    Note that slashdot mangles URI's so ther is NO space before the last two charachters like it prints here...just get rid of the space

    Disk 1
    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:YYXZAJR2B3WFBOZCWCFXUSZBOA2MRA 5L

    Disk 2
    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:YWPGO6H445YQILY5A5XYGSZATPQCPW ES

    Disk3 Source
    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FVUYDWUGGYSDXS3CH6KU4SDOEJIJKQ ZK

    Disk 4 Source and Extras
    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:PVCGFALOO52JJOSEHJA7YCIHHWERHG SN
  • Re:YAY! (Score:3, Informative)

    by Lumpy (12016) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:21AM (#13566184) Homepage
    not just for admins! Slackware completely and totally rocks for the real nitty gritty linux tasks like embedded linux development.

    I can create a testing linux install in less than 20 meg with slackware as it is. using slack on my development pc makes it easier to make the embedded linux device work through the testing phases and I have only been able to get cross compiling and uclibc cross compile to work easily under slackware instead of the rpm or deb based setups. it's great when you download GCC and simply type ./configure; make; make install and it works instead of a convoluted string of modifications so that things go where some nutcase thinks they should go in other distros.

    Slackware is the #1 choice for people wanting to really tinker on the bleeding edge but not have to have a ream of paper telling you what changes and command line switches to have to se so that app will install correctly on the distro that does not follow the software developers wishes.

    I also found it's easier to design your own embedded distros under slackware than under mandrake,fedora,ubuntoo, etc... (never had the time to dink with gentoo)

    i equal slackware to other commercial unices for heavy design work.. it's just easier in it.

    granted, my servers at home run centOS, my desktops use Mandriva but for the real nitty gritty, it's slackware...

    like today, I'm hacking the firmware/linux install on this 4 video input Ethernet video device I found on ebay. and am 1/2 way to getting a tiny slackware install running on it for a complete redesign of how the thing works.
  • Checkinstall (Score:4, Informative)

    by Gleng (537516) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:23AM (#13566213)

    Checkinstall [freshmeat.net] is your friend. You'll never have to type "make install" again. Instead, run checkinstall at the "make install" stage, and it builds a package for your distro (it handles .rpm, .deb, and .tgz based distros) and installs it. You can then just use your distro's package management tool, in Slack's case pkgtool, to remove it at a later time.

    I think it's in the extras directory on the second Slack CD, if memory serves correctly.

  • by SimilarityEngine (892055) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:23AM (#13566215)
    According to good old Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], Slackware is not quite the oldest distro. The earliest were MCC Interim Linux, TAMU and SLS (Softlanding Linux System). AFAIK Slackware is, however, the oldest distro that is still under active development.
  • by kosibar (671097) <slashdot.teneblok@com> on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:27AM (#13566248)
    I've been installing Slackware from bootable CDs for a number of years now. Making a boot floppy isn't as easy as it was in the past either because kernels and such have grown beyond the space limitations of a floppy.

    Burn the ISO to CD and boot it. Disc 2 has (at least in the past) a number of troubleshooting tools on it when you boot. It's sort of a rescue disc. (I say at least in the past because my 10.1 discs are not working that way, though I suspect it is a bad burn.)

    I was looking for the point at which they switched to bootable CDs and more info on the boot/root floppy situation, but Slackware.com is coming up blank. Maybe somebody else knows.

    Rich
  • by Budenny (888916) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:29AM (#13566273)
    Vector Soho, a slackware derivative, is worth looking at. KDE, OpenOffice etc. As fast and light as you can be, with KDE. Has the very nice personal database package tellico with it. A collection manager, but you can customise it to be anything you want. In a small office environment this is a very reasonable choice on older hardware. Installs very easily. You can get used compaqs or dells with P3s and run this stuff quite acceptably fast, and be very secure and stable. Easier for ordinary users not to have multiple file managers, mail clients etc. Great for charities and small low budget educational insititutions.
  • by lelkes (884952) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:35AM (#13566299)
    Slackware is the oldest maintained distribution, Slackware 1.000 was released on July 16, 1993. The first Linux distro was MCC , which was made available to the public for download on the ftp server of University of Manchester in February, 1992, and the second was SLS (founded in mid-1992). Pat decided to modify SLS. He called the finished work Slackware. That's it.
  • No More Gnome (Score:3, Informative)

    by bender647 (705126) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:42AM (#13566352)
    I follow slackware-current, so I guess as of today I am running 10.2. I find the development (-current) version of Slackware more stable than the "enterprise" distros I am forced to use at work.

