Debian 3.1 (Sarge) Released 411
Mister Furious writes "First, Apple switches to Intel, and now, equally shocking: Debian Sarge is released! Hell has officially frozen over! The scoop is from debian-administration.org: "The new Debian stable release, codenamed Sarge, has officially been released today. Several years of development since the last stable release, Woody, was released on the 9th of July, 2002 over a thousand developers around the world have helped make this release possible." Changes include Gnome 2.8, Firefox 1.0.4, Thunderbird 1.0.2, Apache 2.0.54 (1.3.33 is still available, too!), Postgresql 7.4.7, and more. The news hasn't hit the main Debian GNU/Linux site as of this article's posting. Congratulations to all of the Debian developers and contributors. Thanks for all your hard work and for a great distro!" Here's a link to the Debian Stable "Release" file.
Espectr0 points out an article about the release at Linux Compatible, writing "It is available on 14 (!) CD's or 2 DVD's. It includes XFree86 4.3, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, Kernel 2.4.27, GCC 3.3.5, OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 and much others."
Re:Congrats! (Score:2, Insightful)
Just wait another two years when others are running things like Fedora Core 7 and Sarge is looking like he needs a furlough.
Re:Bill gates alert! (Score:2, Insightful)
Don't you guys ever get tired of this particular bit of silliness?
So tell me, how many CDs do you need for propriatary software? A quick jog down the aisles of Best Buy infers quite a large number; and at a rather higher cost than for just the blank media.
KFG
Re:Guess what? It is. (Score:5, Insightful)
packages on the cds (i belive cd1 is an exception getting special criteria) are placed onto cds by popcon (an optional package that reports back what packages you have installed) output so the high cds will contain really obscure stuff
the only time i'd even consider getting or making a full cd set is if i knew i was going to be away from the net for a long time.
if you have a net connection just use either the buisnesscard (base system and full selection of kernels) the netinst (base system and stuff you need for the standard "tasks") or the full cd1. don't bother with the other cds.
Re:Coincidence? (Score:3, Insightful)
autoconf is a quick and dirty hack that has put decent source and library package management back decades. There's nothing "proper" about it, it's just the most popular kid in town.
Re:Coincidence? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why do you say that?
Can you please cite some examples where autoconf is lacking and provide cases where there is an existing software which addresses this shortcoming?
I know it's very easy to make a statement that something is bad, but to be truely useful information it helps to provide specifics.
Re:Postgresql 7.4.7 (Score:4, Insightful)
Never use a "point zero" release on something you want to work all the time.
In this case it might be prudent to wait until 8.0 has a bit more shake-down before you convert all your databases to it.
Re:My next three commands... (Score:3, Insightful)
unless you're running as root (bad, bad, BAD!!!!) I think you're forgetting something :)
Well, at first I saw your handle and figured you were just some Ubuntu-n00b that got told "root's bad, mmkay?" and figured it was now his right as a newly-1337 assclown to go around and scold people for this shit.
But then I looked at the number by that handle, and realized that it is far, far too low. Ubuntu wasn't even a glimmer in Debian's eye when you signed up.
So....you've got no excuse. And I must answer:
Hey pencil-dick! It's my fucking server, and I'll run as fucking root when I fucking feel like it! I'll hack up my sudoers file, add your mother to wheel, and just generally break your dumbass procedural rules! And you'll goddamned well like it, because I pay attention to what the fuck I do as root, at least as much as you asspirates pay attention when you strap "sudo" on the frontend of every damn thing and act like it's somehow safer. So piss off!
(Sorry everybody. But that's really getting to be one of my hotbuttons. Whoever up and decided that it was better to give every fucking user sudo access and then tell everybody never to su should be shot.)
Re:This is new? (Score:2, Insightful)
How about... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:My next three commands... (Score:3, Insightful)
You're correct. I'm not an Ubuntu-n00b. My nick is from the poem "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came."
You are also making the assumption that I am one of those people (your exact terminology was "asspirate") that think everyone should have sudo access.
And lastly: My god man! Get a grip, it was only a joke. Develop some coping skills please.
Re:Coincidence? (Score:3, Insightful)
That's not true. The Debian X package maintainers ("strike force") are working on preparing a mostly-monolithic release of X.Org 6.8.2 right now [deadbeast.net]. xprint is already separately maintained and will not be supplied from the X.Org monolithic tree, and xterm may be split off too. Josh Triplett is working on packaging the libraries, but Debian's not planning on waiting for that to happen before releasing X.Org, at least to experimental.
I think debian was the first distro to announce a switch to xorg, though I may be wrong.
Debian was certainly one of the first. Branden Robinson raised concerns about the freenees of the new XFree86 license almost immediately. No one in the Debian camp was happy with the new license, so the decision to switch to X.Org was pretty much made for Debian by XFree86 itself.
In order to get off the ground quickly, xorg has been releasing versions based on xmkmf that have only really been tested on x86 and ppc.
That's not a serious problem for Debian, which has been building xfree86 4.3.0 for all the architectures in sarge (arm, alpha, i386, ia64, powerpc, mips, mipsel, sparc, s390, m68k, hppa) plus amd64 and i386 versions of freebsd/netbsd and GNU Hurd for years. Most if not all of the patches made for portability's sake have been submitted various to the XFree86 Project and/or freedesktop.org over the years.
That's great, and means 90% of the people reading this can run xorg now instead of waiting six months for a non-legacy version.
A guy named Andres Salomon has extremely unofficial packages of X.Org for Debian unstable available now, or (with some difficulty) people can use Ubuntu's. The people who have an immediate need for something that works can get that need filled. Official packages which provide a little more polish and have had more eyes on them will take care of the rest of the people.
It's possible that the new "volatile" distribution of Debian, intended to bolt onto the now-released sarge and provide updates for non-release-critical problems (like new hardware databases, spam/virus filter rules, device drivers, etc.) might be able to house a stripped-down xserver-xorg-only package in the near future to service the video hardware out there that Debian's xfree86 4.3.0 (with several backported and updated drivers) won't.
Debian has been about doing things right, and waiting until they can do things right. They don't want to change to the transitional version of xorg and then change to the non-legacy version of xorg in six months.
Actually if you follow the debian-x [debian.org] mailing list, you'll see that Debian is prepared to cope with that.
When xorg gets around to a proper build script based around configure, and starts supporting all the architectures of xfree86, then debian will switch to them.
Debian isn't waiting on that to happen. The sooner it does, the better, but Debian doesn't want to tie its schedule to X.Org's. I agree that Debian's hell-bent on getting things right, though, even though some people characterise their efforts at regression testing as pointless [debian.org].
David Nusinow and Branden Robinson (and it looks like Nathaniel Nerode is joining them) are doing most of the work to prepare X.Org 6.8.2 for Debian release. It draws in part from the Ubuntu packages, but not entirely. A Canonical employee named Daniel Stone, who contributed to Debian's XFree86 4.3.0 packages a couple of years ago but then started [google.com]