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Server Makers Push Linux 100

Posted by CmdrTaco from the thats-a-huge-shocker dept.
Rob writes "The bi-annual LinuxWorld trade show is under way this week in San Francisco, and once again the major platform makers are swearing their fealty to Linux and trying to figure out any angle they can to use Linux as a lever to wrest sales away from their competition and money out of their customer bases. The Linux market has largely proven itself (even if it is still dwarfed by Windows and Unix), and now the major server makers are getting down to the brass tacks of marketing as well as broadening and deepening their support of Linux on their platforms." Also FYI, I will be attending the Slashdot BOF session on Wednesday and answering questions. I'm hoping to be able to show people a good demo of Slashdot in CSS!
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Server Makers Push Linux More

Server Makers Push Linux

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  • CSS?? Slashdot? Godzirrrrra!! (Score:5, Funny)

    by reidman ( 563291 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @12:57PM (#13270714) Homepage
    Slashdot in CSS? I feel the very foundations of the earth trembling...
  • I would think that Linux has the best chance of gaining footing in the OS struggle through server software. While linux would be impractical for my grandmother (due to her lack of computer knowledge), that isn't a hurdle for sysadmins and the likes. Ossus

    • Re:Servers Might give Linux the Edge (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Nice FUD attempt.

      My mother turned 60 last week, and she has been using Redhat just fine for over 3 years now. My time wasted supporting her PC problems has dropped to a single incident, which was when her ISP changed their dial-up number without notification (according to her).

      I no longer have to clean out her spyware, fix virus problems, or any other crap my life was being wasted on when she used to use windows. And should anything require support, I can do it remotely as long as she can connect to the Net
      • I'm happy, she's happy. So cut the BS about grandmothers unable to cope with "Linux".

        Well, I'm not a grandmother. In fact I used to be a programmer. How about telling me what I'm supposed to do in Ubuntu when I install a new application, then there's no way to start it? I ran into that nice little problem twice just this morning. This is just one reason why Linux is just on my "fun box". I would never use it as is for anything important.
        • I too used to be a programmer, as well as end-user software support, in-house software testing, end-user hardware support, working from DOS to OS/2 to Windows XP. Cable modem, DSL, Ethernet, Token Ring, etc. In all cases, 99.9% of the user base is willfully clueless on technology and why should they not be to some degree? Do you need to be able to speed read an Audell's manual before you can drive a car?

          Windows is INFINITELY EASIER for end-users than Linux ever has been and ever will be if the Linux crowd
      • I no longer have to clean out her spyware, fix virus problems, or any other crap my life was being wasted on when she used to use windows. And should anything require support, I can do it remotely as long as she can connect to the Net.

        Funny, I manage to achieve all that with my mother's computer running Windows.

    • you think
      your grandmother has to learn the things she wants to do anyway
      and it is not harder to write a letter or email and to surf the web with linux than with windows
      it might be a bit of trouble to install but i don't think your grandma will install windows by her self
      but a windows sysadmin comes with his windows knowledge and thinks he knows how things are supposed to work
      he may be able to learn or not
      but it is not easy to bring a company with windows to use linux if they had to hire additional peo
    • I don't know about yours, but my grandmother is an avid Gentoo user for over a year now.

  • Fealty? (Score:3, Funny)

    by saskboy ( 600063 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @01:01PM (#13270765) Homepage Journal
    "swearing their fealty to Linux"

    With highbrow language like that, Linux is going to acquire a reputation as the OS of snobs. That's not good.

    I guess swearing fealty is better than opening a sealed OEM package though, you retain more of your rights.

  • Sweet... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Mad_Rain ( 674268 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @01:01PM (#13270776) Journal
    Also FYI, I will be attending the Slashdot BOF session on Wednesday and answering questions. I'm hoping to be able to show people a good demo of Slashdot in CSS!

    Isn't it enough that we bitch and moan about how slashdot works now? Are you sure you want to be trolled in person? ;)
    • Of course, they are pushing Linux: The cost of Windows OS software is a significant percentage of the cost of a physical server. Most servers are dedicated to running a specialty product, so why spend money on tons of components that are not being used on that specific server anyway? A Web server just needs freeware Apache and it's far more secure than its IIS counterpart. Why buy COM+, .Net and all the other non-secure garbage you don't want? Doug Hettinger www.SoftwareObjectz.com

  • Don't forget (Score:5, Funny)

    by gowen ( 141411 ) <gwowen@gmail.com> on Monday August 08, 2005 @01:03PM (#13270802) Homepage Journal
    I will be attending the Slashdot BOF session on Wednesday and answering questions.
    Please, please, please, could everyone at this session please just ask the same duplicate question over and over again.
  • ...to see Slashdot in CSS. It will be legendary, if they manage to pull that out.

    I still do not believe, but I am willing to pay whatever fees just to see that!

  • CSS (Score:5, Informative)

    by jericho4.0 ( 565125 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @01:03PM (#13270812)
    We've alread seen /. in CSS [alistapart.com].
  • I have a couple of window machines. I have a few Linux machines. But, I will [b]NOT[/b] use a Windows machine for a web server. One of my machines is a Mandrake 9 box running Apache.

    It's absolutely awesome, and 100% reliable.

    But more than anything else, I don't have to worry about my shit getting hackified. Well, obviously there is always a chance. But, I know it's a helluva lot more secure than any Windows ISS server.