    Anyways, I thought I'd mention that this is the first official release of Slackware in which there is no Gnome. Patrick has (perhaps wisely) left Gnome to be an add-on supported by 3rd parties.

  • by CatsupBoy (825578) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:43AM (#13566356)
    Come on, i'm tired of hearing the same old misconceptions about slackware here on /. (wait, i think thats why i stick around)

    MISCONCEPTIONS
    1: Slackware doesnt have a package management system
    FALSE: Slackware uses a very simple package management system that accomplishes two things. 1. it allows you to track files installed. 2. allows you to upgrade to newer versions (yes there is versioning). And as a bonus, your not bogged down with dependancies.... oh wait you want cyclical dependancies???
    2: Slackware is outdated/behind the times.
    FALSE: Why? because it still uses 2.4 kernel? Please! stability is the issue here. Purchase a RedHat Advanced server and you'll find it STILL uses 2.4. You cant please everyone all the time, but you can still produce a quality product with proven technology.
    3: Slackware is too hard to use for newbies and/or my grandparents
    AD-HOMINIM: This argument is too often used against Slackware in general. For what it is, an "everything is a file" operating system, you must expect to have to get to the command line eventually. If your using it as a server in place of another Unix OS, its not any harder to manage. If your using it to replace RedHat or SuSe, still, its not any harder, and with the added bonus that you dont have as much bloat (did i mention cyclical dependancies?).
    4: Pat is a selfish dictator and I dont like his direction
    TRUE: So is Linus Torvolds, and as far as direction, every company, ceo, lead developer must make thier own decisions and you just cant please everyone all the time.

    Before the mods make me -1 troll, let me just say Slackware is not perfect, but nothing is. I dont like the fact that PAM will probably never be added :(

    I use it as a desktop and a server. My servers are usually stripped down and single serve boxes, and slackware is a perfect fit. By trade, I work with Solaris, AIX, and RedHat. The only reason I dont push Slack at work is that my company wants to spend the money to have a finger to point at (specifically a large company to point at) when a problem arises.

    But in the 5 years i've been using slackware, I've never encountered a show stopper.
  • Re:YAY! (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:45AM (#13566369)
    >yes I still don't know how to uninstall a generic
    >packages..like when I download something, untar;
    >make; make install : where can I find out where it
    >put all it's stuff?

    For source packages, try GNU Source Installer:
    http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall/sourcein stall.html [gnu.org]

    Then you can say:

    $ sourceinstall --add whatever.tar.gz

    or

    $ tar -zxvf whatever.tar.gz
    $ sourceinstall --add whatever/

    and then you can get the list of all installed files:

    $ sourceinstall --check whatever

    But you do not need it if you just want to remove it:

    $ sourceinstall --remove whatever

    If you want the whizzy GUI you can run

    $ sourceinstall

    without args.

  • by Gleng (537516) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:45AM (#13566371)

    Just use swaret [sourceforge.net] to upgrade your box to either 10.2 or current. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15, 2005 @10:59AM (#13566513)
    Look into checkinstall. You do ./configure; make; checkinstall -si -S; and it tracks all the files that get installed, and makes a nice slackware tgz package you can install with installpkg (and later remove with removepkg).
  • /usr/local (Score:3, Informative)

    by toby (759) * on Thursday September 15, 2005 @11:30AM (#13566860) Homepage Journal
    yes I still don't know how to uninstall a generic packages..like when I download something, untar; make; make install : where can I find out where it put all it's stuff?

    There have been de facto standards for this for decades, and standard layouts for Linux for years. If package developers pick random install locations, that's their foolishness. (This applies to any O/S, not just Linux.)

    Having a database/registry of where an application put's it's files is a damn good idea.

    Having standard places is equally important.

