New Releases for Debian and SUSE 223
linuxbeta writes "With the recent SUSE LINUX 9.3 Live DVD ISO released, we get a sneak peek. (screenshots) of this much anticipated OS update. Cool updates in 9.3 includes Firefox 1.0, OpenOffice.org 2.0, Gimp 2.2, Beagle. Xen, VoIP client, and more." And while Debian's Sarge isn't here yet (give Branden Robinson a chance to find his plush new office!), wrochal points out that the fifth update to Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 ("Woody" ) has arrived. 3.0 (r5) "mainly adds security updates to the stable release, along with a few corrections to serious problems." Also, four packages were removed, three for license violations.
OpenOffice 2.0????? Isn't it in beta still? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The fourth package's removal reason? (Score:5, Informative)
I guess that's an acceptable reason.
Re:Removed packages? (Score:1, Informative)
this is a maintenance release.
unfortunatly.
Re:Way to stay on the edge.. (Score:1, Informative)
Re:The fourth package's removal reason? (Score:1, Informative)
Let's clear something up right now (Score:5, Informative)
mp3s work out of the box using Juk.
I watch DVDs using MPlayer which I installed using the apt port for Suse.
There are 4 mulitmedia packs you can download from Suse using Yast.
Understand?
Re:Multimedia (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Multimedia (Score:1, Informative)
Whether you care or not is your problem, but Linux distros tend to be picky about this copyright stuff.
Torrent (Score:5, Informative)
torrent link [isohunt.com]
Re:OpenOffice 2.0????? Isn't it in beta still? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The fourth package's removal reason? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:can we get a torrent for the Live ISO..? (Score:2, Informative)
Re: Let's clear something up right now (Score:3, Informative)
A little more on the multimedia debacle (Score:5, Informative)
1) Turbolinux, a distribution with a lot less mindshare and less money can afford to ship you a legal DVD player for $69 but somehow Novell cannot do so?
1a) Unless you are a corporate buyer, you see HP's Suse notebook comes preloaded with PowerDVD.
2) Slide two of the Suse silliness presentation is not that they not ship multimedia codecs out of the box. If that were our only problem. Debian, Red Hat and Mandrake do not ship libdvdcss or any of the other codecs, but once you add them, your existing Totem or Kaffeine players play.
2a) But no, Suse has to go way beyond what's required and actually goes into the source code for Xine and Kaffeine and cripples so that even if you add the missing codecs/libraries, it still will not play.
2b) So what do you do? You have to remove kaffeine, xine, xine-libs ad nauseam and then install apt-get and install those programs from a third-party and hope that it doesn't break anything else. Why is this bad?
Because you no longer get updates for those packages from Suse and because mixing apt and yast sources can often leave your system in an inconsistent state.
All of this is a damn shame, because Suse is an awesome distribution with some stupid, stupid, stupid policies that have no legal or logical basis.
Hopefully, this long response will serve as a permanent rebuttal to all of the Suse fanboys. Liking a distribution should not be tantamount to giving them carte blanche to screw you over.
Summary of facts:
1) Suse ships DVD-playing software whenever the hell it pleases it.
2) Other distributions manage to ship a dvd player for $69, yet Suse costs $85-99 or more.
3) Suse cripples standard libraries and thus has disqualified itself from the home market. I will not touch it for these reasons and I have stopped recommending it to friends and clients.
Re:The fourth package's removal reason? (Score:2, Informative)
Do you know what these license violations were? The links to the packages are all broken, presumably because the packages have been removed.
Yes, the reasons are listed here at the very bottom: http://people.debian.org/~joey/3.0r5/ [debian.org]
Re:Excuse me? (Score:3, Informative)
> DVD's. What's more, the Linsoire DVD player is
> Xine. Some how, little Linspire has managed to
> figure out how to legally play MP3's and DVD's.
So? It is exactly as I've said - you need to pay for it. They bought paid licenses for DVD support and distribute closed/propertiary version. And you need to pay for it. So what exactly is your point?
Software everyone can use is better. (Score:5, Informative)
This is part of the reason why I'm anxiously awaiting Dirac and why I'm reading the Theora spec. I want to be able to point to a complete and competitive FLOSS codecs which are genuinely useful for movies.
We also ought to promote the use of these codecs and not be so eager to distribute copies of files encoded with proprietary or patent-encumbered codecs.
Re:OpenOffice 2.0? (Score:1, Informative)
Torrent Available (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Debian (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Multimedia (Score:2, Informative)
I think you mean Sid in disguise.
Re:The other shoe drops. (Score:1, Informative)
So, in a nutshell, I'm still more than happy with Debian just the way it is. A release would be nice though, granted. That way we can move on to things like x.org. The next version of testing is gonna be SWEET!
Re:Excuse me? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:XEN (Score:2, Informative)
Re:OpenOffice 2.0? (Score:4, Informative)
Keep in mind though, you need over 4gb of free disk space just to compile the darn thing. But I'll admit it looks nicer and integrates better into KDE.
Re:Debian (Score:1, Informative)
Debian and Ubuntu are complimentary.
It's not Debian vs Ubuntu, it's Debian AND Ubuntu.
Re:A little more on the multimedia debacle (Score:5, Informative)