    I know I'm not even a zit on the butt of the internet in terms of the stuff I s

    • You say that you won't use a windows machine for a webserver, i can see why and i agree. But you break your own argument when you say that you use a mandrake GNU/Linux box as a webserver, that is, if you talk about ethical issues, a mandrake box is ok, but technically, it has most of the major flaws in windows. For a webserver, i would definately run a GNU box, but not one that tries to emulate windows, and in the process gains all it's issues.
      • What major technical flaws of Windows does Mandrake have? I've been using it since 8.2, and I've never had those kinds of technical issues with it. The only real pain in the ass I've continually had to fight is dependency hell, which is inevitable if your RPM source doesn't happen to have a package you want.

        The only way Mandrake emulates Windows in the look and feel of things, which you can completely rewrite in Configure your Desktop -> Look & Feel if you wish. As a server, it is powerful and sta
        • Why does your webserver have a locally attached GUI? Can't you manage it from a machine dedicated to the task of being a workstation?
          • 'Cause I had a monitor sitting around and the computer I used as a server has a builtin video card. Indeed, I do most maintainence/web writing from my desktop via an SSH terminal. On occasion, it can be useful to have remote GUI display though.
        • Mandrake is a distro with tools that tries to do many tasks automatically, it's init scripts are a mess, and really a pain in the ass to modify manually, there are many parts of the system that can only be modified trough a GUI, since, if you modify them manually, when you reboot the system will ignore your changes and rewrite the file (based on it's own database), also, it's a distro designed so you have to use the provided packages, when you start compiling things on top of the distro, and replace existin
          • I don't know about manually modifying the init scripts; I'll just have to take your word for it. But I do know that you can just as easily use a text editor on /etc/ to configure Mandrake as Drakconf - I've never seen it overwrite things based on a second database. And I've never had problems dropping in updated versions of programs, either from RPMs or from source, either.

            In the end, I prefer some things to be automated. Not all things, not nothing. I like that one command will update the entire system,
            • Off course it's ok for your home, or for some small setups, but if you are, as i said in my post, a _real_ sysadmin, and you administrate a _real_ network, you need a real Unix, and currently, that means Slackware, OpenBSD or FreeBSD.
    • But, I will [b]NOT[/b] use a Windows machine for a web server. Sure. Except that your personal site is hosted on Win2k/IIS. D'oh. Nice try though!

  • Erph (Score:5, Interesting)

    by B3ryllium ( 571199 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @01:07PM (#13270848) Homepage
    I can't wait for the day when evangalism gives way to common sense and rational thought. A day when the Slashdot crowd can discuss this topic with equal thought and consideration to both sides of the fence.

    What I mean is, I use Linux daily at work - a stripped-down workstation thin client platform that I maintain - and it's simple. I've had experience doing the same sort of thing with Windows 2000 (well, not Terminal Services style, but participating in a domain with roaming profiles and locked-down policies), and it was just a nightmare. But that said, Windows does have its high points. Usability isn't necessarily one of them, nor is interoperatbility/server reliabilitiy, but for many offices it does a bang-up job of getting stuff done.

    I prefer to use the right tool for the job, and I think for this particular post, it's sort of a no-brainer that Linux/FreeBSD are the right tools for the job. Or, to put it in an OS War context, Linux/FreeBSD are perfect for the Big Iron, and somewhat adaptable to the Small Iron, but Windows tries and, generally, succeeds at the Small Iron.

    Personally, I prefer FreeBSD, but according to Netcraft, it's just me.

  • The Summer of the Apocalypse (Score:5, Funny)

    by DrHogie ( 8093 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @01:07PM (#13270853) Homepage Journal
    First Microsoft switches the XBox to PowerPC chips.

    Then Apple switches to Intel processors.

    Next, Apple comes out with a multi-button mouse.

    Now you're trying to tell me Slashdot is FINALLY switching to CSS?

    *runs to a fallout shelter stocked up with beans and bullets*
  • The Linux market has largely proven itself (even if it is still dwarfed by Windows and Unix)

    Linux is "dwarfed by Unix"? Can someone explain how that works?

    • Re:Uhm... (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Chemicalscum ( 525689 )
      Has anyone got any reliable installed base figures?

      • Re:Uhm... (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Nos. ( 179609 )
        Well, at my desk at work, I have one Windows (XP) box, one Linux (FC3), and one Sun Ultra 10 with Solaris. So, they're all about even on this reliable installed base.

    • Re:Uhm... (Score:3, Informative)

      by colins ( 432 )
      They're probably looking at the market in terms of revenue, instead of the number of installed seats.

      At about $3.5 million for a 72 processor E25K from Sun, it takes a lot of dual processor Xeon sales to catch up.

      According to IDC (http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS001 53905 [idc.com]) the revenue in Q1 2005 was about $4.2 billion each for Unix and Windows servers (the first time Windows has pulled even with Unix), and $1.2 billion for Linux server.

      So the Unix and Windows markets in terms of server reven

  • Windows (Score:4, Funny)

    by Vandilizer ( 201798 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @01:14PM (#13270917)
    Slashdot in CCS

    will it be Internet Explorer 7 Complient?

    Mahaha......

    Sory my bad... had a moment...

  • It's about time (Score:2, Insightful)

    by thatedeguy ( 896452 )
    With the reliability and up-time of UNIX servers and the usability of Linux, it was only a matter of time before this happened and I for one am glad it did.

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