  • Re:Checkinstall (Score:2, Informative)

    by program21 (469995) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @11:35AM (#13566920) Homepage Journal
    It's a great idea; it's just a shame that it's never worked for me. It does "make install," prompts for the package info, and created a .TGZ package--with only the description. It's somewhat useful for just keeping track of what version of something is installed, but since the packages are devoid of actual files, it's less than useful for actual upgrades.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15, 2005 @01:09PM (#13567775)
    They are compiled to run on a minimum of a i486, but optimiszed for the i686 (ie gcc flags -march=i486 -mcpu=i686)

    The amount of RAM really should make no difference unless you start looking at the other types of flags .

     
  • by TTK Ciar (698795) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @02:57PM (#13569091) Homepage Journal

    lack of good automatic package management, [..] lack of all the advanced stuff like Project Utopia

    By omitting nonessential bells and whistles, Patrick Volkerding doesn't have to waste his time and energy QA'ing them. He puts more QA hours into features essential to the operation of a production server, instead. This is of critical importance. QA effort cannot entirely eliminate the bugs and incompatabilities within and between packages, but the more hours are spent doing it the closer the distribution can get to this ideal form. Stability and security are the most essential characteristics of a production server.

    lack of newbie-friendly administration tools

    Don't need them. You may be right that their absence has prevented newcomers from adopting Slackware, though. It would be nice if more companies based their services on Slackware machines -- their services would be more robust, my skills would be more in demand :-) and it would result in more third-party QA'ing of Slackware packages. But I can't bring myself to care too much because the more popular Slackware has become over the years, the more packages Patrick has agreed to incorporate into the distribution to satisfy a wider audience. "More packages" is bad because ...

    the relatively small selection of official packages

    "More packages" is bad because the number of relations between packages increases in proportion to the square of the number of packages, and the number of incompatabilities between packages is proportional to this number of relations. The smaller the package set, the more effective Patrick's QA hours are at weeding out incompatabilities in the distribution as a whole. In fact I think Slackware has gotten somewhat overbloated with packages, and would welcome a little trimming of the fat. (Of course, what I consider fat might be necessary to someone else's business, so perhaps it's best that this is left up to Patrick, who gets a more gestalt picture.)

    As an aside, I suspect what is hurting Slackware's wider adoption the most are its de-emphasis on desktop environments (it actually does pretty well at this, just not as well as some other distributions) and the popular misconception that the newest possible version of software is necessarily the best. In my experience, the decision to press a distribution into production service is often driven by what the IT elite at the company have running on their desktops. (This is more true in small companies, and less true in larger companies, where issues like availability of support by contract are more important. Though, here too Slackware comes up short.) Since Slackware holds little appeal to the desktop user, it does not take advantage of this vector. Also, since Patrick follows the sound, traditional practice of selecting for inclusion only those versions of software which are stable, the software which ships with Slackware is usually not the newest. If you look at the Slackware changelog, you can see various notes of the form "foo version x.y.13 exhibited such-and-such problems, reverted back to foo version x.y.12". Which is the way it should be done.

    Inserting gratuitous plug here for my Code of Engineering [ciar.org].

    -- TTK

  • by Alan Hicks (660661) on Thursday September 15, 2005 @03:35PM (#13569426) Homepage
    I was looking for the point at which they switched to bootable CDs and more info on the boot/root floppy situation, but Slackware.com is coming up blank. Maybe somebody else knows.

    Ask and ye shall recieve.

    Slackware has had bootable CDs since at least 3.9/4.0 (4.0 was basically 3.9 with a 2.2 kernel) using floppy emulation all the way up to 8.0 (which gave you a choice of a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel). Starting with 8.1, Slackware has used el torito (I think I spelled that right) bootable CD images. Lots of older BIOS's won't boot an el torito CD, so I always keep one 8.0 live CD handy for rescue operations on those. IIRC, some AMD64 724-in motherboards shipping with a flakey BIOS that didn't like el torito CDs either. Again, IIRC, these were mostly Emachines, which would explain everything.

  • Re:No DVD ISO? (Score:3, Informative)

    by dadragon (177695) on Wednesday September 21, 2005 @03:30AM (#13611706) Homepage
    DVD ISO Torrent [thepiratebay.org]

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